According to studies, Your daughter has a 20% chance of getting raped in College.

[BoberFett]

relax, I did not say that. I implied that beyond the single unwarranted touch it could be construed as rape by the person getting the unwanted attention.

So you're saying that a second unwanted hug is rape? I just want to be clear about what you're saying.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You'd think so, but if so we wouldn't have this thread.

The vast majority here are what Whoopi Goldberg referred to as "not rape rape". (Although she was referencing a mature man giving powerful drugs to an underage girl and then using her as a sex toy; hopefully the majority of people have standards quite a bit higher than that.) The vast majority here will run the gamut from unwanted touching or kissing as you say, but also including mutually intoxicated sexual activity and even the consensual sex where he doesn't call within 24 hours.

Looks like we're together on this its like we're standing next to each other hands on shoulder's. I hope its not an unwelcomed touch.

Here is 15 seconds of snl humor.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0bxnuOdWUmA

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So you're saying that a second unwanted hug is rape? I just want to be clear about what you're saying.

I'm saying that I'm not the one to say. Nor, I doubt you are in a qualified position to make that call either.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

^^^wait so if a French or Middle Eastern guy greets me with a kiss on the cheek that I didn't want I was raped?

 

[JSt0rm]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-survey-showed-about-27-top-u-s-universities/

WOW 20%!!!! That means 2 out of 10. So College is Rape central.

7% of men are raped in Brown University.

I wonder how this compares to prison.

1 out of 5 even!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

^^^wait so if a French or Middle Eastern guy greets me with a kiss on the cheek that I didn't want I was raped?

Yes, you can only be greeted by Italian or Portuguese men this way without violating international laws

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'm saying that I'm not the one to say. Nor, I doubt you are in a qualified position to make that call either.

I'll be the one to say it; that's not goddamn rape. If you dilute the definition of rape to mean literally anything than it diminishes the suffering of victims of actual rape. "He gave me an unwanted hug" should never be equated with "he put his penis in me without my consent." That's just fucking crazy. There's a reason we have other sex crimes besides rape, like sexual assault or molestation or harassment; rational people recognize that one word shouldn't be used to describe every single bad thing that can potentially happen to someone.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'll be the one to say it; that's not goddamn rape. If you dilute the definition of rape to mean literally anything than it diminishes the suffering of victims of actual rape. "He gave me an unwanted hug" should never be equated with "he put his penis in me without my consent." That's just fucking crazy. There's a reason we have other sex crimes besides rape, like sexual assault or molestation or harassment; rational people recognize that one word shouldn't be used to describe every single bad thing that can potentially happen to someone.

Well yea, I would think that anyone perceiving a hug as a sexual attack needs to re-address their thought process on what a sex crime is. I was actually referring to groping, not just a hug, but I assumed that was understood.
I was just frustrated at, yet again, people blaming the victim of the rape for dressing a certain way, speaking a certain way, etc. Rape is never the victim's fault. Saying "no" once is more than enough.

 

[NAC4EV]

I glued an Isis flag on my daughter's door.
Problem solved...

 

[shira]

Always take such surveys with a grain of salt because they are done with an agenda.

Better not, actually. That "salt" might be a roofie or ecstasy.

 

[thraashman]

I think the problem is parents don't explain to their daughters the risks involved. So they go to College with zero knowledge and assume getting drunk till blacking out in a room full of men is a safe thing to do. Then they end up waking up naked in some room with an ass that aches and a tube of KY next to her.

While women do need to know how to protect themselves, it is NOT ever the victim's fault nor is it ok to insinuate it is her (or on occasion his) fault. Parents not properly teaching their sons to respect women is the problem here. These college age young men thinking women don't get a choice in the matter or deciding that if she's too drunk or too passed out to say no then it's not rape are a problem.

1 out of 5 even!

Always reduce your fractions!

 

[Zorba]

Well yea, I would think that anyone perceiving a hug as a sexual attack needs to re-address their thought process on what a sex crime is. I was actually referring to groping, not just a hug, but I assumed that was understood.
I was just frustrated at, yet again, people blaming the victim of the rape for dressing a certain way, speaking a certain way, etc. Rape is never the victim's fault. Saying "no" once is more than enough.

No one in this thread was victim blaming. Some people advocate women/girls take steps to protect themselves from sexual assault. Just like they should protect themselves from car theft. That is in no way victim blaming and calling it victim blaming is completely insensitive to people that have truly experienced victim blaming.

Real example of victim blaming: "Any girl that gets drunk at a frat party wants to get fucked, therefore what does it matter if they did it after she passed out."

 

[Zorba]

While women do need to know how to protect themselves, it is NOT ever the victim's fault nor is it ok to insinuate it is her (or on occasion his) fault. Parents not properly teaching their sons to respect women is the problem here. These college age young men thinking women don't get a choice in the matter or deciding that if she's too drunk or too passed out to say no then it's not rape are a problem.

So you think it is a good idea for girls to get blackout drunk at a frat party? Or are you just against teaching girls how to protect themselves from sexual assault?

Of course it is the rapists fault, but that doesn't mean girls shouldn't be taught how to avoid bad situations. Same reason I won't walk through the bad part of town by myself at night.

 

[BoberFett]

No one in this thread was victim blaming. Some people advocate women/girls take steps to protect themselves from sexual assault. Just like they should protect themselves from car theft. That is in no way victim blaming and calling it victim blaming is completely insensitive to people that have truly experienced victim blaming.

Real example of victim blaming: "Any girl that gets drunk at a frat party wants to get fucked, therefore what does it matter if they did it after she passed out."

Don't be silly you rape apologist. The only acceptable response to rape is now "Tell men to stop raping."

After all, "tell people to stop killing", "tell people to stop doing drugs", and "tell people to stop having consensual sex outside of traditionally approved Christian marriage" have all worked so well.

 

[Nebor]

They redefined sexual assault to include pretty much any unwanted contact, and then they took a voluntary survey which introduced a large amount of bias.

I seriously doubt anyone really believes it's 20%. It's just people who have an agenda to push that are parrotting it.

 

[realibrad]

While women do need to know how to protect themselves, it is NOT ever the victim's fault nor is it ok to insinuate it is her (or on occasion his) fault. Parents not properly teaching their sons to respect women is the problem here. These college age young men thinking women don't get a choice in the matter or deciding that if she's too drunk or too passed out to say no then it's not rape are a problem.


Always reduce your fractions!

I think we have a problem of how to put our feelings into words here. A rape victim never deserves to be raped, and the punishment to the rapist should not depend on the victim and the victims actions. That being said, the victim could have done things that made the situation more likely.

We put rape into a category where the victim can never be blamed for any sort of fault. If we were to look at other things where someone was say flashing money around, we would still feel bad for the person who gets robbed, but most if not all would say that the person was being reckless.

I think the issue here is that most people see rape as so terrible that any sliver of guilt is so outweighed by the perp, that blaming the victim seems almost pointless.

I would say the victim of rape is in a strange moral position. I don't believe rape is ever acceptable, but, I do think that some situations people put themselves in make rape more likely.

Does rape require someone to willingly choose to do something? If a man and woman get equally drunk, undress and she passes out, and he blacks out and puts his limp penis in her mouth, is it rape?

In cases of murder, we have manslaughter, which does not imply intent, but the person was so reckless that they are held responsible.

Its very tricky and I really hate how some people try to make it black and white.

 

[Sonikku]

No need to be debbie downers looking at how empty the glass is people.

Your daughter has a 80% chance to not be sexually assaulted. :hmm:

 

[Victorian Gray]

Here is the FBI definition as of 2013.



A woman cannot rape a man by putting his penis in her vagina. Envelopment, which is what it would be called, is not rape.

You're wrong:

This woman was originally charged with rape. Due to a plea bargain it was changed to attempted rape and assault and she plead guilty.

Woman pleads guilty to breaking into apartment, attempting to rape man in his sleep

"Chantae Gilman admitted to the crime in a plea deal with prosecutors to downgrade the charges from rape to attempted rape and assault, court documents revealed. Her sentencing is scheduled for June 19.

In June 2013, the victim told police he woke up to find the then 26-year-old Gilman, who weighs 240 pounds, on top of him, pinning his hands above his head. When he told her to get off of him and leave, she refused and told him to be quiet as she continued to have sex with him, the police reported stated."

http://q13fox.com/2015/05/17/report-seattle-woman-charged-with-rape-of-sleeping-man-admits-to-crime/

And this:

"Female-on-male rape is "presumed to be greatly under-reported," writes Salon. National studies report anywhere between 1.4 and 3 percent of men say they have been raped at some point, according to The New York Times. Another one in 21 men "had been forced to penetrate an acquaintance or a partner, usually a woman; had been the victim of an attempt to force penetration; or had been made to receive oral sex," according to The Times."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/cierra-ross-charged-raping-man_n_3882608.html

 

[realibrad]

You're wrong:

This woman was originally charged with rape. Due to a plea bargain it was changed to attempted rape and assault and she plead guilty.

Woman pleads guilty to breaking into apartment, attempting to rape man in his sleep

"Chantae Gilman admitted to the crime in a plea deal with prosecutors to downgrade the charges from rape to attempted rape and assault, court documents revealed. Her sentencing is scheduled for June 19.

In June 2013, the victim told police he woke up to find the then 26-year-old Gilman, who weighs 240 pounds, on top of him, pinning his hands above his head. When he told her to get off of him and leave, she refused and told him to be quiet as she continued to have sex with him, the police reported stated."

http://q13fox.com/2015/05/17/report-seattle-woman-charged-with-rape-of-sleeping-man-admits-to-crime/

And this:

"Female-on-male rape is "presumed to be greatly under-reported," writes Salon. National studies report anywhere between 1.4 and 3 percent of men say they have been raped at some point, according to The New York Times. Another one in 21 men "had been forced to penetrate an acquaintance or a partner, usually a woman; had been the victim of an attempt to force penetration; or had been made to receive oral sex," according to The Times."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/06/cierra-ross-charged-raping-man_n_3882608.html

Dude shut the hell up.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...ew-rape-definition-frequently-asked-questions

I have never said this before, but you have to know who I am at this point. I don't just pull data out of my ass.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Don't be silly you rape apologist. The only acceptable response to rape is now "Tell men to stop raping."

After all, "tell people to stop killing", "tell people to stop doing drugs", and "tell people to stop having consensual sex outside of traditionally approved Christian marriage" have all worked so well.

If we'd just stuck with our original form of government, "obey everything I say or I will kill you," we wouldn't have any of these problems.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Dude shut the hell up.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...ew-rape-definition-frequently-asked-questions

I have never said this before, but you have to know who I am at this point. I don't just pull data out of my ass.

You made a claim and I posted information (including an actual court case) that counters that claim.

And stop patting yourself on the head. It's unseemly.

 

[alcoholbob]

Wait till these girls get out of college. It's even more dangerous!

 

[realibrad]

You made a claim and I posted information (including an actual court case) that counters that claim.

And stop patting yourself on the head. It's unseemly.

No. I said the FBI defines rape as...
You countered with something other than FBI definitions.
I gave the link to a FBI document where they define rape.

I know you probably can't understand that your data countered my claim, but it did not. Ill explain more tomorrow if you need me to, but I have to do a stupid ass bio lab for a dumb ass school.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No. I said the FBI defines rape as...
You countered with something other than FBI definitions.
I gave the link to a FBI document where they define rape.

I know you probably can't understand that your data countered my claim, but it did not. Ill explain more tomorrow if you need me to, but I have to do a stupid ass bio lab for a dumb ass school.

You haven't figured out that this statement is what I was replying to?

"A woman cannot rape a man by putting his penis in her vagina. Envelopment, which is what it would be called, is not rape."

So, you post a definition and I post an actual case.

And again, stop patting yourself on the head snowflake.

 

[waggy]

interesting thread. I think a big problem with talking about it (besides the SJW's) it it seems the news and statistics can't be honest. not to mention in many colleges they are swinging so far that men can't defend themselves and are getting kicked out of school.

Rape is wrong. We SHOULD be telling young men that. We SHOULD also be telling women to watch what they are doing and do not trust people you don't know with your safety if you pass out.

To do anything less is taking her safety out of her hands.


Then you have idiots like Congressman Jared Polis who say

“I mean, we’re talking about a private institution,” he said. “If I was running one, I might say, ‘Well you know even if there’s a 20-30% chance that this happened, I would want to remove this individual.”

That's rather scary.