Accidentally got DS3 965G instead of DS3 965P

[gotenks]

> I wonder if using external PCI-E graphics card will allow to go above
> this magical barier

No, not at all. PCI-E frequency depends on FSB frequency lineary. It is FSB / 2.66 = PCI-E. This means that PCI-E runs at 150MHz when FSB is set to 400MHz. NONE of external PCI-E card can work at this speed. It also explains why internal SATA/ATA controler cannot work reliably when FSB exeeds 330MHz.

It is however *magical* that I am able to set FSB to 400MHz and get internal graphic card working. But I've recently learnt that it works reliably for only around 2 hours with FSB=400MHz. I've found experimentaly that the board works stable all the time with FSB set to 386MHz and PCI-E set to 145MHz (of course with internal SATA/ATA disabled).

Summarising : this is a CRAPPY board. Don't buy it AT ALL. Go and but Asus P5B.

 

[Filius nullius]

I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

 

[Bozo Galora]

I distinctly remember reading somwhere that Intel deliberately crippled the 965G chipset to make the onboard graphics stable under all conditions. Unfortunately cant find the link.

I also went thru hell with the 965G, quickly ordering a bunch of stuff to build a system, and got caught in the newegg 965G trap. The prob is - theres no way to disable the chipset graphics in the bios, only the order of use. If you pull your PCI-E card and you have the drivers loaded from the CD (which I did), on next boot you will be in Intel graphics.

I dumped that particular system a while back, so the only thing I could recommend as a wild card, is to remove the express graphics from dev man., and dont load the drivers, or put "disable in this hardware profile" in its properties. But I do think its a lost cause.

 

[deadmonkey99]

I've got a 965g and an e6300 with ocz 4-4-4-15 and I'd dearly like to know what settings anyone has used to get their best clock out of this, especially using the F7 bios, which I understand is the latest. I moved my sata drive to port 4, but if I use anything above about 280-285 on the fsb then it resets itself

I realise 330-350 isn't anything like what I could get with another mobo, but I'd dearly like to squeeze whatever I can out of in the meantime

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: Filius nullius
I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

I think you got luck as using E4300 by 965g-ds3 since it is 9 multiplier. In my case, this board stable at FSB300 with BIOS F3 and both SATA/IDE also working properly. If you never mind malfunction at 4 INTEL's SATA ports, you can running at FSB333 by using 2 GSATA ports. Therefore, your E4300 can overclock to 2.7GHz to 3GHz. Please note, the above overclock result will going non-stable when you update your BIOS to F4 or higher(it is my experience).

 

[gotenks]

I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

I have this mobo overlocked to FSB=386MHz with the following conditions :
- CPU e6300
- PQI 2x512MB 667 (Dual) set to 4-4-4-10 (manualy)
- DDR voltage increased by +0.3V
- CPU voltage set to 1.23750V
- FSB voltage set to normal
- PCI-E voltage set to normal
- ATA/SATA disabled (I am using IDE drives and IT8212 controler on a PCI card)
- Pentagram CU100 CPU cooler
- extra fan for (G)MCH chipset
- PCI-E frequency set to "Auto"

I can set PCI-E to 145MHz and still work without problems because this stupid mobo uses a constant FSB to PCI-E dividier which is 2.66 (that's why you think you've "locked" PCI-E to 100MHz - you have not locked it. You've just simply set a value which is proper for equatation 100*2.66=266).

With your e4300 it should be fairly simple to reach 300-330MHz FSB I think.

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: gotenks

I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

I have this mobo overlocked to FSB=386MHz with the following conditions :
- CPU e6300
- PQI 2x512MB 667 (Dual) set to 4-4-4-10 (manualy)
- DDR voltage increased by +0.3V
- CPU voltage set to 1.23750V
- FSB voltage set to normal
- PCI-E voltage set to normal
- ATA/SATA disabled (I am using IDE drives and IT8212 controler on a PCI card)
- Pentagram CU100 CPU cooler
- extra fan for (G)MCH chipset
- PCI-E frequency set to "Auto"

I can set PCI-E to 145MHz and still work without problems because this stupid mobo uses a constant FSB to PCI-E dividier which is 2.66 (that's why you think you've "locked" PCI-E to 100MHz - you have not locked it. You've just simply set a value which is proper for equatation 100*2.66=266).

With your e4300 it should be fairly simple to reach 300-330MHz FSB I think.

any external pci-e display card can running at 145Mhz?

 

[gotenks]

any external pci-e display card can running at 145Mhz?

Of course NOT !

But 965G-DS3 has an INTERNAL card, embedded into (G)MCH, and THIS INTERNAL card is able to run at 145MHz (stable), or even 150MHz (unstable) if FSB is set to 400MHz (if it is properly cooled of course).

But of course it is sick that this mobo is NOT ABLE to lock PCI-E. I guess I could overlock it to 400MHz (stable) without problems in this case.

This mobo is simply a "bullls**t. Gigabyte's engineers certainly did not know what they were working at, when they designed this board ...

 

[Filius nullius]

Originally posted by: gotenks

I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

I have this mobo overlocked to FSB=386MHz with the following conditions :
- CPU e6300
- PQI 2x512MB 667 (Dual) set to 4-4-4-10 (manualy)
- DDR voltage increased by +0.3V
- CPU voltage set to 1.23750V
- FSB voltage set to normal
- PCI-E voltage set to normal
- ATA/SATA disabled (I am using IDE drives and IT8212 controler on a PCI card)
- Pentagram CU100 CPU cooler
- extra fan for (G)MCH chipset
- PCI-E frequency set to "Auto"

I can set PCI-E to 145MHz and still work without problems because this stupid mobo uses a constant FSB to PCI-E dividier which is 2.66 (that's why you think you've "locked" PCI-E to 100MHz - you have not locked it. You've just simply set a value which is proper for equatation 100*2.66=266).

With your e4300 it should be fairly simple to reach 300-330MHz FSB I think.

Thanks for the info! Really!! I didn't realize that there was a forced relationship between the PCIe and FSB. Using your advice I have tried the following settings:

FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

This gives me a stable system at 2.66 Ghz (with nice low temps, too). When I try FSB 333 (which I figure I should be able to do with my 667 RAM) along with PCIe 124,125, or 126 the system can't POST successfully - The VGA BIOS POSTs, and then I can see the CPU being identified as 2997 (333x9), but then the system hangs with a long continuous beep and then resets. I've tried a bunch of memory settings, but can't get it to work. Any ideas?

Thanks again man!

 

[MotF Bane]

The board is still horrible for overclocking, my friend and I tried everything. I sold it off, got a GA-965P-DS3 Rev 3.3 to replace it. Anyways, Bozo Galora, I remember reading the same thing. Something about protecting it and keeping it stable.

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: Filius nullius

Originally posted by: gotenks

I have an early GA-965G, and I have just put an E4300 on it. The fsb for this CPU is 200, and the multiplier is 9 (for a base speed of 1.8 Ghz). I have been having a terrible time OCing this setup, but I did get the following to work:

Using BIOS F7 if I locked the PCI EX clock to 100 and set the FSB to 266, and set the memory multiplier to 2.5 I was able to achieve a stable boot, and the system has been stable at 2.4 Ghz. I'm using 2 X 1GB of 667 DDR2 (really crappy quality PNY junk that I got dirt cheap), and a PNY 7900GS (also a piece of crap that I got cheap). For completeness sake I have +.1V on the DDR2, +.1V on the MCH, and left the CPU voltage at stock. The CPU idles @ 29oC and maxes at 43oC with the stock cooler.

Locking the PCI Express clock to 100 was the first time I have ever been able to get this mobo to accept an OC through the BIOS, before this I have only been able to use the Easy Tune utility, and that only had mixed results.

This is not my primary system, so I would be willing to try ideas you folks have, assuming they're not too radical - this is a budget build, and I can't afford to replace anything.

I have this mobo overlocked to FSB=386MHz with the following conditions :
- CPU e6300
- PQI 2x512MB 667 (Dual) set to 4-4-4-10 (manualy)
- DDR voltage increased by +0.3V
- CPU voltage set to 1.23750V
- FSB voltage set to normal
- PCI-E voltage set to normal
- ATA/SATA disabled (I am using IDE drives and IT8212 controler on a PCI card)
- Pentagram CU100 CPU cooler
- extra fan for (G)MCH chipset
- PCI-E frequency set to "Auto"

I can set PCI-E to 145MHz and still work without problems because this stupid mobo uses a constant FSB to PCI-E dividier which is 2.66 (that's why you think you've "locked" PCI-E to 100MHz - you have not locked it. You've just simply set a value which is proper for equatation 100*2.66=266).

With your e4300 it should be fairly simple to reach 300-330MHz FSB I think.

Thanks for the info! Really!! I didn't realize that there was a forced relationship between the PCIe and FSB. Using your advice I have tried the following settings:

FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

This gives me a stable system at 2.66 Ghz (with nice low temps, too). When I try FSB 333 (which I figure I should be able to do with my 667 RAM) along with PCIe 124,125, or 126 the system can't POST successfully - The VGA BIOS POSTs, and then I can see the CPU being identified as 2997 (333x9), but then the system hangs with a long continuous beep and then resets. I've tried a bunch of memory settings, but can't get it to work. Any ideas?

Thanks again man!

Try use old BIOS F3, FSB=332 or 334, PCIe="Auto", RAM= "Auto/Default", no need add cpu voltage.

 

[gotenks]

Thanks for the info! Really!! I didn't realize that there was a forced relationship between the PCIe and FSB. Using your advice I have tried the following settings:

FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

This gives me a stable system at 2.66 Ghz (with nice low temps, too). When I try FSB 333 (which I figure I should be able to do with my 667 RAM) along with PCIe 124,125, or 126 the system can't POST successfully - The VGA BIOS POSTs, and then I can see the CPU being identified as 2997 (333x9), but then the system hangs with a long continuous beep and then resets. I've tried a bunch of memory settings, but can't get it to work. Any ideas?

Thanks again man!

If you have long continuous beep than that means you have overlocked memory too much. Try setting memory multiplier to 2.0 instead of "auto" or 2.5. Auto usualy sets memory multiplier to 2.5 which is too high for your memory modules. Also check if your (G)MCH does not overheat too much. If it does you'll have to add extra fan to it or reduce FSB. Also try setting PCI-E to auto - sometimes it behaves better than setting PCI-E explicitly

 

[Filius nullius]

Originally posted by: gotenks

Thanks for the info! Really!! I didn't realize that there was a forced relationship between the PCIe and FSB. Using your advice I have tried the following settings:

FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

This gives me a stable system at 2.66 Ghz (with nice low temps, too). When I try FSB 333 (which I figure I should be able to do with my 667 RAM) along with PCIe 124,125, or 126 the system can't POST successfully - The VGA BIOS POSTs, and then I can see the CPU being identified as 2997 (333x9), but then the system hangs with a long continuous beep and then resets. I've tried a bunch of memory settings, but can't get it to work. Any ideas?

Thanks again man!

If you have long continuous beep than that means you have overlocked memory too much. Try setting memory multiplier to 2.0 instead of "auto" or 2.5. Auto usualy sets memory multiplier to 2.5 which is too high for your memory modules. Also check if your (G)MCH does not overheat too much. If it does you'll have to add extra fan to it or reduce FSB. Also try setting PCI-E to auto - sometimes it behaves better than setting PCI-E explicitly

Just an update:

After playing a bit the following settings have worked: FSB 325, PCIe 122 (setting it to auto never works on my board), and the memory divider to 2. This gives me a clock of 2.92 Ghz, and I'm still using 1.23750 volts on the CPU. The only drawback to these settings is that the Intel SATA ports crap out, but by moving my drives over to the Jmicron ports the system boots and is stable. Oddly, my other PCIe devices (the Marvell ethernet controller) and my 7900GS work fine. So far heat hasn't been a problem, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it.

Yes, I'd really prefer to have a 965P-DS3, but I can live with 2.92 GHz for now.

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: Filius nullius

Originally posted by: gotenks

Thanks for the info! Really!! I didn't realize that there was a forced relationship between the PCIe and FSB. Using your advice I have tried the following settings:

FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

This gives me a stable system at 2.66 Ghz (with nice low temps, too). When I try FSB 333 (which I figure I should be able to do with my 667 RAM) along with PCIe 124,125, or 126 the system can't POST successfully - The VGA BIOS POSTs, and then I can see the CPU being identified as 2997 (333x9), but then the system hangs with a long continuous beep and then resets. I've tried a bunch of memory settings, but can't get it to work. Any ideas?

Thanks again man!

If you have long continuous beep than that means you have overlocked memory too much. Try setting memory multiplier to 2.0 instead of "auto" or 2.5. Auto usualy sets memory multiplier to 2.5 which is too high for your memory modules. Also check if your (G)MCH does not overheat too much. If it does you'll have to add extra fan to it or reduce FSB. Also try setting PCI-E to auto - sometimes it behaves better than setting PCI-E explicitly

Just an update:

After playing a bit the following settings have worked: FSB 325, PCIe 122 (setting it to auto never works on my board), and the memory divider to 2. This gives me a clock of 2.92 Ghz, and I'm still using 1.23750 volts on the CPU. The only drawback to these settings is that the Intel SATA ports crap out, but by moving my drives over to the Jmicron ports the system boots and is stable. Oddly, my other PCIe devices (the Marvell ethernet controller) and my 7900GS work fine. So far heat hasn't been a problem, but I'll definitely keep an eye on it.

Yes, I'd really prefer to have a 965P-DS3, but I can live with 2.92 GHz for now.

Congratulations, you had got over 60% overclock result. did you try BIOS F3?

 

[Filius nullius]

No, this was all with BIOS F7.

 

[tizzy]

 

[tizzy]

I'm new to overclocking and am stuck with this board, using the tips above ive got it to 2.0, i keep seeing people referencing 300x8 and such, is that only for other cpu's? mine wont let me go above x7, i'd like to atleast try to get this to 2.4 if possible, any tips anyone can give me other than buy a new board? i'll keep messing with things even tho i have no idea what any of them do thanks

E6300
F7 bios
FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: tizzy
I'm new to overclocking and am stuck with this board, using the tips above ive got it to 2.0, i keep seeing people referencing 300x8 and such, is that only for other cpu's? mine wont let me go above x7, i'd like to atleast try to get this to 2.4 if possible, any tips anyone can give me other than buy a new board? i'll keep messing with things even tho i have no idea what any of them do thanks

E6300
F7 bios
FSB 296
PCIe 110
MEM 2.50
CPU volt. 1.23750

Let me summarize all reply from this topic, below are the workable setting for your reference.

1. No big problem occurred when FSB<300.
2. 300<FSB<333, 4x intel's SATA ports malfunction
3. FSB>333, 6x SATA/GSATA ports out of order, but you can buy an additional pci-card for your harddisk to get FSB 334-400.
Setting
All voltage = Default
PCIe = "Auto" or (FSB/2.66)
MEM = "Auto" or 2.0
BIOS F3 is better in my case.

 

[deadmonkey99]

At the moment the best result I get, with my sata plugged into the purple ports is:-

E6300
F7 bios
FSB 315
PCIe Auto
MEM 2.66
CPU volt. Default

If I try to calculate the pci-e manually by fsb/2.66 it seems to not like it and mostly doesn't shut down cleanly. If I increase the fsb to 320, then at the moment that seems to be the point at which the sata devices disappear.

 

[hkmtim]

Originally posted by: deadmonkey99
At the moment the best result I get, with my sata plugged into the purple ports is:-

E6300
F7 bios
FSB 315
PCIe Auto
MEM 2.66
CPU volt. Default

If I try to calculate the pci-e manually by fsb/2.66 it seems to not like it and mostly doesn't shut down cleanly. If I increase the fsb to 320, then at the moment that seems to be the point at which the sata devices disappear.

Try below setting
E6300
F7 bios (mostly doesn't shut down cleanly< i found it at BIOS F4-F7, try F3)
FSB 315 (change new setting & get higher value)
PCIe Auto (manual calculate the value-> if FSB=333, then PCIe=333/2.66=125or126)
MEM 2.66 (use 2.0, i.e. FSB333>RAM=667 or FSB400>RAM=800)
CPU volt. Default
hope it can help you

 

[imsofakinglazy]

I was able to get stable settings using F5:

FSB: 345
PCI-E: Auto
MEM: 2.0
DDR Volt: +0.1
FSB Volt: +0.1
MCH Volt: +0.1
CPU Volt: 1.325 (Stock)
Memory Timings: 4-4-4-12 (manual)

I am running 2 SATA drives in raid0 in the gigabyte sata ports (purple).

E6300
2x1 OCZ Platinum Rev 1.0 pc2-6400 (800)
BFG 7600GT



I've just switched to F8 and now things seem to be worse off. I'll keep tweaking settings to see if I can find a stable config. In the mean time, anyone else have experience with the new BIOS?

 

[imsofakinglazy]

actually, now that I think about it, F5 doesn't always give me a clean shut down. Perhaps after I give up on F8 I will drop back down to F3 with my old settings.

EDIT: Clean shutdowns with F8, but somehow it does not like my settings upon starting back up, restarts, and then disables the overclocking settings in BIOS.
EDIT: Restart hangs in F5.

I also get a funny distortion before my boot manager on F8 (running dual boot with Vista/XP). Anyone else getting this too?


NOTES:

Using F8 BIOS (same settings as my post above, only FSB is changed):
At FSB 355: my SATA is no longer working.
At FSB 350: locks up at OS.
At FSB 345: boots fine.

 

[imsofakinglazy]

Okay!

Seems like my previous settings work in F3. I am going to switch to F3 to avoid the restart/shutdown issues that I get with F5 and F8. I still get that distortion before my boot manager even in F3 too though, anyone else experiencing this? In the mean time I'm just going to switch back to using my 7600GT.