According to studies, Your daughter has a 20% chance of getting raped in College.

[Nebor]

Don't be silly you rape apologist. The only acceptable response to rape is now "Tell men to stop raping."

After all, "tell people to stop killing", "tell people to stop doing drugs", and "tell people to stop having consensual sex outside of traditionally approved Christian marriage" have all worked so well.

Every time I hear someone say that, I say, "I assume you favor reducing sentences for rapists, right? I mean, after all, they didn't know any better. No one ever told them not to rape."

 

[BoberFett]

If we'd just stuck with our original form of government, "obey everything I say or I will kill you," we wouldn't have any of these problems.

Don't worry, we're making our way back to that.

 

[MagickMan]

They redefined sexual assault to include pretty much any unwanted contact, and then they took a voluntary survey which introduced a large amount of bias.

I seriously doubt anyone really believes it's 20%. It's just people who have an agenda to push that are parrotting it.

It's all bullshit, the real figure is <3%, which is actually lower than the nat'l avg. This is just another attempt to continue to reinforce the lie that we live in a "rape culture", because the more people that believe it, the more power feminists can have over men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KQQ1bzQn0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrzCAuiw7w

 

[Ancalagon44]

Heck, if you want rape culture, come to South Africa. I think our stats might be somewhere around 20%, I'm not sure.

In other words, what is the likelihood of a typical American campus having the same prevalence of rape as a third world country? Pretty low I would think.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's all about the agenda, that's why the definitions are broadened to include pretty much anything one wants to include so some idiot can report "it's 20%, that's crazy, we must do something!".

When an awkward greeting kiss, an uncomfortable stare, an unwanted comment etc can be considered "assault", the stats and numbers parroted are obvious BS to push an agenda.

What's scary is the lengths to which these SJW's and other idiots seem to be going on college campuses with this stuff -- and getting away with it.

 

[waggy]

It's all about the agenda, that's why the definitions are broadened to include pretty much anything one wants to include so some idiot can report "it's 20%, that's crazy, we must do something!".

When an awkward greeting kiss, an uncomfortable stare, an unwanted comment etc can be considered "assault", the stats and numbers parroted are obvious BS to push an agenda.

What's scary is the lengths to which these SJW's and other idiots seem to be going on college campuses with this stuff -- and getting away with it.

this is a good point. it seems that schools are going insane with the rules on rape. Though the good news is it is backfiring on them in the long run. People are sueing the school and winning. something is going to have to change soon.

I put rape in the catagory of something the US needs to have a discussion ab out but won't. Same with race.

it's so inflamed with feeling and SJW's that you can't. You bring up the issue of men being kicked out of college with no proof you are either labeled pro-rape or a Mens right activist.

You debate the 20% claim you are are pro-rape or enabling the "rape culture"


I just don't see any time this is going to be discussed in a manner that it needs.

 

[PliotronX]

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's all about the agenda, that's why the definitions are broadened to include pretty much anything one wants to include so some idiot can report "it's 20%, that's crazy, we must do something!".

When an awkward greeting kiss, an uncomfortable stare, an unwanted comment etc can be considered "assault", the stats and numbers parroted are obvious BS to push an agenda.

What's scary is the lengths to which these SJW's and other idiots seem to be going on college campuses with this stuff -- and getting away with it.

this is a good point. it seems that schools are going insane with the rules on rape. Though the good news is it is backfiring on them in the long run. People are sueing the school and winning. something is going to have to change soon.

I put rape in the catagory of something the US needs to have a discussion ab out but won't. Same with race.

it's so inflamed with feeling and SJW's that you can't. You bring up the issue of men being kicked out of college with no proof you are either labeled pro-rape or a Mens right activist.

You debate the 20% claim you are are pro-rape or enabling the "rape culture"


I just don't see any time this is going to be discussed in a manner that it needs.

To be fair the surveys tile stated that "1 in 5 female undergrads at top schools suffer sexual attacks " it didn't state rape or assault, I would agree an unwanted boob grab is an attack in some way.

 

[BoberFett]

To be fair the surveys tile stated that "1 in 5 female undergrads at top schools suffer sexual attacks " it didn't state rape or assault, I would agree an unwanted boob grab is an attack in some way.

That's correct, but the OP decided it meant rape, and I'm sure he's not alone. Society reacts to rape similarly to the way it does terrorism. Both are horrible events, but the fear surrounding them is overblown compared to the incidence rate. So regardless of what the facts are, what's heard is:

1 IN 5 WOMEN IN COLLEGE WILL BE THE VICTIM OF RAPE!!!!!! (or sexual misconduct of some variety possibly including cat calls or other unwanted sexual comments)

 

[waggy]

To be fair the surveys tile stated that "1 in 5 female undergrads at top schools suffer sexual attacks " it didn't state rape or assault, I would agree an unwanted boob grab is an attack in some way.

that's part of the problem. You have people like the OP who lie about what the stats are.

but it's not just the op. at least his article was truthful. Far to many times you read papers that do make the claim 20% rape. I didn't think to see if it was one of them or not.

I also want to point out that is perhaps the first article I have seen that listed the % of men who it happens to.

Overall it's actually a good article.

 

[justoh]

Bogus study is bogus. Don't even have a daughter.

 

[Attic]

20% just for college.

How about during her entire life?



I'd say legalize prostitution.

 

[Exophase]

I have always wondered something. If both parties are two drunk or inebriated to give consent and they have sex, which party is the perpetrator? Is it automatically the male?

Having drunken sex is not automatically rape, at least not in any legal language I've seen. Even if it can still get you kicked out of college.

For it to be elevated to rape the person must be visibly incapacitated. If both parties rise to this status it'll be much less likely for sex to even be on the table (although not totally impossible)

 

[PokerGuy]

Apparently, for the purposes of this study, asking someone out more than once is also considered "sexual harassment". Also, respondents were given incentives (prizes and such) to participate. It's clear this is a political agenda "study", not an actual study worth anyone's time.

 

[Atreus21]

1 out of 5 even!

Or, insanely, 3 out of 15. Can you imagine?

But now we're just getting crazy.

 

[bshole]

It's all bullshit, the real figure is <3%, which is actually lower than the nat'l avg. This is just another attempt to continue to reinforce the lie that we live in a "rape culture", because the more people that believe it, the more power feminists can have over men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KQQ1bzQn0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrzCAuiw7w

Using YOUR own stat of 3%, that still is pretty damn awful, 25 times worse than Japan or Canadas. We do live in murder/rape/mindless mayhem and ANYBODY who denies is living in an alternate reality. We are on a par with 3rd world nations. We are far far far far from the best country to live in. Almost any first world nation is far safer and better to live in than this shithole that we are stuck in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_..._country_comparison_-_United_Nations_2012.png

 

[Atreus21]

Apparently, for the purposes of this study, asking someone out more than once is also considered "sexual harassment". Also, respondents were given incentives (prizes and such) to participate. It's clear this is a political agenda "study", not an actual study worth anyone's time.

Well, seriously, studies like this are probably very difficult to conduct. The low response rate, the fact that quite a few rapes go unreported, the fact that the term itself is open to some interpretation...

That's got to be a minefield, even when undertaken honestly.

 

[mizzou]

I need to find that comedian bit about getting "Raped....a little bit." It's so true.

The sad fact of sexual nature is that it's often engaged in without 100% full on consent every single time, even in long-term relationships.


EDIT:
Amy Schumer NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpZa1Lxjf-0

 

[PokerGuy]

Well, seriously, studies like this are probably very difficult to conduct. The low response rate, the fact that quite a few rapes go unreported, the fact that the term itself is open to some interpretation...

That's got to be a minefield, even when undertaken honestly.

Yes, it's hard enough to do even when undertaken honestly, but if you expand the definition of things like "assault" and "sexual harassment" to include someone asking you on a date when you don't want to etc, you're obviously opening the floodgates of stupidity.

If they wanted to do a serious study on the matter, they'd need to do a random sampling (the way gallup etc do things), not have the results skewed by those most likely to respond, and they need to be clear about the definitions being discussed. It definitely isn't easy, but a good polling or research company can do it.... but that wouldn't bring the headlines the SJW movement wants.

 

[Nebor]

Using YOUR own stat of 3%, that still is pretty damn awful, 25 times worse than Japan or Canadas. We do live in murder/rape/mindless mayhem and ANYBODY who denies is living in an alternate reality. We are on a par with 3rd world nations. We are far far far far from the best country to live in. Almost any first world nation is far safer and better to live in than this shithole that we are stuck in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_..._country_comparison_-_United_Nations_2012.png

I was sitting at this espresso bar here in Honolulu a couple weeks ago with some chick that flew out to visit me from Texas. This elderly lady next to us struck up a conversation and asked where we were from. When we told her we were from Texas, she immediately goes, "Oh my! Isn't it very dangerous there?" We kind of laughed, then thought about it, and then I was like, "Yeah, I guess it is."

Population of City & County of Honolulu: 953,207
Murders in 2013: 4
Population of Dallas, TX: 1,257,676
Murders in 2013: 143

 

[Phanuel]

We also have one of the least homogenized populations of any developed nation. So comparing our murder rates and violence rates to other nations... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz5Oyze8ziI yeah, ok guys.

 

[realibrad]

Using YOUR own stat of 3%, that still is pretty damn awful, 25 times worse than Japan or Canadas. We do live in murder/rape/mindless mayhem and ANYBODY who denies is living in an alternate reality. We are on a par with 3rd world nations. We are far far far far from the best country to live in. Almost any first world nation is far safer and better to live in than this shithole that we are stuck in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_..._country_comparison_-_United_Nations_2012.png

The US is not the worst 1st world nation to live in.

Take Japan, where molestation rates are much much higher than the US.

http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamlin/3925/Readings/Japan.html

Molestation in crowded trains is probably the most common type of sexual victimisation in Japan. A survey done by my group in Tokyo showed that 60-70% of women had experienced this form of assault at least once.

The US has flaws that I feel deeply about, but its not doom and gloom. I guess it could be if you are an old fart who thinks the sky is falling. We live in a far more moral society that has ever been in history. We now expect far more from people than ever before.

 

[BoberFett]

I was sitting at this espresso bar here in Honolulu a couple weeks ago with some chick that flew out to visit me from Texas. This elderly lady next to us struck up a conversation and asked where we were from. When we told her we were from Texas, she immediately goes, "Oh my! Isn't it very dangerous there?" We kind of laughed, then thought about it, and then I was like, "Yeah, I guess it is."

Population of City & County of Honolulu: 953,207
Murders in 2013: 4
Population of Dallas, TX: 1,257,676
Murders in 2013: 143

Who living in Honolulu has time to kill anyone? If I lived in Hawaii I'd have much better things to do.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, it's hard enough to do even when undertaken honestly, but if you expand the definition of things like "assault" and "sexual harassment" to include someone asking you on a date when you don't want to etc, you're obviously opening the floodgates of stupidity.

If they wanted to do a serious study on the matter, they'd need to do a random sampling (the way gallup etc do things), not have the results skewed by those most likely to respond, and they need to be clear about the definitions being discussed. It definitely isn't easy, but a good polling or research company can do it.... but that wouldn't bring the headlines the SJW movement wants.

Random sampling would be extremely difficult to do, or perhaps impossible as FERPA is tough to get around. (You couldn't give out phone numbers to survey, for example) Basically anything where you are trying to survey college students based on their enrollment will rely on voluntary participation.

So yes, surveys that depend on that are not perfect by any means but the reason they do it is because they have to, not to advance an agenda.

 

[Nebor]

Who living in Honolulu has time to kill anyone? If I lived in Hawaii I'd have much better things to do.

I think it's because the island is 65% Asian. Asian people don't seem to kill each other at nearly the rate that the rest of the world does. The natives have tremendously high crime rates, (along with alcoholism, & diabetes, like all the other native populations we've wrecked) but rarely kill anyone. Interestingly most of the felons sentenced to prison in Hawaii are flown to the mainland and kept in contract prisons.