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mAdMaLuDaWg

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I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science is run by Jews...

EDIT: The editor's notes says it quite well:
Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth--and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.
 

Jmman

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Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science is run by Jews...

Wow, a study that consults independent experts in a variety of fields that debunks all of these conspiracy theories. I guess Bush must have influence over popular mechanics as well.......:laugh:

 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Kassem
I'm not going to read the 7+ pages..

but if it hasnt been said before


Everyone should check out the video Loose Change volume 2 on google video. Its free and there is no download, it just streams. Its an hour and 21 minutes long but its well worth it. Take everything with a grain of salt however.

Everyone has, the problem is that no one wants to believe what it has to say because they go into it with a pre-conceived notion about that day, either they're just stubborn about it, in denial, or just can't be taught after a certain age I guess.

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science
EDIT: The editor's notes says it quite well:
Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth--and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.

This has been posted in other threads and it doesn't prove or disprove anything, it doesn't even tackle and explain the real issues that need explanations. And the editors note is a piece of shit, the families have been asking the same questions as the theorists. These people arn't disgracing anyone, they are fighting for the truth and should be praised for it, not cackled at and called looney. Nice job saying the magazine is run by a bunch of Jews too :roll: like that makes even the slightist of differences you racist asshole.
 

Jmman

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Kassem
I'm not going to read the 7+ pages..

but if it hasnt been said before


Everyone should check out the video Loose Change volume 2 on google video. Its free and there is no download, it just streams. Its an hour and 21 minutes long but its well worth it. Take everything with a grain of salt however.

Everyone has, the problem is that no one wants to believe what it has to say because they go into it with a pre-conceived notion about that day, either they're just stubborn about it, in denial, or just can't be taught after a certain age I guess.

Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science
EDIT: The editor's notes says it quite well:
Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth--and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.

This has been posted in other threads and it doesn't prove or disprove anything, it doesn't even tackle and explain the real issues that need explanations. And the editors note is a piece of ******, the families have been asking the same questions as the theorists. These people arn't disgracing anyone, they are fighting for the truth and should be praised for it, not cackled at and called looney. Nice job saying the magazine is run by a bunch of Jews too :roll: like that makes even the slightist of differences you racist asshole.


Obviously it doesn't prove or disprove anything because you are utterly convinced that there must be a vast conspiracy and probably nothing will deter you from that. That is fine, but for me the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Occam's razor my friend......
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Obviously it doesn't prove or disprove anything because you are utterly convinced that there must be a vast conspiracy and probably nothing will deter you from that. That is fine, but for me the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Occam's razor my friend......

Fair enough, now that I've told you what I think about your little article, why don't you tell me what you think about Loose Change so I can throw that same statement in your face as well. Fact is, if you knew anything about me, you would know I didn't believe the theories until recently. Initially I was in denial, I knew nothing about the attacks other then what I saw on TV and what I was told in the 9/11 Commission. I love my country and didn't want to believe it, but I just couldn't plug my eyes and close my eyes on it anymore. So you show me an article that does answer the questions that matter, and I'll show you someone on board with this conspiracy jump ship.
 

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The 911 commission was a scam. Headed by Philip Zelikow, he directed which avenues they would investigate. This supposedly independent commission was headed by a guy who wrote a book with Condoleezza Rice, and had a lot of ties with the White House. Can you see that this commission was not independent?

All Sheen wants is a truly independent examination of what happened that day. .....what are you afraid of?
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Acanthus

Molten steel was the base, there wasnt jet fuel there, but there was one hell of a fire.

Light a lighter, not that hot, now light a lighter and block the escaping heat, you have a hell of a lot of heat buildup. Now make the fire massive. You can melt steel.

Do you think controlled demolitions melt steel too? Gotcha :roll:

Wow Acanthus! I think you just figured out what all government researchers haven't been able to understand.

:laugh:
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science is run by Jews...

EDIT: The editor's notes says it quite well:
Reasonable people are entitled to wish that our government had been better prepared and more alert. But those who peddle fantasies that this country encouraged, permitted or actually carried out the attacks are libeling the truth--and disgracing the memories of the thousands who died that day.


I always laugh when someone posts Popular Mechanics. Direct conflict of interest, just like the Warren, I mean 911 Commission. Copy + pasted from another site:



Let's start off with the Popular Mechanics propaganda machine:

Senior researcher , Benjamin Chertoff of the Popular Mechanics 911 debunking article is none other than first cousin of Michael Chertoff, our secretary of the department of Homeland Security.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2005/070305chertoffscousin.htm


So, how else is Popular Mechanics connected to our government?


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'Popular Mechanics' & Other CIA Front Organizations
From (name edited out)
(email edited out)
2-11-5

I have just read Jim Hoffman's response to Popular Mechanics 9/11 article that tries to debunk the truth about 9/11 by the use of the 'straw man' tactic. Although everything in his response is quite correct and exposes the straw man for what it is, I feel Mr Hoffman was dealing with this particular issue at the wrong level. Approached from a different angle the article tells us who really was behind 9/11 and who is still desperately trying to cover it up. This is how it works:-


'Popular Mechanics' is published by the Hearst Corporation, proprietor (chairman of the board). George R. Hearst grandson of William Randolph Hearst, sometime would-be builder of large aeroplanes.
http://www.business-magazines.com/prd1350.php
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/hearst.asp
http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographies/corp_bio_hearst.html

The president and CEO of Hearst Corporation is one Victor F. Ganzi, since June 1st, 2002. Mr Ganzi is also an officer/director of the Hearst Foundation.

http://img64.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img64&image=ganzi20032bw1py.jpg



http://www.oaklandwib.org/Images/ImageUploads/F82200432537.pdf

A close look at the titles of the books on the shelf behind Mr Ganzi in the photo (GANZI_2003_2_BW.jpg) reveals that some part of Mr Ganzi's early career was spent working for the owners of the Atlantic City Boardwalk and associated hotels and casinos; sometime friends of a certain Mr Frank Sinatra, as I recall.

Victor F. Ganzi is on the board of directors of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University (CASA), alongside Columba Bush, wife of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, brother of George W. Bush, President of the USA and son of George H.W. Bush, former DG of the CIA.
http://www.nationalfamilies.org/prevention/casa.html


Victor F. Ganzi is a member of B.E.N.S. - "Business Executives for National Security" wherein we learn that "When it came time to evaluate In-Q-Tel, the CIA's innovative technology development enterprise, Congress turned to BENS"
In October 2002, B.E.N.S. received a "CIA Agency Seal Medallion" for its work on the In-Q-Tel program.

In-Q-Tel? It is described as "A new partnership between the CIA and the ?private sector?(my apostrophes),? making it a classic front for traditional fascism and other American-style old-fashioned family values
http://www.in-q-tel.org/

A look at the names involved in In-Q-Tel quickly reveals it as a front for Zionism Central.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/inqtel

So, we should all be most grateful to 'Popular Mechanics' and its new editor James Meigs for indirectly telling us who the real perpetrators of 9/11 were by its rather long-winded "blind 'em with science" attempt to suppress the truth of behalf of those perpetrators.

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http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html
("PM claims that its article is backed up by these experts. However, the article is not footnoted, and cites only the persons whose listings are highlighted with background colors. Of those, only the ones highlighted in yellow argue against claims made by 911review.com)


http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html


http://rense.com/general62/popp.htm


http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: mAdMaLuDaWg
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet since it was on slashdot awhile back : Popular Science: 9/11: Debunking The Myths: PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.

... but what do I know??? After all, Popular Science is run by Jews...
these conspiracy theories. I guess Bush must have influence over popular mechanics as well.......:laugh:

Wow, a study that consults independent experts in a variety of fields that debunks all of


LoL yeah, There are heavy ties between Popular Mechanics and the administration...see the post 2-3 posts above this one :)

 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
yeah, we will see where this goes noto12ious.

Im pointing to slow news week.

Hey look, it made it to Denmark:

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=445328

I dont see a reubuttal for my scene by scene analysis of your diamond in the rough conpiracy video.


Actually, 9/11 Eyewitness would be "my" smoking gun video :)

Also, nobody is dumb enough to spend time addressing 50 + of your doubts ...of a film that could have errors. Nobody is saying Loose Change 2nd Ed is 100% factual either... but it's dead on correct about controlled demolition at WTC.

You can't even get past the fact Bin Laden is a CIA asset.
Go google "Tim Osmon".

The CIA KNEW where he was on 9/10/01... so much for arresting the mastermind terrorist, right? Again, he is a CIA asset and a patsy.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: Queasy
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BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Originally posted by: Queasy
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Stop it JACKASS. You're breaking the thread for everyone using Firefox, DIAF.

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Acanthus

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: Acanthus
yeah, we will see where this goes noto12ious.

Im pointing to slow news week.

Hey look, it made it to Denmark:

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.iasp?PageID=445328

I dont see a reubuttal for my scene by scene analysis of your diamond in the rough conpiracy video.


Actually, 9/11 Eyewitness would be "my" smoking gun video :)

Also, nobody is dumb enough to spend time addressing 50 + of your doubts ...of a film that could have errors. Nobody is saying Loose Change 2nd Ed is 100% factual either... but it's dead on correct about controlled demolition at WTC.

You can't even get past the fact Bin Laden is a CIA asset.
Go google "Tim Osmon".

The CIA KNEW where he was on 9/10/01... so much for arresting the mastermind terrorist, right? Again, he is a CIA asset and a patsy.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

I specifically analyzed every scene and found roughly 3 of 55 to have merit...
 

FoBoT

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The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.

I think we can get some evidence to back that up.....
 

morkinva

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Ill go through the whole video and post my opinions, since i seem like a staunch opponent.

1. Cuba secret plans, similar idea, no big deal.

2. Remote flight of a 757 for test crash, this requires a very powerful transmitter and could not be flown over hundreds of miles and maintain signal.

3. Rebuilding americas defenses, possible motive, heresay

4. Osama bin laden being visited by CIA, heresay

5. Massive lease + insurance policy, reasonable, it had been attacked in the past.

6. Put options on stock - All of the companies, except boeing, have traditionally unstable stock.

7. Osama bin laden watched carefully in hospital, heresay

8. Defense on the day of 9/11, military drills like this are normal.

9. "saw a missle" "saw a cargo plane" "didnt see windows", crap eyewitnesses

10. Hani "he had trouble flying and landing a cessna" a boeing commercial aircraft is not a cessna, they arent even similar. It would depend on what you were trained or had experience flying to how you would perform flying an aircraft. In their own words on the movie he was a moderately experienced pilot.

11. "it looked like a military aircraft on radar" Commercial planes are capable of much more than they traditionally do, a terrorist taking over an aircraft isnt worried about passenger comfort, it would bank much harder than normal.

12. Light poles, a joke, a tiny prop jet and boeing 767 are not even similar.

13. Engines vanishing, I have no explanation, however i dont have any experience at all in analysing wreckage.

14. Single hole in the pentagon, odd, no explanation.

15. Planes over restricted airspace, irrelevant, especially if you think it was a tomahawk cruise missle that hit the pentagon.

16. FAA and military planes in airspace, for obvious reasons they arent going to reveal that information.

17. Tapes confiscated, I agree, the tapes shouuld be released.

18. WTC7, it is conceivable that the story happened as told. Debris damaged the building and started a fire that resulted in its collapse.

19. The "other" skyscraper fires, Not even similar. Hilariously they mention the same materials for the last building, and mention that multiple floors were completely eradicated... WHICH MEANS STEEL MELTED, and there wasnt even jet fuel....

20. South tower collapses 1st, they claim that the 2nd plane "barely" hits the tower (hah) and that the majority of the fuel "exploded outside of the buidling" there was thousands of gallons of jet fuel, it would have to all vaporize instantly to consume it all, that isnt how it works. Wet fuel does not burn.

21. The people who certified the steel and the guy who designed the buildings, doesnt matter, the steel didnt have melt, it had to be weakend.

22. "Almost looks like planned demolitions" its going to work that way when something falls straight down.

23. "other explosions" couldve been anything from elevators falling to the ground internally, to the internal structure of the building failing.

24. Flashes, heresay

25. Impact sound, Anything couldve cause the 2ndary explosion, if they were going to use precision explosives to take down the building they wouldnt do them friggin an hour apart. It doesnt make sense.

26. The janitor, heresay

27. Windows in the lobby, "hermetically sealed elevators" couldve easily been pierced by the crash itself.

28. The firefighters describing "detonations", Couldve easily been the floors colliding with each other in the "pancake effect" model that sane people use.

29. Firefighters describing other explosions while in the building, there couldve been anything in those buildings that was combustible. Again if it was a controlled demolition it wouldnt be minutes apart.

30. Talking about putting out the fire on the 78th floor, the fire spanned 6 floors or more.

31. videos of controlled demolitions, detonations all done seconds apart to take down the towers. Not what the conpiracy theory claims happened at the WTC.

32. Molten steel at the bases, the rubble burned for days and couldve easily reached those temperatures at the core and not been reflected on the surface by satellite measuring.

33. The "detonations", the internal structure of the building could have failed before the extrenal, leading to vast amounts of air being displaced and blowing out windows.

34. The "shake of the documentry camera", again the internal structure couldve failed.

35. Securicon + HCC, This is supposed to show motive, but the HCC reference would be against the motive. Why would you blow up buildings that YOU ARE THE INSURER FOR PARTS OF. Youd lose millions.

36. Blowing up the fuel silos, completely unreleated.

37. Flight 93 "evacuated", based entirely on heresay

38. Flight 93s remains, The hole indicates the plane hit the ground in full freefall, bodies have vaporized in the past, my mom took a EMT course years ago and was shown footage of plane crashes where people had entirely vaporized.

39. 2 planes landing at clevland, one plane landed, one TV station reports wrong information and naturally flight 93 landed or some crap. Where they were appearently mass executed at a NASA research center.

40. Bin laden denies responsibility, he could lie?

41. Flight recorders at the WTC, its easy to believe that they would be crushed or otherwise destroyed when a skyscraper falls on them.

42. Firefighter claims to find 3 blackboxes at WTC, heresay

43. Flight 93 spotted at O'hare, heresay

44. Planes not scheduled to fly on sept 11th, heresay, id like to see more proof than some chart.

45. Plane serial numbers, 2 boeing jets that crashed listed as active by serial number? Again, independant verification would be better than a chart.

46. The cellphone calls, "suspicious content", again, hear what you want to hear, thats what you get outta this.

47. 4 hijackers, 5 hijackers, etc, not recognizing manhattan, in times of crisis its easy to make errors.

48. The cellphones, they claim that the calls couldnt have been made, and they use the cruise altitude as their basis for this. It is well known that the hijacked planes were flown well under cruise height to avoid radar detection.

49. Voice masking technology, it exsists, we know

50. status of the terrorists, 9 turning up alive, youd think theyd make a little more noise if they were being accused of being the proponents of the most evil act of the decade.

51. official autopsys dont list hijackers, who knows

52. Bin laden confession tape, not well known facts about bin laden, could easily be heresay.

53. The Gold, not even close to all of the gold was in the trucks.

54. Bushs motive, we all know about that.

55. Jimmy walter, k, he follows the conpiracy theory and is rich, doesnt change the evidence.

Are you referring to this crap? Beh

You really have poor comprehension and need to watch the video again!

Okay not you, as I know you won't. What I really mean is anyone who is interested and not afraid to hear the truth.

click sig
 

0roo0roo

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gah i hate these threads. good god, we have so many unfriendly governments that would just love to uncover a conspiracy behind 9/11 and smear america around the world. yet they haven't been able to make a case... and you think some silly nutters on the net and such crack pot losers know something these governments don't? don't be an idiot.
 

morkinva

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
gah i hate these threads. good god, we have so many unfriendly governments that would just love to uncover a conspiracy behind 9/11 and smear america around the world. yet they haven't been able to make a case... and you think some silly nutters on the net and such crack pot losers know something these governments don't? don't be an idiot.

In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it cost nothing to be a patriot- Mark Twain
 

0roo0roo

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sorry, not everything is revolutionary. ufo nuts, flat earthers, creationists, moon landing deniers, the jews control the worlders, and now 9/11 deniers. sometimes a nut is just a nut.