Actor Charlie Sheen Questions Official 9/11 Story

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Sphexi

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: hemiram
Originally posted by: morkinva
Haha I thought it was funny also when they called him 'credible'. Heidy Fleiss would be proud.

But the fact remains that what he's saying is BIG. He's not just raggin on Iraq policy, he's saying some serious sh!t. And he's a big star. Why is there no mass media coverage of this?

the interview


edit>> could've sworn I posted this in the correct forum, my bad.

There's no mass media coverage of it because it's KOOKERY! Thousands and thousands of real experts, all over the world have no problems with the "official" version of what happened, and people who believe in the "demolition" nonsense have to drag out a few fringe people who see things that arent there, have theories that make no sense, like thermite, or who think that steel is magic and can't fail, even after a jetliner slams into the building at 500+ MPH and sets off a huge fire.

The videos show nothing, ZERO that indicates any of the buildings were imploded. NOTHING. A whole lot of people saw the plane slam into the pentagon.

It's like a religion with some of you people! No matter how kooky it is, you will dance around and try to make it fit your wished for scenario. Some of the kookpages are hilarious though, I have to admit.


I guess you're either ignorant, or blind:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 3 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + smoke rising from the streets)


Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848


CNN coverage: http://www.stoplying.ca/media/showbiz1.wmv

MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7's collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

What do you think it would sound like when the inside of the building fails? one of the floor colliding with one of the other floors might sound like a BOOM or EXPLOSION.

You have issues.


Yeah, that confirms it. You really are blind.... or just in denial :) Many explosions occurred BEFORE the towers started collapsing. You should really watch the videos above...here are a few more:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide......igh_quality.wmv

Have you ever watched a large building fall down? It isn't a quick process, all of the weight tends to make things pop for up to a minute or two before it actually happens. There was a large fire in the building, sections of floors probably collapsed before the actual building did, things like that. Just because 12 seconds before the whole thing fell down there was what sounded like mini explosions, does not mean something sinister was going on.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Sphexi
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: hemiram
Originally posted by: morkinva
Haha I thought it was funny also when they called him 'credible'. Heidy Fleiss would be proud.

But the fact remains that what he's saying is BIG. He's not just raggin on Iraq policy, he's saying some serious sh!t. And he's a big star. Why is there no mass media coverage of this?

the interview


edit>> could've sworn I posted this in the correct forum, my bad.

There's no mass media coverage of it because it's KOOKERY! Thousands and thousands of real experts, all over the world have no problems with the "official" version of what happened, and people who believe in the "demolition" nonsense have to drag out a few fringe people who see things that arent there, have theories that make no sense, like thermite, or who think that steel is magic and can't fail, even after a jetliner slams into the building at 500+ MPH and sets off a huge fire.

The videos show nothing, ZERO that indicates any of the buildings were imploded. NOTHING. A whole lot of people saw the plane slam into the pentagon.

It's like a religion with some of you people! No matter how kooky it is, you will dance around and try to make it fit your wished for scenario. Some of the kookpages are hilarious though, I have to admit.


I guess you're either ignorant, or blind:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 3 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + smoke rising from the streets)


Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848


CNN coverage: http://www.stoplying.ca/media/showbiz1.wmv

MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7's collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

What do you think it would sound like when the inside of the building fails? one of the floor colliding with one of the other floors might sound like a BOOM or EXPLOSION.

You have issues.


Yeah, that confirms it. You really are blind.... or just in denial :) Many explosions occurred BEFORE the towers started collapsing. You should really watch the videos above...here are a few more:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide......igh_quality.wmv

Have you ever watched a large building fall down? It isn't a quick process, all of the weight tends to make things pop for up to a minute or two before it actually happens. There was a large fire in the building, sections of floors probably collapsed before the actual building did, things like that. Just because 12 seconds before the whole thing fell down there was what sounded like mini explosions, does not mean something sinister was going on.


Uh huh...let's just completely ignore the reports of secondary devices being reported by the FBI, NYPD, NYFD, and all of the other secondary explosions on the lower levels / basements that pushed the witnesses upwards (google william rodriguez 9/11), and overturned cars :)

Let's also ignore the orange / red colored demolition flashes on the lower levels seconds before the towers begain collapsing (as reported by numerous firefighters and other witnesses).
 

morkinva

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Sorry, I don't believe that a perfectly intact structure (below the collapse zone), consisting of big outer columns and 47 HUGE inner columns can collapse like a falling bundle of sticks, at a rate of... OVER 8 FLOORS PER SECOND

NIST analyses to the point of collapse initiation. It then states that a local collapse automatically means that a total global disproportionate collapse is inevitable, when this has NEVER been observed in any steel structure before or since. Yet on that day 3 buildings succumb to this new phenomenon. SHENS !

You cannot smash to smithereens these 8-1/2 floors of building without an additional source of power. To believe otherwise indicates to me you've been thoroughly hypnotized by the propoganda.

As a followup, the same show SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on CNN Headline News, had Alex Jones, the man who interviewed Sheen. Jones hit a friggin' homerun.

Were on the march, the empire's on the run!

 

Jmman

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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Charlie Sheen a prominent "credible" whistleblower?

More like a prominent credible coke blower known for dating Ginger Lynn, a different kind of "whistleblower". :laugh:

This crap needs to be moved to P&N. It's been beaten to death already in several threads.


Bingo. This thread reminds me of something else. Elvis is alive. I saw him yesterday at Sonic. I guess that makes me a credible "whistleblower" too......:roll:
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Charlie Sheen a prominent "credible" whistleblower?

More like a prominent credible coke blower known for dating Ginger Lynn, a different kind of "whistleblower". :laugh:

This crap needs to be moved to P&N. It's been beaten to death already in several threads.


Bingo. This thread reminds me of something else. Elvis is alive. I saw him yesterday at Sonic. I guess that makes me a credible "whistleblower" too......:roll:


Sounds like you're choosing to remain ignorant on the subject matter.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Sorry, I don't believe that a perfectly intact structure (below the collapse zone), consisting of big outer columns and 47 HUGE inner columns can collapse like a falling bundle of sticks, at a rate of... OVER 8 FLOORS PER SECOND

NIST analyses to the point of collapse initiation. It then states that a local collapse automatically means that a total global disproportionate collapse is inevitable, when this has NEVER been observed in any steel structure before or since. Yet on that day 3 buildings succumb to this new phenomenon. SHENS !

You cannot smash to smithereens these 8-1/2 floors of building without an additional source of power. To believe otherwise indicates to me you've been thoroughly hypnotized by the propoganda.

As a followup, the same show SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on CNN Headline News, had Alex Jones, the man who interviewed Sheen. Jones hit a friggin' homerun.

Were on the march, the empire's on the run!

are you from another planet?

i suppose you're an engineer and you can backup the claims you've made about buildings with certain structure types not collapsing? because i've heard real engineers explain how it COULD and DID happen.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: morkinva
Sorry, I don't believe that a perfectly intact structure (below the collapse zone), consisting of big outer columns and 47 HUGE inner columns can collapse like a falling bundle of sticks, at a rate of... OVER 8 FLOORS PER SECOND

NIST analyses to the point of collapse initiation. It then states that a local collapse automatically means that a total global disproportionate collapse is inevitable, when this has NEVER been observed in any steel structure before or since. Yet on that day 3 buildings succumb to this new phenomenon. SHENS !

You cannot smash to smithereens these 8-1/2 floors of building without an additional source of power. To believe otherwise indicates to me you've been thoroughly hypnotized by the propoganda.

As a followup, the same show SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on CNN Headline News, had Alex Jones, the man who interviewed Sheen. Jones hit a friggin' homerun.

Were on the march, the empire's on the run!

are you from another planet?

i suppose you're an engineer and you can backup the claims you've made about buildings with certain structure types not collapsing? because i've heard real engineers explain how it COULD and DID happen.

many engineers not assosciated with the government (even international magazines) have refuted NIST's findings. NIST and FEMA have been unable to even offer a plausible explanation for WTC7... FEMA's own words... their version had a "low probability" of occuring. It's been almost 5 years ;) Watch video of WTC7 and you'll know why.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: hemiram
Originally posted by: morkinva
Haha I thought it was funny also when they called him 'credible'. Heidy Fleiss would be proud.

But the fact remains that what he's saying is BIG. He's not just raggin on Iraq policy, he's saying some serious sh!t. And he's a big star. Why is there no mass media coverage of this?

the interview


edit>> could've sworn I posted this in the correct forum, my bad.

There's no mass media coverage of it because it's KOOKERY! Thousands and thousands of real experts, all over the world have no problems with the "official" version of what happened, and people who believe in the "demolition" nonsense have to drag out a few fringe people who see things that arent there, have theories that make no sense, like thermite, or who think that steel is magic and can't fail, even after a jetliner slams into the building at 500+ MPH and sets off a huge fire.

The videos show nothing, ZERO that indicates any of the buildings were imploded. NOTHING. A whole lot of people saw the plane slam into the pentagon.

It's like a religion with some of you people! No matter how kooky it is, you will dance around and try to make it fit your wished for scenario. Some of the kookpages are hilarious though, I have to admit.


I guess you're either ignorant, or blind:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 3 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + smoke rising from the streets)


Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848


CNN coverage: http://www.stoplying.ca/media/showbiz1.wmv

MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7's collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

What do you think it would sound like when the inside of the building fails? one of the floor colliding with one of the other floors might sound like a BOOM or EXPLOSION.

You have issues.


Yeah, that confirms it. You really are blind.... or just in denial :) Many explosions occurred BEFORE the towers started collapsing. You should really watch the videos above...here are a few more:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide......igh_quality.wmv

Ive watched the videos, in the 12 other threads you have personally created repeating the samn damn thing 400 times in.

You are mentally unable to conceive that what happened did. For every 1 moron you can find, 5000 other intelligent people can go against.

Just because some douche edited together a bunch of clips of the morons saying irrelevant and inacurrate crap, doesnt mean that it didnt occur the way it did.

GO FIND SOMETHING AT LEAST REMOTELY CREDIBLE TO FREAK OUT ABOUT.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: hemiram
Originally posted by: morkinva
Haha I thought it was funny also when they called him 'credible'. Heidy Fleiss would be proud.

But the fact remains that what he's saying is BIG. He's not just raggin on Iraq policy, he's saying some serious sh!t. And he's a big star. Why is there no mass media coverage of this?

the interview


edit>> could've sworn I posted this in the correct forum, my bad.

There's no mass media coverage of it because it's KOOKERY! Thousands and thousands of real experts, all over the world have no problems with the "official" version of what happened, and people who believe in the "demolition" nonsense have to drag out a few fringe people who see things that arent there, have theories that make no sense, like thermite, or who think that steel is magic and can't fail, even after a jetliner slams into the building at 500+ MPH and sets off a huge fire.

The videos show nothing, ZERO that indicates any of the buildings were imploded. NOTHING. A whole lot of people saw the plane slam into the pentagon.

It's like a religion with some of you people! No matter how kooky it is, you will dance around and try to make it fit your wished for scenario. Some of the kookpages are hilarious though, I have to admit.


I guess you're either ignorant, or blind:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 3 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + smoke rising from the streets)


Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848


CNN coverage: http://www.stoplying.ca/media/showbiz1.wmv

MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7's collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

What do you think it would sound like when the inside of the building fails? one of the floor colliding with one of the other floors might sound like a BOOM or EXPLOSION.

You have issues.


Yeah, that confirms it. You really are blind.... or just in denial :) Many explosions occurred BEFORE the towers started collapsing. You should really watch the videos above...here are a few more:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide......igh_quality.wmv

Ive watched the videos, in the 12 other threads you have personally created repeating the samn damn thing 400 times in.

You are mentally unable to conceive that what happened did. For every 1 moron you can find, 5000 other intelligent people can go against.

Just because some douche edited together a bunch of clips of the morons saying irrelevant and inacurrate crap, doesnt mean that it didnt occur the way it did.

GO FIND SOMETHING AT LEAST REMOTELY CREDIBLE TO FREAK OUT ABOUT.


LOL. You're saying the fire fighters and news reporters at WTC on 9/11 are morons?
You are in D-E-N-I-A-L.
 

morkinva

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81% of those polled agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks, if you believe the new CNN poll

I think that's something to freak out about. Oh wait, they must all be idiots, morons, etc.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: hemiram
Originally posted by: morkinva
Haha I thought it was funny also when they called him 'credible'. Heidy Fleiss would be proud.

But the fact remains that what he's saying is BIG. He's not just raggin on Iraq policy, he's saying some serious sh!t. And he's a big star. Why is there no mass media coverage of this?

the interview


edit>> could've sworn I posted this in the correct forum, my bad.

There's no mass media coverage of it because it's KOOKERY! Thousands and thousands of real experts, all over the world have no problems with the "official" version of what happened, and people who believe in the "demolition" nonsense have to drag out a few fringe people who see things that arent there, have theories that make no sense, like thermite, or who think that steel is magic and can't fail, even after a jetliner slams into the building at 500+ MPH and sets off a huge fire.

The videos show nothing, ZERO that indicates any of the buildings were imploded. NOTHING. A whole lot of people saw the plane slam into the pentagon.

It's like a religion with some of you people! No matter how kooky it is, you will dance around and try to make it fit your wished for scenario. Some of the kookpages are hilarious though, I have to admit.


I guess you're either ignorant, or blind:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcshake.mpg
(12 seconds before WTC1 collapse, the tripod shakes, debris falls off the right side of the building)

It corroborates with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
(Time frame 52:50 - 55:10 , 3 explosions can be heard roughly 12 seconds before WTC1 collapse + smoke rising from the streets)


Also footage from Loose Change 2nd Edition (time frame 51:30 - 53:40)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8260059923762628848


CNN coverage: http://www.stoplying.ca/media/showbiz1.wmv

MIT engineer: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248

FEMA and NIST have been unable to offer a plausible explanation for WTC7's collapse. WTC7 was intentionally omitted from the 911 Commission Report:
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

What do you think it would sound like when the inside of the building fails? one of the floor colliding with one of the other floors might sound like a BOOM or EXPLOSION.

You have issues.


Yeah, that confirms it. You really are blind.... or just in denial :) Many explosions occurred BEFORE the towers started collapsing. You should really watch the videos above...here are a few more:

http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/vide......igh_quality.wmv

Ive watched the videos, in the 12 other threads you have personally created repeating the samn damn thing 400 times in.

You are mentally unable to conceive that what happened did. For every 1 moron you can find, 5000 other intelligent people can go against.

Just because some douche edited together a bunch of clips of the morons saying irrelevant and inacurrate crap, doesnt mean that it didnt occur the way it did.

GO FIND SOMETHING AT LEAST REMOTELY CREDIBLE TO FREAK OUT ABOUT.


LOL. You're saying the fire fighters and news reporters at WTC on 9/11 are morons?
You are in D-E-N-I-A-L.

Im saying firefighters and reporters in your videos are morons. Because they cherry picked the ones for your little videos.

Also, how often do you knock over 100 story skyscrapers with a massive fire? Who the FVCK IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHAT ITS SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE?
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: morkinva
81% of those polled agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the real events of the 9/11 attacks, if you believe the new CNN poll

I think that's something to freak out about. Oh wait, they must all be idiots, morons, etc.

I can vote 2000 times in a poll too...
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Charlie Sheen a prominent "credible" whistleblower?

More like a prominent credible coke blower known for dating Ginger Lynn, a different kind of "whistleblower". :laugh:

This crap needs to be moved to P&N. It's been beaten to death already in several threads.


Bingo. This thread reminds me of something else. Elvis is alive. I saw him yesterday at Sonic. I guess that makes me a credible "whistleblower" too......:roll:

It's funny, your intellect is even weaker than your sarcasm.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Sorry, I don't believe that a perfectly intact structure (below the collapse zone), consisting of big outer columns and 47 HUGE inner columns can collapse like a falling bundle of sticks, at a rate of... OVER 8 FLOORS PER SECOND

NIST analyses to the point of collapse initiation. It then states that a local collapse automatically means that a total global disproportionate collapse is inevitable, when this has NEVER been observed in any steel structure before or since. Yet on that day 3 buildings succumb to this new phenomenon. SHENS !

You cannot smash to smithereens these 8-1/2 floors of building without an additional source of power. To believe otherwise indicates to me you've been thoroughly hypnotized by the propoganda.

As a followup, the same show SHOWBIZ TONIGHT on CNN Headline News, had Alex Jones, the man who interviewed Sheen. Jones hit a friggin' homerun.

Were on the march, the empire's on the run!


Third consecutive night CNN reports 9/11 Conspiracy... Video:.

http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/third-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html

http://www.911podcasts.com/files/video/...ght20060324/ShowbizTonight20060324.wmv


The doubters can't do anything to stop the truth from coming out. Internet FTW. The video evidence is on the truth's side. The firefighter + police + news reporter testimonies of numerous / secondary explosions are on the truth's side. Video of WTC7's collapse is on the truth's side. Norman Mineta's testimony is on the truth's side ;)
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
yeah, we will see where this goes noto12ious.

Im pointing to slow news week.

Fox News, national + international media are already bashing Sheen's personal life.

Enjoy your crow...it's picking up steam :)

Eventually, they'll have to address the information of controlled demolition among other topics... and they can't discredit the evidence of explosions, especially WTC7 :)
 

Acanthus

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There are some parts that can be flat out refuted by common sense in loose change.

A big one, the cell phones dont work at cruise height blah blah blah...

The planes werent flying at cruise height, they were flying under radar.
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The molten steel...

The rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached temperatures in the thousands of degrees.
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The "explosions" ahead of the buildings collapse as it fell...

The internal structure couldve failed before the outer structure.
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The towers falling straight down...

Common sense.
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Jet fuel only burns at xxxx degrees not hte xxxx degrees it takes to melt steel.

the steel didnt have to melt, it only had to weaken to fail.
 

spunkz

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
There are some parts that can be flat out refuted by common sense in loose change.

A big one, the cell phones dont work at cruise height blah blah blah...

The planes werent flying at cruise height, they were flying under radar.
------------------------------

The molten steel...

The rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached temperatures in the thousands of degrees.
------------------------------

The "explosions" ahead of the buildings collapse as it fell...

The internal structure couldve failed before the outer structure.
------------------------------

The towers falling straight down...

Common sense.
-----------------------------

Jet fuel only burns at xxxx degrees not hte xxxx degrees it takes to melt steel.

the steel didnt have to melt, it only had to weaken to fail.

agree on the cell phone thing, but the rest don't seem as likely. in any case, all the toughest parts of 9/11 to swallow are the ones that all the gov't has to do is release one video or one of the black boxes to clear up. yet they don't....
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
There are some parts that can be flat out refuted by common sense in loose change.

A big one, the cell phones dont work at cruise height blah blah blah...

The planes werent flying at cruise height, they were flying under radar.

Since when did this become about Loose Change?
Cell phones? Who knows, the Commission sure didn't investigate.

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The molten steel...

The rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached temperatures in the thousands of degrees.
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Incorrect. Do your homework... many reports of molten steel. Make that "rivers" of molten steel. Also, it wasn't just days. It was months ;) Jetfuel fires aren't capable of doing that to steel... even NIST admits that.


The "explosions" ahead of the buildings collapse as it fell...

The internal structure couldve failed before the outer structure.
------------------------------

4 large explosions were heard 12 seconds before WTC1 fell...it was even recorded across the Hudson river. The explosions were also big enough to shake a tripod that was filming WTC1. You're also forgetting to factor in many eyewitness accounts of demolition flashes on the lower levels seconds before the "collapse" started at the tops of the buildings. Oh yeah, you're also forgetting secondary devices beind found by police, fire fighters.... and the numerous other explosions that occurred many minutes before the towers fell (explosions powerful enough to "turn" cars, and other explosions which pushed people in the basements "upwards"). Don't forget WTC7, which had all of its central columns knocked out which forced the building to kink inwards, then fell straight down ... explosions can also be heard before WTC7's "collapse". Don't forget the pyroclastic dust clouds from all three buildings.

The towers falling straight down...

Common sense.
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Yeah, that's what usually happens in a controlled demoltion.

Jet fuel only burns at xxxx degrees not hte xxxx degrees it takes to melt steel.

the steel didnt have to melt, it only had to weaken to fail.

Who said the steel didn't weaken? Nobody said that. The point is, jetfuel isn't capable of melting steel, so why were "rivers" of molten steel found at ground zero? Gotcha.
 

Acanthus

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Ill go through the whole video and post my opinions, since i seem like a staunch opponent.

1. Cuba secret plans, similar idea, no big deal.

2. Remote flight of a 757 for test crash, this requires a very powerful transmitter and could not be flown over hundreds of miles and maintain signal.

3. Rebuilding americas defenses, possible motive, heresay

4. Osama bin laden being visited by CIA, heresay

5. Massive lease + insurance policy, reasonable, it had been attacked in the past.

6. Put options on stock - All of the companies, except boeing, have traditionally unstable stock.

7. Osama bin laden watched carefully in hospital, heresay

8. Defense on the day of 9/11, military drills like this are normal.

9. "saw a missle" "saw a cargo plane" "didnt see windows", crap eyewitnesses

10. Hani "he had trouble flying and landing a cessna" a boeing commercial aircraft is not a cessna, they arent even similar. It would depend on what you were trained or had experience flying to how you would perform flying an aircraft. In their own words on the movie he was a moderately experienced pilot.

11. "it looked like a military aircraft on radar" Commercial planes are capable of much more than they traditionally do, a terrorist taking over an aircraft isnt worried about passenger comfort, it would bank much harder than normal.

12. Light poles, a joke, a tiny prop jet and boeing 767 are not even similar.

13. Engines vanishing, I have no explanation, however i dont have any experience at all in analysing wreckage.

14. Single hole in the pentagon, odd, no explanation.

15. Planes over restricted airspace, irrelevant, especially if you think it was a tomahawk cruise missle that hit the pentagon.

16. FAA and military planes in airspace, for obvious reasons they arent going to reveal that information.

17. Tapes confiscated, I agree, the tapes shouuld be released.

18. WTC7, it is conceivable that the story happened as told. Debris damaged the building and started a fire that resulted in its collapse.

19. The "other" skyscraper fires, Not even similar. Hilariously they mention the same materials for the last building, and mention that multiple floors were completely eradicated... WHICH MEANS STEEL MELTED, and there wasnt even jet fuel....

20. South tower collapses 1st, they claim that the 2nd plane "barely" hits the tower (hah) and that the majority of the fuel "exploded outside of the buidling" there was thousands of gallons of jet fuel, it would have to all vaporize instantly to consume it all, that isnt how it works. Wet fuel does not burn.

21. The people who certified the steel and the guy who designed the buildings, doesnt matter, the steel didnt have melt, it had to be weakend.

22. "Almost looks like planned demolitions" its going to work that way when something falls straight down.

23. "other explosions" couldve been anything from elevators falling to the ground internally, to the internal structure of the building failing.

24. Flashes, heresay

25. Impact sound, Anything couldve cause the 2ndary explosion, if they were going to use precision explosives to take down the building they wouldnt do them friggin an hour apart. It doesnt make sense.

26. The janitor, heresay

27. Windows in the lobby, "hermetically sealed elevators" couldve easily been pierced by the crash itself.

28. The firefighters describing "detonations", Couldve easily been the floors colliding with each other in the "pancake effect" model that sane people use.

29. Firefighters describing other explosions while in the building, there couldve been anything in those buildings that was combustible. Again if it was a controlled demolition it wouldnt be minutes apart.

30. Talking about putting out the fire on the 78th floor, the fire spanned 6 floors or more.

31. videos of controlled demolitions, detonations all done seconds apart to take down the towers. Not what the conpiracy theory claims happened at the WTC.

32. Molten steel at the bases, the rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached those temperatures at the core and not been reflected on the surface by satellite measuring.

33. The "detonations", the internal structure of the building could have failed before the extrenal, leading to vast amounts of air being displaced and blowing out windows.

34. The "shake of the documentry camera", again the internal structure couldve failed.

35. Securicon + HCC, This is supposed to show motive, but the HCC reference would be against the motive. Why would you blow up buildings that YOU ARE THE INSURER FOR PARTS OF. Youd lose millions.

36. Blowing up the fuel silos, completely unreleated.

37. Flight 93 "evacuated", based entirely on heresay

38. Flight 93s remains, The hole indicates the plane hit the ground in full freefall, bodies have vaporized in the past, my mom took a EMT course years ago and was shown footage of plane crashes where people had entirely vaporized.

39. 2 planes landing at clevland, one plane landed, one TV station reports wrong information and naturally flight 93 landed or some crap. Where they were appearently mass executed at a NASA research center.

40. Bin laden denies responsibility, he could lie?

41. Flight recorders at the WTC, its easy to believe that they would be crushed or otherwise destroyed when a skyscraper falls on them.

42. Firefighter claims to find 3 blackboxes at WTC, heresay

43. Flight 93 spotted at O'hare, heresay

44. Planes not scheduled to fly on sept 11th, heresay, id like to see more proof than some chart.

45. Plane serial numbers, 2 boeing jets that crashed listed as active by serial number? Again, independant verification would be better than a chart.

46. The cellphone calls, "suspicious content", again, hear what you want to hear, thats what you get outta this.

47. 4 hijackers, 5 hijackers, etc, not recognizing manhattan, in times of crisis its easy to make errors.

48. The cellphones, they claim that the calls couldnt have been made, and they use the cruise altitude as their basis for this. It is well known that the hijacked planes were flown well under cruise height to avoid radar detection.

49. Voice masking technology, it exsists, we know

50. status of the terrorists, 9 turning up alive, youd think theyd make a little more noise if they were being accused of being the proponents of the most evil act of the decade.

51. official autopsys dont list hijackers, who knows

52. Bin laden confession tape, not well known facts about bin laden, could easily be heresay.

53. The Gold, not even close to all of the gold was in the trucks.

54. Bushs motive, we all know about that.

55. Jimmy walter, k, he follows the conpiracy theory and is rich, doesnt change the evidence.
 

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
There are some parts that can be flat out refuted by common sense in loose change.

A big one, the cell phones dont work at cruise height blah blah blah...

The planes werent flying at cruise height, they were flying under radar.

Since when did this become about Loose Change?
Cell phones? Who knows, the Commission sure didn't investigate.

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The molten steel...

The rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached temperatures in the thousands of degrees.
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Incorrect. Do your homework... many reports of molten steel. Make that "rivers" of molten steel. Also, it wasn't just days. It was months ;) Jetfuel fires aren't capable of doing that to steel... even NIST admits that.


The "explosions" ahead of the buildings collapse as it fell...

The internal structure couldve failed before the outer structure.
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4 large explosions were heard 12 seconds before WTC1 fell...it was even recorded across the Hudson river. The explosions were also big enough to shake a tripod that was filming WTC1. You're also forgetting to factor in many eyewitness accounts of demolition flashes on the lower levels seconds before the "collapse" started at the tops of the buildings. Oh yeah, you're also forgetting secondary devices beind found by police, fire fighters.... and the numerous other explosions that occurred many minutes before the towers fell (explosions powerful enough to "turn" cars, and other explosions which pushed people in the basements "upwards"). Don't forget WTC7, which had all of its central columns knocked out which forced the building to kink inwards, then fell straight down ... explosions can also be heard before WTC7's "collapse". Don't forget the pyroclastic dust clouds from all three buildings.

The towers falling straight down...

Common sense.
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Yeah, that's what usually happens in a controlled demoltion.

Jet fuel only burns at xxxx degrees not hte xxxx degrees it takes to melt steel.

the steel didnt have to melt, it only had to weaken to fail.

Who said the steel didn't weaken? Nobody said that. The point is, jetfuel isn't capable of melting steel, so why were "rivers" of molten steel found at ground zero? Gotcha.

Molten steel was the base, there wasnt jet fuel there, but there was one hell of a fire.

Light a lighter, not that hot, now light a lighter and block the escaping heat, you have a hell of a lot of heat buildup. Now make the fire massive. You can melt steel.

Do you think controlled demolitions melt steel too? Gotcha :roll:
 

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I'm not going to read the 7+ pages..

but if it hasnt been said before


Everyone should check out the video Loose Change volume 2 on google video. Its free and there is no download, it just streams. Its an hour and 21 minutes long but its well worth it. Take everything with a grain of salt however.
 

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Charlie Sheen is a sex fiend who is cheating on his wife.... credibility is (HOT) SHOT (Part Deux) down the window.
 

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