Discussion Ada/'Lovelace'? Next gen Nvidia gaming architecture speculation

[igor_kavinski]

Got many years of life there.

Wait until someone at AMD has the bright idea of creating their own games studio to showcase their graphics technology, the way it's meant to be used. That would be the beginning of a new era. Then you have a AAA game or two at the beginning of each generation that runs barely on the competitor's hardware but really pushes their own card to its limits, highlighting all its strengths and minimizing the use of features that it's poor at.

 

[Heartbreaker]

And who said your 4070 will suddenly become useless?

I said I'm going to enjoy it for many years, and you said 12GB meant I wouldn't...

Which is absurd.

Who are you to dictate what I enjoy? The happiness police? "Hey, it's 2026, you aren't allowed to enjoy a 12GB card anymore."

 

[igor_kavinski]

^^^

Typical customer of THE company defending their purchase.

 

[psolord]

I said I'm going to enjoy it for many years, and you said 12GB meant I wouldn't...

Which is absurd.

Who are you to dictate what I enjoy? The happiness police? "Hey, it's 2026, you aren't allowed to enjoy a 12GB card anymore."

There is an abundant "quit having fun with your nvidia card" mentality in these forums.

 

[blckgrffn]

There is an abundant "quit having fun with your nvidia card" mentality in these forums.

No, no, no. We are all supposed to be here typing away. Games are to be run for benchmarks only. No fun FOR ANYONE Is allowed!

 

[Heartbreaker]

It's like Car Forums, where the main pastime is Bench Racing.

100+ Hours gaming on my new GPU since it arrived in Late November.

I'll let everyone get back to their regular bench racing sessions...

 

[igor_kavinski]

There is an abundant "quit having fun with your nvidia card" mentality in these forums.

If reducing the graphical settings with each passing year, more than you would need with a higher VRAM card, then please continue having fun

 

[dr1337]

There is an abundant "quit having fun with your nvidia card" mentality in these forums.

And yet look at the people that got upset when everyone thought AMD blocked DLSS from Starfield... Pointing out blatant price gouging and the bad value of certain Nvidia cards is not the same thing as saying don't have fun.

It seems like, a lot of people on these forums say things they don't mean. Just why they would give an evil company their money if they're so concerned with ethics in the tech biz? We as consumers can only vote with our wallet after all.

I said I'm going to enjoy it for many years, and you said 12GB meant I wouldn't...


Who are you to dictate what I enjoy?

No they quite clearly explained their point that you will "enjoy" the card but you might have to turn settings down for new games by the time 2029 comes around. They even sympathized with your purchase, saying there weren't better options, so I really have no idea why yall are making these weird assumptions.

Is your GPU not fun to you if other people think it wasn't a good value? lol?

 

[Heartbreaker]

And yet look at the people that got upset when everyone thought AMD blocked DLSS from Starfield... Pointing out blatant price gouging and the bad value of certain Nvidia cards is not the same thing as saying don't have fun.

It seems like, a lot of people on these forums say things they don't mean. Just why they would give an evil company their money if they're so concerned with ethics in the tech biz? We as consumers can only vote with our wallet after all.


No they quite clearly explained their point that you will "enjoy" the card but you might have to turn settings down for new games by the time 2029 comes around. They even sympathized with your purchase, saying there weren't better options, so I really have no idea why yall are making these weird assumptions.

Is your GPU not fun to you if other people think it wasn't a good value? lol?

There was no explanation, just an attempt to dump on my statement that I was going to enjoy it:

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[poke01]

AMD might have outright blocked DLSS but they sure put a time limit of when DLSS can be offered. It’s an AMD sponsed game, so only FSR was allowed at first.

 

[Ranulf]

AMD might have outright blocked DLSS but they sure put a time limit of when DLSS can be offered. It’s an AMD sponsed game, so only FSR was allowed at first.

If true, I'm not sure how nvidia fans can claim to care given the industry's past deals with exclusives. They don't care when its not their ox getting gored. They just call everyone else cheap and tell them to buy an rtx card.

 

[poke01]

If true, I'm not sure how nvidia fans can claim to care given the industry's past deals with exclusives. They don't care when its not their ox getting gored. They just call everyone else cheap and tell them to buy an rtx card.

A few people online does not represent the whole Nvidia RTX user base, but when you don’t offer DLSS because it’s an AMD sponsored game people are bound to get annoyed especially when FSR and it’s related tech is inferior to Nvidia.

So it’s not even Nvidia fans I saw getting mad but people who have Nvidia cards but can’t use DLSS because AMD payed for it. If FSR was better than DLSS I would attribute the complaints as foolish but it’s not is it?

The only reason why AMD does these sorts of these things is because they don’t want comparisons between FSR and DLSS in their sponsored games. It’s clearly anti-consumer and lately I seen more AMD sponsored games implementing this tactic than Nvidia sponsored ones.

Hopefully this year they will include both at launch from either side and if not at least FSR can modded into a game if DLSS is available.

 

[Thunder 57]

A few people online does not represent the whole Nvidia RTX user base, but when you don’t offer DLSS because it’s an AMD sponsored game people are bound to get annoyed especially when FSR and it’s related tech is inferior to Nvidia.

So it’s not even Nvidia fans I saw getting mad but people who have Nvidia cards but can’t use DLSS because AMD payed for it. If FSR was better than DLSS I would attribute the complaints as foolish but it’s not is it?

The only reason why AMD does these sorts of these things is because they don’t want comparisons between FSR and DLSS in their sponsored games. It’s clearly anti-consumer and lately I seen more AMD sponsored games implementing this tactic than Nvidia sponsored ones.

Hopefully this year they will include both at launch from either side and if not at least FSR can modded into a game if DLSS is available.

You must be joking. Anti-consumer is locking down DLSS, G-Sync, PhysX, etc. PhysX became irrelevant. AMD beat G-Sync with Freesync. I have no doubt AMD or Intel will win with FSR/XeSS. You've clearly drinken the Nvidia Cool Aid. I'd love to tell you what I really think of your "opinion", but I'd rather not get a vacation.

 

[Saylick]

You must be joking. Anti-consumer is locking down DLSS, G-Sync, PhysX, etc. PhysX became irrelevant. AMD beat G-Sync with Freesync. I have no doubt AMD or Intel will win with FSR/XeSS. You've clearly drinken the Nvidia Cool Aid. I'd love to tell you what I really think of your "opinion", but I'd rather not get a vacation.

Speaking of G-sync... Yay for more proprietary features!

Nvidia’s G-Sync Pulsar is anti-blur monitor tech aimed squarely at your eyeball

Branded monitors can sync pixels to backlighting, refresh rate, and GPU frames.

arstechnica.com

 

[poke01]

You must be joking. Anti-consumer is locking down DLSS, G-Sync, PhysX, etc. PhysX became irrelevant. AMD beat G-Sync with Freesync. I have no doubt AMD or Intel will win with FSR/XeSS. You've clearly drinken the Nvidia Cool Aid. I'd love to tell you what I really think of your "opinion", but I'd rather not get a vacation.

You know what please do tell what you think. I bring up a fault in AMD's marketing of FSR and you bubble up a whataboutism on me. I don't see how those are relevant and I do belive that those Nvidia tech features are better than AMDs and is better in esports titles.

There is nothing anti-consumer about having proprietary technology but kneecapping a game to promote a FSR is silly. Its the consumers choice to buy or not to buy it. With a game, say Forspoken you can't use DLSS at launch because of the sponsership. See the difference.

 

[poke01]

Speaking of G-sync... Yay for more proprietary features!

Nvidia’s G-Sync Pulsar is anti-blur monitor tech aimed squarely at your eyeball

Branded monitors can sync pixels to backlighting, refresh rate, and GPU frames.

arstechnica.com

AMD will surely follow with a free version cause thats all they do with GPU features Copy Nvidia.

 

[blckgrffn]

Oh dear. There is a reason I skipped that thread. Please, keep that there, where it’s on topic.

 

[blckgrffn]

Speaking of G-sync... Yay for more proprietary features!

Nvidia’s G-Sync Pulsar is anti-blur monitor tech aimed squarely at your eyeball

Branded monitors can sync pixels to backlighting, refresh rate, and GPU frames.

arstechnica.com

Requires monitor side hardware and their “proof” images are laughable. It’s a bad sign when the comment thread on Ars leans in to rip Nvidia too. It seems doomed for the same fate their prior monitor hardware was relegated to. Hopefully the best bits will be pulled into an Adaptive Sync industry standard.

 

[Kepler_L2]

Speaking of G-sync... Yay for more proprietary features!

Nvidia’s G-Sync Pulsar is anti-blur monitor tech aimed squarely at your eyeball

Branded monitors can sync pixels to backlighting, refresh rate, and GPU frames.

arstechnica.com

I like how every single monitor advertisement always looks the same. Doesn't matter if it's 60Hz vs 144Hz, 144Hz vs 240Hz, S&H vs Strobing, it always looks the same

 

[Heartbreaker]

Requires monitor side hardware and their “proof” images are laughable. It’s a bad sign when the comment thread on Ars leans in to rip Nvidia too. It seems doomed for the same fate their prior monitor hardware was relegated to. Hopefully the best bits will be pulled into an Adaptive Sync industry standard.

Not sure what that complaint is about. Of course it requires monitor side HW. It IS Monitor side HW technology.

It's essentially an update on ULMB 2 they released a couple of months ago, and was positively reviewed everywhere I looked. It's essentially among the best tuned backlight strobing systems on the market:

This guy is a pretty hardcore esports gamer and probably the target audience. He has all the the fastest clearest monitors and it was the best of the bunch:

AFAICT Pulsar is just expanding ULMB 2 to work on Variable refresh.

 

[blckgrffn]

Not sure what that complaint is about. Of course it requires monitor side HW. It IS Monitor side HW technology.

It's essentially an update on ULMB 2 they released a couple of months ago, and was positively reviewed everywhere I looked. It's essentially among the best tuned backlight strobing systems on the market:

This guy is a pretty hardcore esports gamer and probably the target audience. He has all the the fastest clearest monitors and it was the best of the bunch:

AFAICT Pulsar is just expanding ULMB 2 to work on Variable refresh.

Requires Nvidia monitor side hardware. That’s the information I read. That’s why I believe it will be just as niche as previous gsync. Monitor OEMs are not likely to be interested to give Nvidia a cut of anything that ships in volume.

If/when VESA makes it part of one of their standards then we’ll see it really take off. Personally I think when we are seeing 480hz monitors we are jumping the shark a bit but oh well. Numbers must go up?

But yes, monitors are hardware and it’s part of a monitor, that’s indisputable. I am not sure if you are being intentionally obtuse with me or what, or why.

I guess gsync v2 might be worthy of its own thread.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Requires Nvidia monitor side hardware. That’s the information I read. That’s why I believe it will be just as niche as previous gsync. Monitor OEMs are not likely to be interested to give Nvidia a cut of anything that ships in volume.

At least with respect to ULMB 2, This isn't so much about standards as it is about high quality implementation of a monitor feature. Plenty of monitors have backlight strobing, but most of the implementations are weak.

Any backlight strobing requires someone's HW. NVidia just provides better than average tuning.

 

[Saylick]

Requires Nvidia monitor side hardware. That’s the information I read. That’s why I believe it will be just as niche as previous gsync. Monitor OEMs are not likely to be interested to give Nvidia a cut of anything that ships in volume.

If/when VESA makes it part of one of their standards then we’ll see it really take off. Personally I think when we are seeing 480hz monitors we are jumping the shark a bit but oh well. Numbers must go up?

Might as well market something that would go well with DLSS 3 Frame Gen. What's the point of higher frame rates if you don't have a monitor that can deliver those frame rates?

 

[Saylick]

AMD will surely follow with a free version cause thats all they do with GPU features Copy Nvidia.

And I'm sure the masses will cheer for it if VESA adopts a free version of this feature.

 

[beginner99]

What's the consensus and the super models?

I think it' snot bad. 4080 Super is mostly a price-cut, the 4070 TI add the dire needed extra RAM, and the 4070 super gets the biggest performance uplift.

But yeah ultimately local pricing will determine success for me or not.