Active Duty Soldier Illegally Disarmed and Arrested

[Londo_Jowo]

It's right there in the penal code, not my problem if they don't know it.

Yep, right there in the penal code. Most police will consider a person carrying a rifle or shotgun in a public place as being in a manner calculated to alarm.

Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT

(a)(8) displays a firearm or other deadly weapon in a public place in a manner calculated to alarm;
(d) An offense under this section is a Class C misdemeanor unless committed under Subsection (a)(7) or (a)(8), in which event it is a Class B misdemeanor.

 

[John Connor]

I didn't know the backwoods of nowhere Texas was a public place.

 

[mizzou]

I can still the headlines. "Man kills family of 4. Moments earlier seen walking around with rifle! ignored by police."

Imagine if this
I will say though, tactically I don't get it. other then proving you are legally able to do it, what good tactically can come from open carrying, especially an ar15 guy was walking around with his rifle and ignored by police.

therein lies the problem with 2nd amendment showboating. open carry is fine, unless you are a criminal. everything is fine unless you are a criminal though...

I have yet to see a story on a 2nd amendment shower that they are criminal, because they KNOW at some point the police will stop and talk to them because guaranteed someone will call in a "flourishing of a weapon".

it puts the police in a really bad spot, they are asked to go on scene to what could be a felony crime in progress...and when they get their they are being videotaped and told " Am I free to go? am i being detained?". along with refusing to identify ones self.
.

basically no investigation can be done, and they have a choice to say " fuck this im out" or " what if this guys going to kill someone, then I'll be the guy who let it happen"

police are in a lose lose situation. hopefully, and usually, the real criminals won't do this. why? guess what, most criminals are fucking stupid or crazy.


I will say though, tactically I don't get it. other then proving you are legally able to do it, what good tactically can come from open carrying, especially an ar15

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I didn't know the backwoods of nowhere Texas was a public place.

Unless it's someone's private property, it's a public place.

 

[davmat787]

Unless it's someone's private property, it's a public place.

What about a sports stadium or mall that is privately owned, but also where the public gathers? I realize I might be splitting hairs, but what else is a lawyer good for on AT? 😉

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

What about a sports stadium or mall that is privately owned, but also where the public gathers? I realize I might be splitting hairs, but what else is a lawyer good for on AT? 😉

That would come down to how "public place" was defined by law in a particular jurisdiction. It's likely the definition might be different depending on the subject matter of the law. In any event, publicly owned land is most definitely a public place.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I didn't know the backwoods of nowhere Texas was a public place.

Obviously you are just one of the sheep following the faux outrage in this matter.

Temple is located in Bell County, Texas. The Temple Police Department has jurisdiction within the city limits of Temple, the Bell County Sheriff's department has jurisdiction outside the city limits of Temple and within Bell County.

Mr Grisham was arrested by the Temple Police and not in the backwoods/private property that he either owned or had permission to hunt. He was within the city limits of Temple and not on his property he owned, so without a doubt he was on public property.

 

[Zargon]

I can still the headlines. "Man kills family of 4. Moments earlier seen walking around with rifle and ignored by police."

Imagine if this guy was walking around with his rifle and ignored by police.

oh get the F outta here with that. fearmongering shows you have no point





back to OP
the guys smirk once his son has the camera gives him away

Obviously you are just one of the sheep following the faux outrage in this matter.

Temple is located in Bell County, Texas. The Temple Police Department has jurisdiction within the city limits of Temple, the Bell County Sheriff's department has jurisdiction outside the city limits of Temple and within Bell County.

Mr Grisham was arrested by the Temple Police and not in the backwoods/private property that he either owned or had permission to hunt. He was within the city limits of Temple and not on his property he owned, so without a doubt he was on public property.

look at the background, they do an almost full 360

hes not 'in the city', not even a house in sight

im not saying hes not inside the municipal limits, but hes not in a populated area there

 

[Londo_Jowo]

look at the background, they do an almost full 360

hes not 'in the city', not even a house in sight

im not saying hes not inside the municipal limits, but hes not in a populated area there

I wonder how they knew he was walking around with a rifle slung over his shoulder. Did he call the police on himself or did a concerned neighbor that lived in that area call the police? None the less he was arrested within the city limits of Temple, had he been in the county the Bell County Sheriffs would have been the ones to arrest him.

 

[corwin]

I wonder how they knew he was walking around with a rifle slung over his shoulder. Did he call the police on himself or did a concerned neighbor that lived in that area call the police? None the less he was arrested within the city limits of Temple, had he been in the county the Bell County Sheriffs would have been the ones to arrest him.

Temple is very spread out with a lot of open rural area, there was no reason for him to be carrying that rifle as his .45 would have been more than sufficient for anything he would encounter around here, hell even our deer could be brought down with a .45🙄 I need to find out exactly where he was so I can go check out the area...I'm really getting curious now

 

[corwin]

I didn't know the backwoods of nowhere Texas was a public place.

You don't have a clue where the "backwoods" of Texas are

Temple is most definitely not the "backwoods"

 

[corwin]

Wow...found an article that mentions they were near Airport and Old Howard road...about 1/2 mile from where I'm sitting right now and in no way shape or form is it "back country roads". While there are a lot of fields around the area housing developments are springing up like crazy and it will be packed in less than 5 years, the closest one is maybe 1/4 mile away as it is...

 

[xBiffx]

Unless the carry law there stipulates something about population density, I am not sure why any of this even matters.

 

[corwin]

Unless the carry law there stipulates something about population density, I am not sure why any of this even matters.

Laws inside the city limits are different than in the county, however it speaks to motivation more than anything, he wanted to make a scene by carrying a rifle in a place there was really no need to do so. Not that he has to have a "need" but his motivations are suspect...

 

[xBiffx]

Laws inside the city limits are different than in the county, however it speaks to motivation more than anything, he wanted to make a scene by carrying a rifle in a place there was really no need to do so. Not that he has to have a "need" but his motivations are suspect...

You know his motivations? How is this so?

 

[corwin]

You know his motivations? How is this so?

If I have to explain what "motivations are suspect" means I think we are done here...

 

[xBiffx]

Yep, right there in the penal code. Most police will consider a person carrying a rifle or shotgun in a public place as being in a manner calculated to alarm.

Then most police need an education. If you cannot simply carry a weapon under an open carry law, what is the point of the open carry law?

The man simply was carrying it on his shoulder. Not gripping it, not aiming it, not running around with it. That seems to be the very definition of open carry.

Here is IA, we have open carry laws. If you have a permit, you are able to carry any weapon, any way you want as long as its not pointed or postured in an aggressive manner. Pretty much means don't handle it or aim it while in public.

 

[xBiffx]

If I have to explain what "motivations are suspect" means I think we are done here...

Meaning you have no idea what his motivations were but are simply applying your version of what his motivations were and are continuing to talk out your ass.

We are done here...

 

[corwin]

Meaning you have no idea what his motivations were but are simply applying your version of what his motivations were and are continuing to talk out your ass.

Carrying a rifle on back country roads is one thing, doing it on one of the most heavily traveled roads in a city is a whole different ballgame and implies different motivations...

We are done here...

You got that right at least

 

[Uhtrinity]

You know his motivations? How is this so?

He had a history as a political blogger and had been in trouble with his chain of command. His motivations had already been established. And btw, a concerned citizen had made a call, the police were obligated to investigate. The dash cam of the police cruiser would be very helpful in settling how this event started.

Btw, I was stationed in Fort Hood in the mid 90's and am familiar with the whole region. Temple isn't what I would consider to be a small town.

 

[xBiffx]

He had a history as a political blogger and had been in trouble with his chain of command. His motivations had already been established. And btw, a concerned citizen had made a call, the police were obligated to investigate. The dash cam of the police cruiser would be very helpful in settling how this event started.

Btw, I was stationed in Fort Hood in the mid 90's and am familiar with the whole region. Temple isn't what I would consider to be a small town.

So if any of us in P&N decide to carry you better watch out. Make sure no one is concerned.

You all have been warned.

 

[corwin]

Btw, I was stationed in Fort Hood in the mid 90's and am familiar with the whole region. Temple isn't what I would consider to be a small town.

If you thought it was big in the 90's you should see us now😉

So if any of us in P&N decide to carry you better watch out. Makes sure no one is concerned.

Funny but I carry almost daily here with no issues at all, as do most of the people I work with...funny but even my gun club here shows almost no support for this tool either, wonder why that is?

 

[xBiffx]

Funny but I carry almost daily here with no issues at all, as do most of the people I work with...funny but even my gun club here shows almost no support for this tool either, wonder why that is?

You associate yourself with like-minded individuals? There's a shocker.

I carry almost daily too, open carry often. Never had a problem, even with my AR. Anecdotes are fun.

 

[Uhtrinity]

So if any of us in P&N decide to carry you better watch out. Make sure no one is concerned.

You all have been warned.

I open carry while out fishing in the real backwoods, I would expect my neighbors to be concerned if I was in or near town and that is in Idaho. This isn't the old west the few gun nuts want it to be. I am simply a gun owner who is getting frustrated by over zealous gun owners who are going to ruin it for everyone else.

 

[davmat787]

That would come down to how "public place" was defined by law in a particular jurisdiction. It's likely the definition might be different depending on the subject matter of the law. In any event, publicly owned land is most definitely a public place.

I am guessing its definition is much like that of pornography: You can't define it exactly or even approximately, especially when you start considering some art, but you damn well know it when you see it. 😛

IIRC, that line is from a US Supreme Court justice during the 80's.