Acura prices TSX from $26,490

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Also, what colour is the sky in a world where 200 hp is "underpowered"?

200hp is "underpowered" when the whp ends up being 150fwhp. Honda loves to overrate its hp numbers, especially lately. Add on top of that their torqueless natures (relatively speaking), bloated weight, and you got a recipe for "underpowered".

For example, the 200hp+ Eclipse GT-S is "underpowered" because it's a bloated POS and hp ratings are inflated. RSX TypeS? Only ~155hp fwhp. For <26k you can get a WRX which will blow the pants off the TSX in the performance dept.

lol- just another DSM'er myth. Honda "overrates" their hp numbers?
You should take a flywheel to wheel calculator and figure out how much HP is lost in the process of getting power through the transmission to the wheels. Check out stock dynos of wheel hp, plug it in the equation. Honda has never been known to overrate their HP numbers.

Don't try to mislead people by telling them- oh honda doesnt use whp, they underrate.. NOBODY does.
The WRX, not a bad car, i like it. But it lacks the luxury and refinement of the RSX-S. the WRX does have a leg up on the TSX but the WRX is a VERY fast car. You're never going to see a TSX on a rally course, that's not what it's meant for..

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: bigsmooth

Originally posted by: rbloedow I think that the TSX is a sexy car - I would drive it if I had the money.

Really? Having seen and sat in this car in person, I can't think of anything about it that I found "sexy". As others have said, there are too many nice alternatives. The pricing is OK and the car is OK, but there is a high level of competition around this price point.

Yea, but I'd buy it just to be different

that was like the guy who traded in his WS6 to get an RSX... you know how many honda/acura kneepad boys will be driving these things after 1 year?

Uh, probably not many, considering the car is still going to be fairly expensive.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Justorq
I can't agree with you guys ... the TSX is a nice car (i saw it personally) apparently it competes pretty well with other cars of its category:

Acura turns the European Accord into an A4 fighter
TSX Road Test

There are a lot of european reviews that say that it's as good if not better than it's german rivals and that's with a smaller engine... (UK TV show "Top Gear", Auto Bild and Spanish magazine Coche Actual, Autopista and Motor 16 (all reputable)).

You cannot judge a car before you drive it ...
get it ... !!
you can judge the looks but you cannot judge the performance ... and one review is certainly not enough to say that this car either sux or is good ...
I hated the looks of the G35, but when I drove it .. man this car rocked ... same for the Accord (sedan and Coupe).

Justin

1) The TSX has the same problem as the S2000. Too little torque = high RPM shifting and bogging down if you're not gassin' it all the time
2) The 1.8T Quattro has AWD + torque and power early in the rev band
3) The TSX is overpriced in this segment
4) European tastes/opinions DO NOT equal American tastes

1. Have you ever actually driven a TSX? No. The transmission on this car, the good amount of power from the K-series (Even in the lowend thanks to ivtec), and the new throttle cable system make this car not subject to what you're talking aobut
2. the 1.8T is significantly slower, and the turbo screws with the transmission..this is a known problem on the 1.8T autos
3. You get what you pay for, it's priced that way because it's a great car and people are willing to pay that much for it.
4. How can you speak for 240 million people? We have a lot of different types of people here and believe it or not, everybody isn't looking for a big ass boat that handles like poo. Some would prefer a sexy, refined, sporty small sedan.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

I think what people should realize here is that the opinions presented on any car is the opinion of the person who's presenting it. It doesn't represent the general populace.

When I give my opinion of something, its about HOW I feel of it, and NOT how the American consumers feel about it.

I could care less about what hte population thinks about it cause they are't going to sway me from buying or not buying a car.

that said, I think the TSX is a great car and it does have its own niche in the FWD-sport segment. The 4-cyl just adds that much more excitement to the car. It isn't about low-end grunt, but hi-rpm fun as the engine sings its song as the car carves through corners.

Wats hte weight of the TSX? If its under 3200lbs it'll be great! If its over, then I see some slowness present.

And I don't think the A4 offers the same type of driving excitement as a TSX. I don't even think of hte new A4 as a sport sedan, its more of a luxorious cruiser.

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Also, what colour is the sky in a world where 200 hp is "underpowered"?

200hp is "underpowered" when the whp ends up being 150fwhp. Honda loves to overrate its hp numbers, especially lately. Add on top of that their torqueless natures (relatively speaking), bloated weight, and you got a recipe for "underpowered".

For example, the 200hp+ Eclipse GT-S is "underpowered" because it's a bloated POS and hp ratings are inflated. RSX TypeS? Only ~155hp fwhp. For <26k you can get a WRX which will blow the pants off the TSX in the performance dept.

lol- just another DSM'er myth. Honda "overrates" their hp numbers?
You should take a flywheel to wheel calculator and figure out how much HP is lost in the process of getting power through the transmission to the wheels. Check out stock dynos of wheel hp, plug it in the equation. Honda has never been known to overrate their HP numbers.

Don't try to mislead people by telling them- oh honda doesnt use whp, they underrate.. NOBODY does.
The WRX, not a bad car, i like it. But it lacks the luxury and refinement of the RSX-S. the WRX does have a leg up on the TSX but the WRX is a VERY fast car. You're never going to see a TSX on a rally course, that's not what it's meant for..

Actually off hand I can think of one car that did get WHP at ~ the rated HP... FBodys but thats cause they underrated them as to not compete with the corvette... so dont say nobody.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Dulanic

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: KokomoGST

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Also, what colour is the sky in a world where 200 hp is "underpowered"?

200hp is "underpowered" when the whp ends up being 150fwhp. Honda loves to overrate its hp numbers, especially lately. Add on top of that their torqueless natures (relatively speaking), bloated weight, and you got a recipe for "underpowered".

For example, the 200hp+ Eclipse GT-S is "underpowered" because it's a bloated POS and hp ratings are inflated. RSX TypeS? Only ~155hp fwhp. For <26k you can get a WRX which will blow the pants off the TSX in the performance dept.

lol- just another DSM'er myth. Honda "overrates" their hp numbers?
You should take a flywheel to wheel calculator and figure out how much HP is lost in the process of getting power through the transmission to the wheels. Check out stock dynos of wheel hp, plug it in the equation. Honda has never been known to overrate their HP numbers.

Don't try to mislead people by telling them- oh honda doesnt use whp, they underrate.. NOBODY does.
The WRX, not a bad car, i like it. But it lacks the luxury and refinement of the RSX-S. the WRX does have a leg up on the TSX but the WRX is a VERY fast car. You're never going to see a TSX on a rally course, that's not what it's meant for..

Actually off hand I can think of one car that did get WHP at ~ the rated HP... FBodys but thats cause they underrated them as to not compete with the corvette... so dont say nobody.

fbods are an exception. Basically GM mis-represents their HP numbers- I don't have a problem with that I guess I mean you're getting more for your buck..but in all fairness nobody rates hp by whp. the industry standard is flywheel-hp.

 

[LittleWolf]

TSX is a bland Euro Accord. It was beaten by the cheaper Mazda 6 in almost every dept except interior trim quality in a recent Euro comparo. For interiors, the 7 year old Passat was benchmarked by Acura and the TSX still falls a bit short. TSX is good buy for somebody who wants a bland reliable middle-of-road 4-banger.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: LittleWolf
TSX is a bland Euro Accord. It was beaten by the cheaper Mazda 6 in almost every dept except interior trim quality in a recent Euro comparo. For interiors, the 7 year old Passat was benchmarked by Acura and the TSX still falls a bit short. TSX is good buy for somebody who wants a bland reliable middle-of-road 4-banger.

Got a link to back that u-p?

 

[LittleWolf]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: LittleWolf
TSX is a bland Euro Accord. It was beaten by the cheaper Mazda 6 in almost every dept except interior trim quality in a recent Euro comparo. For interiors, the 7 year old Passat was benchmarked by Acura and the TSX still falls a bit short. TSX is good buy for somebody who wants a bland reliable middle-of-road 4-banger.

Got a link to back that u-p?

I read the Mazda 6 beating the TSX in an issue of a mag at my local Borders... I am not sure which one but it was CAR or Top Gear. It was in the past 3-4 months issues. And about TSX benchmarking Passat, just do a search on autoweek or any site and you will find it.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: LittleWolf
TSX is a bland Euro Accord. It was beaten by the cheaper Mazda 6 in almost every dept except interior trim quality in a recent Euro comparo. For interiors, the 7 year old Passat was benchmarked by Acura and the TSX still falls a bit short. TSX is good buy for somebody who wants a bland reliable middle-of-road 4-banger.

oh please, your precious bmws and audis/spit polished VWs don't come with leather, sunroof and hids standard. Plus the TSX puts out more power than the 325i and the anemic 1.8Ts.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: ElFenix
mazda 6 > acura tsx

the maza 6i is a great looking car, a nice car no doubt.
But you're telling me that Mazda/Ford is even comparable to Honda/Acura as far as reliability? No way!

if you treat both cars like sh!t neither is going to last, if you treat them well they will.
mazda 626 reliability
honda accord reliability
i think the charts speak for themselves.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

I'm kind of curious how you know the TSX is a crap car considering they just came out. Have you even sat in one yet?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

I'm kind of curious how you know the TSX is a crap car considering they just came out. Have you even sat in one yet?

where did i say it was crap? did i say that? no, i don't think so. please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

i was talking about the plasticky leather that honda/acura uses. unless they changed the grade of leather that honda/acura uses just for this car then my statement remains true. go sit in a new TL and then a new 3 series and you'll see what i'm talking about. oh, and my old roommate says the leather in his CL isn't holding up as well as the leather in his old thunderbird did.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

I'm kind of curious how you know the TSX is a crap car considering they just came out. Have you even sat in one yet?

where did i say it was crap? did i say that? no, i don't think so. please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

i was talking about the plasticky leather that honda/acura uses. unless they changed the grade of leather that honda/acura uses just for this car then my statement remains true.

Apparently the TSX has better grade of interior materials & quality than a VW, and this was from a VW owner on forums.vwvortex.com who test drove the car.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

I'm kind of curious how you know the TSX is a crap car considering they just came out. Have you even sat in one yet?

where did i say it was crap? did i say that? no, i don't think so. please don't put words in my mouth, thanks.

i was talking about the plasticky leather that honda/acura uses. unless they changed the grade of leather that honda/acura uses just for this car then my statement remains true.

Let me ask you again, have you even SAT in a TSX yet? No? Then shut the hell up.

I've been the dealerships to see your beloved 3 series bmw interiors and its no better than a 2003 accord.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: OS

Let me ask you again, have you even SAT in a TSX yet? No? Then shut the hell up.

I've been the dealerships to see your beloved 3 series bmw interiors and its no better than a 2003 accord.

like i said, unless they've changed the grade of leather from that plasticky sh!t honda/acura uses in the TL/CL their leather is less supple than BMW's vinyl. go ask windogg how nice that vinyl is, i'm pretty sure he got that in his X5. hell, the auto magazines have made fun of the plasitcky leather honda uses before.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS

Let me ask you again, have you even SAT in a TSX yet? No? Then shut the hell up.

I've been the dealerships to see your beloved 3 series bmw interiors and its no better than a 2003 accord.

like i said, unless they've changed the grade of leather from that plasticky sh!t honda/acura uses in the TL/CL their leather is less supple than BMW's vinyl. go ask windogg how nice that vinyl is, i'm pretty sure he got that in his X5. hell, the auto magazines have made fun of the plasitcky leather honda uses before.

Once again, you are failing to make a basic connction here. You have not felt the leather. I have not felt the leather. At one point honda/acura had dealers put leather in, it is now done at the factory. The TSX is a brand new car, maybe they used different leather. The interior is DAMN nice though if you've got a VW fan saying it felt better than a VW.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: OS
I'm kind of curious what the "the TSX is too expensive and underpowered" crowd have to say about the bmw 325i. It has less hp, costs about 2Gs more and doesn't even come with leather standard/sunroof. That's another almost 3K.

perfect balance and a smooth as warm butter engine has its price. plus bmw's vinyl is more supple than honda's leather, so whats the cost to have the honda reupholstered to something of bmw's quality? oh, and you drive torque, which the bmw has a lot more of and a lot lower.

You may be seeking a bland, boring, underpowered motor. Call it "warm as butter" or whatever you want- it lacks the balls of the K-series motor in the TSX.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken into consideration the fact that a manufacturer like BMW can create a car that's really nothing to wet your pants over and get away murdering people for prices on it becasue of the BMW nameplate.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: ElFenix
mazda 6 > acura tsx

the maza 6i is a great looking car, a nice car no doubt.
But you're telling me that Mazda/Ford is even comparable to Honda/Acura as far as reliability? No way!

if you treat both cars like sh!t neither is going to last, if you treat them well they will.
mazda 626 reliability
honda accord reliability
i think the charts speak for themselves.

626 does not = mazda 6
Accord does not = TSX.

If you wanna hear about the TSX's reliability check out the RSX-S, seeing as it is the same motor. Honda has proven the level of quality of work is a benchmark for others, especially a company like Mazda which is JUST STARTING to come out with some nice cars. Is ford, i mean mazda reliable? I Don't know. and neither do you.

 

[LittleWolf]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: ElFenix
Apparently the TSX has better grade of interior materials & quality than a VW, and this was from a VW owner on forums.vwvortex.com who test drove the car.

Uh.. trust me I also read VWVortex regularly and there are lot of people there too who write crap about VWs (even with or without owning VWs) and many of them are Jetta owners. The more profession testers of Euro car mags have rated the interior close to a 7 year old Passat (which was TSX's and for that matter every darn vehicle below 40K's benchmark), not better. :frown:
I would rather prefer the professional tester's evaluation to some disgruntled Joe Blow...

About the folks talking about leather quality, seriously Honda/Acura do entensively use of vinyl in their cars and hence the lower quality/feel compared to genuine leather in other cars. And yes, Honda/Acura leather doesn't quite come close to even those used in VWs or Lexus, forget BMWs, Audi or Mercedes. While I specificially haven't seen/felt a TSX, I expect it to be no different than the cheapo TL or even RL , which I have travelled/driven a good bit in.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

626 does not = mazda 6
Accord does not = TSX.

If you wanna hear about the TSX's reliability check out the RSX-S, seeing as it is the same motor. Honda has proven the level of quality of work is a benchmark for others, especially a company like Mazda which is JUST STARTING to come out with some nice cars. Is ford, i mean mazda reliable? I Don't know. and neither do you.

all i could do is pick historical trends since both cars are completely new. and this historical trend is the SAME. you don't know that the honda, i mean acura, is reliable either.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

You may be seeking a bland, boring, underpowered motor. Call it "warm as butter" or whatever you want- it lacks the balls of the K-series motor in the TSX.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken into consideration the fact that a manufacturer like BMW can create a car that's really nothing to wet your pants over and get away murdering people for prices on it becasue of the BMW nameplate.

you don't get it. you drive TORQUE! not HORSEPOWER! the BMW has MORE TORQUE available at a LOWER RPM! bland, boring, and underpowered MY ASS!

and it was smooth as warm butter, get the damn quote right! jesus christ!

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

You may be seeking a bland, boring, underpowered motor. Call it "warm as butter" or whatever you want- it lacks the balls of the K-series motor in the TSX.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken into consideration the fact that a manufacturer like BMW can create a car that's really nothing to wet your pants over and get away murdering people for prices on it becasue of the BMW nameplate.

you don't get it. you drive TORQUE! not HORSEPOWER! the BMW has MORE TORQUE available at a LOWER RPM! bland, boring, and underpowered MY ASS!

and it was smooth as warm butter, get the damn quote right! jesus christ!

i agree with you on torque, but there is somethign to be said about horsepower in the higher RPMs as it just pushes you back in your seat and the engine is screaming.

two different ways to get power, two different types of buyers, results in more diversity in the marketplace. It would be boring if all the cars only offered one type of driving enjoyment.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Once again, you are failing to make a basic connction here. You have not felt the leather. I have not felt the leather. At one point honda/acura had dealers put leather in, it is now done at the factory. The TSX is a brand new car, maybe they used different leather. The interior is DAMN nice though if you've got a VW fan saying it felt better than a VW.

and you don't get it! i'm not talking about decade old honda leather, i'm talking about new TL and CL leather. are you telling me that the TSX uses better leather than the TL/CL? or that the 2 and 1/2 year old CL my old roommate drives had leather installed by the dealer?