Acura prices TSX from $26,490

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

i agree with you on torque, but there is somethign to be said about horsepower in the higher RPMs as it just pushes you back in your seat and the engine is screaming.

two different ways to get power, two different types of buyers, results in more diversity in the marketplace. It would be boring if all the cars only offered one type of driving enjoyment.

its still torque thats pushing you back in your seat, not horsepower. the push is definitely harder in my car at the peak torque than at the peak horsepower.

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

i agree with you on torque, but there is somethign to be said about horsepower in the higher RPMs as it just pushes you back in your seat and the engine is screaming.

two different ways to get power, two different types of buyers, results in more diversity in the marketplace. It would be boring if all the cars only offered one type of driving enjoyment.

its still torque thats pushing you back in your seat, not horsepower. the push is definitely harder in my car at the peak torque than at the peak horsepower.

yeah and they make torque at a higher RPM. Its like two different animals after a certain RPM. tame and wild.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

You may be seeking a bland, boring, underpowered motor. Call it "warm as butter" or whatever you want- it lacks the balls of the K-series motor in the TSX.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken into consideration the fact that a manufacturer like BMW can create a car that's really nothing to wet your pants over and get away murdering people for prices on it becasue of the BMW nameplate.

you don't get it. you drive TORQUE! not HORSEPOWER! the BMW has MORE TORQUE available at a LOWER RPM! bland, boring, and underpowered MY ASS!

and it was smooth as warm butter, get the damn quote right! jesus christ!

http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/fpte-curve2.swf
both motors make 430 hp.

Before you start spouting stuff off about how HP DOESNT MATTER TQ IS ALL you need to understand the basics of how a motor works and what makes it move. FURTHER MORE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GEAR RATIOS AND HOW TO MAKE ACTUAL USABLE POWER?

So maybe YOU dont get it.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: LittleWolf

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

Originally posted by: ElFenix
Apparently the TSX has better grade of interior materials & quality than a VW, and this was from a VW owner on forums.vwvortex.com who test drove the car.

Uh.. trust me I also read VWVortex regularly and there are lot of people there too who write crap about VWs (even with or without owning VWs) and many of them are Jetta owners. The more profession testers of Euro car mags have rated the interior close to a 7 year old Passat (which was TSX's and for that matter every darn vehicle below 40K's benchmark), not better. :frown:
I would rather prefer the professional tester's evaluation to some disgruntled Joe Blow...

About the folks talking about leather quality, seriously Honda/Acura do entensively use of vinyl in their cars and hence the lower quality/feel compared to genuine leather in other cars. And yes, Honda/Acura leather doesn't quite come close to even those used in VWs or Lexus, forget BMWs, Audi or Mercedes. While I specificially haven't seen/felt a TSX, I expect it to be no different than the cheapo TL or even RL , which I have travelled/driven a good bit in.

Yeah, I wish that Honda/Acura would use some better leather. Let's hope the TSX leather isn't as "cheap."

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

yeah and they make torque at a higher RPM. Its like two different animals after a certain RPM. tame and wild.

since i haven't seen a torque curve for both motors it could very well be that the BMW still makes more torque at the honda's peak.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Yeah, I wish that Honda/Acura would use some better leather. Let's hope the TSX leather isn't as "cheap."

now you admit it! jesus christ why am i even bothering!?!?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/fpte-curve2.swf
both motors make 430 hp.

Before you start spouting stuff off about how HP DOESNT MATTER TQ IS ALL you need to understand the basics of how a motor works and what makes it move. FURTHER MORE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GEAR RATIOS AND HOW TO MAKE ACTUAL USABLE POWER?

So maybe YOU dont get it.

now you're comparing a purpose built dump truck which probably has a very large, very low rpm motor and extremely low gearing to a muscle car. if the bmw and the acura are apples to oranges for drivetrain then what you just linked to is apples and iron ore.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/fpte-curve2.swf
both motors make 430 hp.

Before you start spouting stuff off about how HP DOESNT MATTER TQ IS ALL you need to understand the basics of how a motor works and what makes it move. FURTHER MORE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GEAR RATIOS AND HOW TO MAKE ACTUAL USABLE POWER?

So maybe YOU dont get it.

now you're comparing a purpose built dump truck which probably has a very large, very low rpm motor and extremely low gearing to a muscle car. if the bmw and the acura are apples to oranges for drivetrain then what you just linked to is apples and iron ore.

ohhh i see
teach me more teacher

I thought it was all about the torque. The dump truck is making torque in the thousands. Why isn't it beating the lower tq mustang?

 

[isekii]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

http://static.howstuffworks.com/flash/fpte-curve2.swf
both motors make 430 hp.

Before you start spouting stuff off about how HP DOESNT MATTER TQ IS ALL you need to understand the basics of how a motor works and what makes it move. FURTHER MORE WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GEAR RATIOS AND HOW TO MAKE ACTUAL USABLE POWER?

So maybe YOU dont get it.

now you're comparing a purpose built dump truck which probably has a very large, very low rpm motor and extremely low gearing to a muscle car. if the bmw and the acura are apples to oranges for drivetrain then what you just linked to is apples and iron ore.

ohhh i see
teach me more teacher

I thought it was all about the torque. The dump truck is making torque in the thousands. Why isn't it beating the lower tq mustang?

cuz it weighs a whole lot more

 

[rubenswm]

or it cant rev past 2000 rpm and has a million gears because it cant make any HP past that

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
ohhh i see
teach me more teacher

I thought it was all about the torque. The dump truck is making torque in the thousands. Why isn't it beating the lower tq mustang?

the torque is working, ask the mustang to pull around tons of stuff and see which you'd rather drive. hell, what you linked to is so extreme its a logical fallacy.

 

[rubenswm]

bottom line, just because a car has more TQ doesn't make it faster.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm
bottom line, just because a car has more TQ doesn't make it faster.

who said it makes it faster? did i say that? NO! you don't even know what i posted how can you hope to address it?

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

You may be seeking a bland, boring, underpowered motor. Call it "warm as butter" or whatever you want- it lacks the balls of the K-series motor in the TSX.
I'm not sure if you've ever taken into consideration the fact that a manufacturer like BMW can create a car that's really nothing to wet your pants over and get away murdering people for prices on it becasue of the BMW nameplate.

you don't get it. you drive TORQUE! not HORSEPOWER! the BMW has MORE TORQUE available at a LOWER RPM! bland, boring, and underpowered MY ASS!

and it was smooth as warm butter, get the damn quote right! jesus christ!

but i thought you said you "drive torque"
why would you mention torque if it had nothing to do with speed?

 

[mAdD INDIAN]

oh since we got into a whole torque vs horsepower debate, I might as well add my 0.02 dollars.

for hte dump truck comparo, you can have all the torque in the world, but it if isn't spread out over the powerband and you don't have the right gear ratios, you are gonna be slow.

Also the engine in the TSX makes torque. I don't know if you have ever seen a dyno of a S2000, but it has two platueas(sp?) of torque. One from 2k RPM to around 6k RPM, and then it shifts up from 6K to redline. Both times the torque curve is relatively flat, and there are two levels of it. One being significantly higher than the other. The TSX will probably have a similar dyno.

Fact of the matter is, that the S2000 has more than enough torque for its light weight. TSX hopefully wil lbe the same. Remember that Honda excels are power delivery. They can make a car with relatively less power FEEL fast. And feeling fast is all that matters, not the actual fastness. Cause a LS430 is probably faster than a Civic SI, but hte SI sure feels more faster.

And if your torque isnt' spread out well and you dont' ahve the right gear ratios, all the torque in teh world won't help you. Not saying the BMW is bad in this aspect, cause it isn't. It pretty much has all these things down pat.

But I wouldn't buy a 325i over a TSX, becasue the increase in price to get a similarily equipped BMW isn't worth the increased smoothness of the I6 or hte increased handling characterstic or the supposed increased interior quality feel.

 

[Justorq]

people STOP !!!
wow man !!!
The TSX employs the same leather found in the Accord Coupe ( the new one ).
I personally love their new leather and i do agree that the leather in the TL is of bad quality.

Justin

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

but i thought you said you "drive torque"
why would you mention torque if it had nothing to do with speed?

it has to do with your acceleration (as do gear ratios and weight, duh). which is what you do most of the day while in traffic and on city streets. it also has to do with your gas mileage on the highway (as do gear ratios and drag, duh).

do you drive your car around at its top speed all day? i think not.

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

but i thought you said you "drive torque"
why would you mention torque if it had nothing to do with speed?

it has to do with your acceleration (as do gear ratios and weight, duh). which is what you do most of the day while in traffic and on city streets. it also has to do with your gas mileage on the highway (as do gear ratios and drag, duh).

do you drive your car around at its top speed all day? i think not.

When you are trying to accelerate quickly, you want to try to keep the engine close to its maximum horsepower point on the curve
I don't see anything in the upper sentence about torque.

 

[isekii]

TORQUE

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: isekii
TORQUE

the purpose of torque is to overcome drag.

 

[Davegod75]

Originally posted by: mdXtreme3d

Originally posted by: NFS4
Let's see. What would I rather have?? Audi A4 1.8T Quattro or TSX?? Yeah, that's a tough one

damn straight...I have a friend who is looking at the Mazda6 / TSX / Accord, and I keep telling him to at least look at the A4 1.8T. Though if I had to pick between those 3, it would be the accord b/c the interior on the 6 is hideous.

This wouldn't be me would it?

I think a 6 is out of the question for me now after looking at the interiors of the tsx and accord

 

[rubenswm]

Originally posted by: Davegod75

Originally posted by: mdXtreme3d

Originally posted by: NFS4
Let's see. What would I rather have?? Audi A4 1.8T Quattro or TSX?? Yeah, that's a tough one

damn straight...I have a friend who is looking at the Mazda6 / TSX / Accord, and I keep telling him to at least look at the A4 1.8T. Though if I had to pick between those 3, it would be the accord b/c the interior on the 6 is hideous.

This wouldn't be me would it?

I think a 6 is out of the question for me now after looking at the interiors of the tsx and accord

Yeah the new interiors look nice
My shift is getting over here at work. it's been fun posting see you guys later.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: ElFenix

it has to do with your acceleration (as do gear ratios and weight, duh). which is what you do most of the day while in traffic and on city streets. it also has to do with your gas mileage on the highway (as do gear ratios and drag, duh).

do you drive your car around at its top speed all day? i think not.

When you are trying to accelerate quickly, you want to try to keep the engine close to its maximum horsepower point on the curve
I don't see anything in the upper sentence about torque.

f=ma

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: rubenswm

Originally posted by: ElFenix

it has to do with your acceleration (as do gear ratios and weight, duh). which is what you do most of the day while in traffic and on city streets. it also has to do with your gas mileage on the highway (as do gear ratios and drag, duh).

do you drive your car around at its top speed all day? i think not.

When you are trying to accelerate quickly, you want to try to keep the engine close to its maximum horsepower point on the curve
I don't see anything in the upper sentence about torque.

f=ma

That force is wheel torque, not engine torque.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: ElFenix
f=ma

That force is wheel torque, not engine torque.

which gets all screwed up through the transmission anyway