Adam Kokesh plans July 4th Gun March on DC w/ loaded guns..

[Texashiker]

No the government was and now you are too. You ARE the government. What you fear is yourself.

It was Samuel Adams who said, the man who rebels in a republic should be put to death.

For the most part I agree with that statement.

However, since the 1980s the government has turned against the people.

The people continue to vote the same two parties into office year after year. If the people are not willing to change they way they vote we will never have real change. If the people are not willing to change the way they vote, all hope is lost.

During the run offs for his first election Bill Clinton ran on a platform against free trade. As soon as he was elected he flip-flopped and signed NAFTA and GATT into law.

Obama promised to close gitmo, Patriot act, NDAA, confiscation of gold by FDR,,,, how much are the people supposed to take?

 

[nextJin]

Tell me why we have the right to keep and bear arms?

I dunno why? Did you answer my question earlier on Texas banning all firearms and if that would be legal for a state to do?

 

[CPA]

Nice post.

We always create what we fear. Fear is the suppression of emotion which causes a state of incomprehension, an agitation with no known cause that causes thought to run wild with crazy associations, there are monsters after our guns. These monsters must be silenced by threat, and that is supplied by the gun. Paranoia is just an unpleasant way of jacking off.

We always create what we fear. Fear is the suppression of emotion which causes a state of incomprehension, an agitation with no known cause that causes thought to run wild with crazy associations, there are monsters after our children. These monsters must be silenced by law, and that is supplied by the politicians. Paranoia is just an unpleasant way of jacking off.

 

[TheVrolok]

Tell me why we have the right to keep and bear arms?

I believe it is to maintain "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state." Not to pull a dangerous (and illegal) political stunt.

 

[Lithium381]

I see what they're trying to accomplish and support the idea of it, but this doesn't sound like a smart way to go about it . . .

 

[Texashiker]

I dunno why? Did you answer my question earlier on Texas banning all firearms and if that would be legal for a state to do?

I did not answer your question because neither of us will be around "if" that ever happens.

You seem to forget Texas was founded by armed citizens. The Goliad massacre is an example of what happens when free men turn over their weapons.

I believe it is to maintain "a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state." Not to pull a dangerous (and illegal) political stunt.

tit-for-tat.

Do you really want to talk about political stunts in the wake of the housing collapse? How about free trade, GM investing billions in china, a record number of people are on welfare and food stamps, do you really want to go back and forth?

Wall street has pulled so many political stunts it is difficult to keep count.

So maybe it is time for the people to pull a stunt.

 

[irishScott]

According the facebook event, over 1500 people have RSVP'd as "going" with another 1500 as "maybe".

I support the intent, but I fail to see how this ends well. If he actually gets 1000 to show up, I foresee a confrontation with DC police at the Virginia border. At that point they can back down, or be arrested wholesale; unless the police grants them a special permit for some reason. And if there's so much as one violent idiot in the bunch...

Yeah I'm as ardent a supporter of the 2nd as they come, but this is too big a risk for too little gain.

On the flip side, if they miraculously pull it off it would send a powerful message.

 

[Vic Vega]

These men really haven't thought this through.

1,000 armed men marching into the capitol is by definition, a gathering of the militia who when organized reports to the CIC. What are they going to do when Mr. Obama gives them a lawful order to be at ease and then to march back to Virginia?

I full support the 2nd amendment and their right to do this, I also support the President's right under the law to command them as the CIC.

 

[Texashiker]

1,000 armed men marching into the capitol is by definition, a gathering of the militia who when organized reports to the CIC. What are they going to do when Mr. Obama gives them a lawful order to be at ease and then to march back to Virginia?

Isn't the militia under the control of the state governor?

 

[nextJin]

These men really haven't thought this through.

1,000 armed men marching into the capitol is by definition, a gathering of the militia who when organized reports to the CIC. What are they going to do when Mr. Obama gives them a lawful order to be at ease and then to march back to Virginia?

I full support the 2nd amendment and their right to do this, I also support the President's right under the law to command them as the CIC.

Not that this is going to happen but do you think he'd walk outside to talk to them?

 

[surfsatwerk]

Not that this is going to happen but do you think he'd walk outside to talk to them?

It'd be Biden's job.

 

[irishScott]

It'd be Biden's job.

"As vice chief commander, I order you to go back to your homes and buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

 

[surfsatwerk]

"As vice chief commander, I order you to go back to your homes and buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

God bless America.

 

[Vic Vega]

Isn't the militia under the control of the state governor?

Washington DC is not in any state, it is Federal land and the President is the CIC in war or peace time on Federal land as I understand it.

 

[HomerJS]

Good for Kokesh. I don't think it's appropriate but he has the right to do this and sends a message to the idiot leftists and gun control idiots.

Is appropriate latin for legal?

 

[berzerker60]

"As vice chief commander, I order you to go back to your homes and buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!"

Yeah, if one thing's for sure in this country, it's that the gun industry is safe. Gun-related tragedy? Gun sales spike! No gun-related tragedy? Pretend there's a serious gun regulation in the works, gun sales spike, nothing actually passes. Repeat every election season forever.

For those who haven't read it, here's a fun article on the heads of the NRA and an imported military weapons company making each other rich:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e1945a-b268-11e2-baf7-5bc2a9dc6f44_story.html

 

[Wreckem]

According the facebook event, over 1500 people have RSVP'd as "going" with another 1500 as "maybe".

I support the intent, but I fail to see how this ends well. If he actually gets 1000 to show up, I foresee a confrontation with DC police at the Virginia border. At that point they can back down, or be arrested wholesale; unless the police grants them a special permit for some reason. And if there's so much as one violent idiot in the bunch...

Yeah I'm as ardent a supporter of the 2nd as they come, but this is too big a risk for too little gain.

On the flip side, if they miraculously pull it off it would send a powerful message.

My guess if they try it one dumb fuck in the group will raise his weapon and it will trigger a bloodbath. Alternatively, I see them not getting to step foot into DC as the roadway they take will be blocked off by police.

 

[Vic Vega]

Not that this is going to happen but do you think he'd walk outside to talk to them?

They would never be allowed to get to the white house (if that were even their destination). Regardless if you believe if they have a legal right to do this or not, they will not be allowed into the capitol in my opinion.

 

[Wreckem]

They would never be allowed to get to the white house (if that were even their destination). Regardless if you believe if they have a legal right to do this or not, they will not be allowed into the capitol in my opinion.

They will be blocked from entering. The question is will an idiot raise his weapon when being blocked.

It is a disaster waiting to happen. If someone in the group raises their gun at the police and the police shoot. Everyone in the group would potentially be charged with felony murder. Well those that will survive the bloodbath that would ensue.

Its a terrible idea, because I see an altercation occurring. I don't see all 1000+ submitting to arrest and having their guns PERMANENTLY confiscated.

 

[Vic Vega]

They will be blocked from entering. The question is will an idiot raise his weapon when being blocked.

It is a disaster waiting to happen. If someone in the group raises their gun at the police and the police shoot. Everyone in the group would potentially be charged with felony murder. Well those that will survive the bloodbath that would ensue.

An idiot on which side? DC Metro police and USPP will be at the bridge. I can see idiots on both sides.

I can see the police acting first.

 

[Wreckem]

An idiot on which side? DC Metro police and USPP will be at the bridge. I can see idiots on both sides.

I can see the police acting first.

I see the police telling them to put down their weapons, get on the ground and put their hands on their heads. I see several gun nuts not complying. From there anything is bound to happen. Technically, if they disobey the order to put their guns down and submit to being arrested the police can legally use force. Any death that occurs, will be felony murder and everyone participating could be charged.

It either never happens or a bloodbath occurs and those surviving will be charged and sentenced under felony murder.

 

[Vic Vega]

I see the police telling them to put down their weapons, get on the ground and put their hands on their heads. I see the gun nuts not complying. From there anything is bound to happen. Technically, if they disobey the order to put their guns down, the police can use force.

The police cannot legally make that order, especially on the Virginia side of the bridge and the protesters will have no obligation to obey it if they do not enter the district. If the police attempt to force compliance on an illegal order to a group of 1,000 men with rifles I expect the men with rifles will not comply.

I can see the police shooting first. I can also see a protester shooting first.

 

[Wreckem]

The police cannot legally make that order, especially on the Virginia side of the bridge and the protesters will have no obligation to obey it if they do not enter the district. If the police attempt to force compliance on an illegal order to a group of 1,000 men with rifles I expect the men with rifles will not comply.

I can see the police shooting first. I can also see a protester shooting first.

I don't foresee the barricade being on the Virginia side of the bridge. I see it as being inside the DC side. And once the people reach the DC side the police can make the order as, everyone has committed a felony by stepping into DC while open carrying.

The moment the marchers step foot into DC territory, they have committed a crime and the cops can and will tell them to drop their weapons, get on the ground, and put their hands on their heads. If they disobey that order in DC territory, the DC police COULD LAWFULLY USE FORCE to disarm them.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

This is just a stupid stunt that has so much potential for a horrible outcome.

 

[Vic Vega]

I don't foresee the barricade being on the Virginia side of the bridge. I see it as being on the DC side. And once on the DC side they can make the order as, everyone has committed a felony by stepping into DC.

I am not sure if they have or not, it depends on how the law is applied. DC gun laws are written for individuals, and the laws for those individuals have recently been challenged and defeated though are so far unchanged to my knowledge.

What is definite is the police's authority in the district so any orders they give must be for actions taken in the district.