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Active Duty Soldier Illegally Disarmed and Arrested

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If I were in some fast food joint and some idiot showed up with a rifle slung on his back I would definitely be alarmed. Only a fool wouldn't be, as it is not normal behavior.

Some dude walked into a fast food place I was at I'd tell him he was a &*%ing a-hole. And I own an AR15. And 10 other guns. I get it people, it's legal. Go do it in the mountains because of bears and whatnot. But why do you need to do it in mcdonalds? That does NO ONE any good.
 
Some dude walked into a fast food place I was at I'd tell him he was a &*%ing a-hole. And I own an AR15. And 10 other guns.

But if a government thug walked in wearing a "police" costume and carrying the same gun, you'd bow down and lick his boots like an obedient little puppy, wouldn't you?
 
But if a government thug walked in wearing a "police" costume and carrying the same gun, you'd bow down and lick his boots like an obedient little puppy, wouldn't you?

Uh, don't put words in my mouth dude. Not cool. Cops carry guns. Handguns I'll accept. I accept that they open carry. If a cop walking in with an AR15 slung over their shoulder, I'd think them incredibly stupid. I don't accept that citizens open carry in a city when they have the option to conceal carry. If you're in the woods, fine. Open carry. Hell, carry your AR15 - I do when I'm out at night in the woods. But if you're walking into starbucks for a cup of joe....keep it covered.
 
Does this type of image seriously frighten any of you?

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This is inappropriate. I would immediately leave the store.
 
Why should cops open carry but not regular folks? Why do you find one "acceptable" but not the other?

Because one will stir people up, the other won't. Because one is more likely to need the gun, the other isn't. I love to hate on cops (I mean, I live across the water from Seattle. YOU JAYWALK? WE BEAT YOU!) but it makes more sense. If a gunman wants to do damage they'll take out people threatening them first. That means a uniformed cop is already a target. A citizen remains just a "citizen" until they show their gun if they carry concealed. It's THEIR choice when they show off the gun.

And again, these shows of "LOOK IT'S A GUN WHY U SCARED?" stunts just stir people up. You know what doesn't? Someone carrying concealed.

You probably think I'm just some anti-gun nut. I'm not - I think there are more sane restrictions to be had and all....but, well:
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I'm not. I carry concealed when I can. Soooo...uh, yeah.
 
Because one will stir people up, the other won't.

You're kidding, right?

Plenty of people are stirred up in the presence of cops. I, for one, do not feel safe talking or being in their presence.

Because one is more likely to need the gun, the other isn't.

Based on what, exactly?

Why does a cop need a gun for self-defense more than a regular citizen?

I love to hate on cops (I mean, I live across the water from Seattle. YOU JAYWALK? WE BEAT YOU!) but it makes more sense. If a gunman wants to do damage they'll take out people threatening them first. That means a uniformed cop is already a target. A citizen remains just a "citizen" until they show their gun if they carry concealed. It's THEIR choice when they show off the gun.

I don't find this argument compelling at all.

Who are more often the victims of violent crimes? Regular citizens or cops? Do you honestly believe predatory criminals seek out cops more than they do non-cops?

And again, these shows of "LOOK IT'S A GUN WHY U SCARED?" stunts just stir people up. You know what doesn't? Someone carrying concealed.

If someone simply exercising their rights "stirs people up", then that's not their fault, it's the fault of those who are getting stirred up. For example, if you exercise your First Amendment rights to publicly speak out against a war, and that stirs people up, you're under no moral or ethical obligation to stop speaking out.

If people get stirred up in the face of those exercising their rights, they can go get fucked.
 
However, most of the time they will nab you on "disturbing the peace" even though you can't technically disturb someone's peace if you are doing something legal.

So the cop could probably claim he had the right to detain him b/c said soldier was "disturbing his peace" by openly wielding a rifle, even though it is legal in that state.
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this is incorrect.

You can disturb the peace by doing something legal. Playing music or having friends over for a party is legal, but if it's too loud, it be a situation where you are disturbing someones' "peace".

Part of the problem is
#1 you need a victim (i don't think a cop can be one)
#2 the person needs to KNOW they are disturbing someones peace.
 
So technically if you are walking down the street with your AR slung over your shoulder, and not doing anything that construes a threatening manner then you are fine. Simply having a rifle slung is not threatening, no matter how many little ninnies cry about it.

Just remember that if the ninnies' who are crying will make up the jury pool or the majority of the voter base, then having it slung on your shoulder will be threatening
 
You're kidding, right?

Plenty of people are stirred up in the presence of cops. I, for one, do not feel safe talking or being in their presence.

Talking around them - sure. But BEING around them? OK then...

Based on what, exactly?

Why does a cop need a gun for self-defense more than a regular citizen?

Chances of a cop being at a crime scene....are WAY the hell higher than yours.



I don't find this argument compelling at all.

Who are more often the victims of violent crimes? Regular citizens or cops? Do you honestly believe predatory criminals seek out cops more than they do non-cops?

Uhh, wait, what? Dude wants to shoot up mall. If dude is slightly intelligent, he'll shoot people that can stop him first. Cop in uniform...means target then. Doesn't matter if cop open carries or not. Citizen concealing...not target, can move to a position giving them a clean shot (mind your target and backstop, after all) BEFORE drawing and becoming a target. Simple enough for you?

Otherwise, cops enter problem areas all the time. I can see why a cop will care more about ease of access to the firearm (open carry vs concealed being harder to access in general) since they WILL need to draw (cops in my area walk up to a speed stop with their hand on their gun. Why? Too many cop shootings around my area.) You as a citizen are in defense mode. They as cops are in "deal with situations" mode. Hell, this last weekend some guy went and shot 4 people over an argument in Federal Way. Cops had to put him down. Cops had to go there, not knowing what was going on. The point is simply that they are in a job that necessitates use of a firearm. You are a citizen that views a firearm as a form of defense. There's a BIG difference there.

If someone simply exercising their rights "stirs people up", then that's not their fault, it's the fault of those who are getting stirred up. For example, if you exercise your First Amendment rights to publicly speak out against a war, and that stirs people up, you're under no moral or ethical obligation to stop speaking out.

If people get stirred up in the face of those exercising their rights, they can go get fucked.

Speaking out against a war can be used to change opinions. Stirring people up serves a purpose. You carrying an AR15 around openly (since it's illegal to conceal unless it's an AR pistol) is not equivalent to someone speaking against a war. It's equivalent to someone speaking out in public saying things that will get peoples attention - and draw their ire - for express purpose of...well, drawing their ire.

See, this is funny. I'm all for citizens owning guns (well, mostly for it - but that's another discussion) and conceal carry myself. Yet I find that seemingly a fair number of people in the "gun community" are just sitting around going "I have to show the world that people have guns!" and act like general mouth breathers. There's absolutely a reason that the main demonstration in Olympia (my state's capitol) a few months ago was set up with a request that if people were going to come armed (most of them) that they do it CONCEALED. It was asked that they NOT show up in camo and that they NOT show up with an AR15 over their shoulder.
 
Talking around them - sure. But BEING around them? OK then...

Yep. There are hundreds, if not thousands of videos on YouTube showing cops harassing, beating, and shooting people all over America, many for doing virtually nothing at all. Many of them seem to be sociopaths who relish having power over others.

I don't have any peace of mind being around human scum like that.

Chances of a cop being at a crime scene....are WAY the hell higher than yours.
Chances of a citizen being the victim of violent crime... are WAY the hell higher than a cop.

Uhh, wait, what? Dude wants to shoot up mall. If dude is slightly intelligent, he'll shoot people that can stop him first. Cop in uniform...means target then. Doesn't matter if cop open carries or not. Citizen concealing...not target, can move to a position giving them a clean shot (mind your target and backstop, after all) BEFORE drawing and becoming a target. Simple enough for you?
No, not really, since this isn't the only form of violent crime. In fact, mass shootings are by far the exception, not the rule.

Otherwise, cops enter problem areas all the time.
So what? So do regular citizens.

I can see why a cop will care more about ease of access to the firearm (open carry vs concealed being harder to access in general) since they WILL need to draw (cops in my area walk up to a speed stop with their hand on their gun. Why? Too many cop shootings around my area.) You as a citizen are in defense mode. They as cops are in "deal with situations" mode. Hell, this last weekend some guy went and shot 4 people over an argument in Federal Way. Cops had to put him down. Cops had to go there, not knowing what was going on. The point is simply that they are in a job that necessitates use of a firearm. You are a citizen that views a firearm as a form of defense. There's a BIG difference there.
No there's not. Both cops and citizens face violent crime on a daily basis, and both cops and citizens have to defend themselves in such situations. Just because a cop makes it his job doesn't mean he should have any extra privileges or consideration than a regular citizen.

Speaking out against a war can be used to change opinions. Stirring people up serves a purpose. You carrying an AR15 around openly (since it's illegal to conceal unless it's an AR pistol) is not equivalent to someone speaking against a war.
Sure it is. Both are the exercising of one's rights.

It's equivalent to someone speaking out in public saying things that will get peoples attention - and draw their ire - for express purpose of...well, drawing their ire.
Doesn't matter if one draws more ire than the other, both are fundamental human rights.

See, this is funny. I'm all for citizens owning guns (well, mostly for it - but that's another discussion) and conceal carry myself. Yet I find that seemingly a fair number of people in the "gun community" are just sitting around going "I have to show the world that people have guns!" and act like general mouth breathers.
Yes, exercising one's Second Amendment rights at a time when they are actively being eroded is the stuff of mouth breathers. What gun owners should really be worried about is not offending anyone, right?

LOL.

There's absolutely a reason that the main demonstration in Olympia (my state's capitol) a few months ago was set up with a request that if people were going to come armed (most of them) that they do it CONCEALED. It was asked that they NOT show up in camo and that they NOT show up with an AR15 over their shoulder.
Well, what was the reason?

I'm not getting any younger here.
 
Doesn't matter if one draws more ire than the other, both are fundamental human rights.

Yeah, I'll stop you right there. Human right? Give me a fucking break. Self defense, yes. Guns - or more specifically OPEN CARRYING A GUN - no, A RIFLE (which is what we're talking about here) is *not* a human right. Nor is it a right protected by the constitution. You may keep and bear arms. The state gets to decide how, and what.

If you REALLY think walking around with an AR15 is a human right (and one you MUST have - when you can carry concealed or carry a handgun openly just as easily) then you've got a few screws loose. Human right not found.
 
Yeah, I'll stop you right there. Human right? Give me a fucking break. Self defense, yes. Guns - or more specifically OPEN CARRYING A GUN - no, A RIFLE (which is what we're talking about here) is *not* a human right. Nor is it a right protected by the constitution. You may keep and bear arms. The state gets to decide how, and what.

If you REALLY think walking around with an AR15 is a human right (and one you MUST have - when you can carry concealed or carry a handgun openly just as easily) then you've got a few screws loose. Human right not found.

While i'm glad you're a gun supporter and a CCW holder I have to disagree with you on the actions of the police officer. From the video it was pretty obvious that he never asked the guy to surrender his weapon, to hand it over or anything else, after he told the guy to stop he forcefully grabbed the guys rifle and tried to take it away without a single word or explanation of any kind. It was a stupid move by the police officer and wasn't justifiable by any evidence anyone has seen.
You don't like open carry, I disagree with you.
 
Yeah, I'll stop you right there. Human right? Give me a fucking break. Self defense, yes. Guns - or more specifically OPEN CARRYING A GUN - no, A RIFLE (which is what we're talking about here) is *not* a human right.

Sure it is. Human beings have a right to property, and personal defense arms are property.

Nor is it a right protected by the constitution. You may keep and bear arms. The state gets to decide how, and what.

Not really. The State can pass all the man-made laws and edicts they want, but nobody is under any moral or ethical obligation to abide by them.

If you REALLY think walking around with an AR15 is a human right (and one you MUST have - when you can carry concealed or carry a handgun openly just as easily) then you've got a few screws loose. Human right not found.

Yes, but of course, everybody who doesn't agree with you is "crazy". Unless they march in lockstep with your pro-state views, they must have "screws loose".

This is convincing.
 

All these are accurate.

This is the same thing I was taught in my CHL class, the instructor was a retired Constable.

http://felonyguide.com/Texas-Gun-Law.php

Retired constable is wrong according to the law. LEO's interpretation of the law isn't necessarily correct. I posted a link to the relevant laws.

Just remember that if the ninnies' who are crying will make up the jury pool or the majority of the voter base, then having it slung on your shoulder will be threatening

No because it wont get to trial, because it isn't illegal.
 
Apparently we're having a protest march for this guy on June 1st...

http://www.dontcomply.com/comeandtakeittemple/

Good God have we built a stupid, narcissistic culture. One paranoiac, shitty parent is videotaped acting obnoxious toward a cop and posts the video online, and next thing you know, dozens more (I can't imagine this rally generating attendance into the hundreds) stage a rally in support of him. You can't make this stuff up. Our country seemingly gets dumber by the second.
 
Good for them. The guy wasn't breaking the law and they are sending a message to the gun control idiots.
Still not sure I agree with him, I'm hoping maybe the police rep coming to our gun club meeting might be able to shed some light on the situation before the video started, maybe even have the dash cam video for us to watch
 
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