ABS, why have the option of turning them off?

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PlasmaBomb

Lifer
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I've had 2 accidents caused by horribad ABS. Ford Contours are dangerously horrible, my Dodge Avegners were horrible, even my 02 subaru was horrible (ABS would kick in on washboarded pavement and cause you to loose steering). The Altima (06) is the first car I've owned with ABS that I don't consider dangerous. Having said that, my buddie's 95 caddy had great ABS.

If you're talking an old cheap POS, and you have an idea what threshold braking is you're probably better off pulling the ABS fuse. Any modern car should outperform anyone reading these forums.

Well I guess that is something you should test out on a test drive... stand on the brakes hard and see what the ABS does. I will bear that in mind next time I'm taking one...

As for loose steering... don't we all hate that?
 

BenSkywalker

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Oct 9, 1999
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A few handfuls of sliding snow in front of the tires is not sufficient to stop a moving car.

While this is true it changes significantly when you are talking about a heavy snow area that isn't in a warmer climate. Sure, a little 2"-6" dusting with pavement being possible to reach underneath it ABS will easily best non ABS. When you are dealing with 1' and over that has another hard pack layer of 2"-3" that you would need a semi to burn through non ABS stops significantly better then ABS equipped vehicles. A couple of handfuls of snow doesn't do much, try using a push shovel on deeper snow and making it 100' in a few seconds, you build up a lot of resistance quickly. The situation can be comparable when talking about gravel also, but those types of situations are something few outside of contractors hauling large quantities of gravel are ever going to see.

Also, the quality of the ABS system matters greatly, although some people seem to ignore that. I was driving a Kia(the MB wannabe one, can't recall the name, POS) last winter helping a friend transport the car during a snow storm. I would have been much better off if that car had no ABS at all in a borderline dusting(maybe 5" total). When invoked, the ABS intervened violently and too late, each tire taking a turn locking up for a breif bit before the computer caught up(and then completely released the brake). That car was by far the worst I've used, and ABS has saved my ass on a couple different occasions on ice(well, only going like 10MPH, but still, allowed me to maintain enough control to not hit anything). Overall I don't think it's worth having a switch to shut it off, too many people would while the percentage of time it would be off benefit is at best miniscule(how many people drive over deep snow or gravel regularly?).
 

beat mania

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this. traction/stability can be turned off, i've never seen a switch for ABS. the only way to turn it off is to have the system generate a diagnostic code that turns on the ABS light.

Or pull the ABS fuse. Its on my checklist when I go to the track/autoX.
 

Colt45

Lifer
Apr 18, 2001
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The cavemen that remanned my halfshaft banged up the teeth, so I don't get a choice now.

I've never really felt a need for ABS though, and we've got 6mo+ of winter.
 

Colt45

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this. traction/stability can be turned off, i've never seen a switch for ABS. the only way to turn it off is to have the system generate a diagnostic code that turns on the ABS light.

Older cars did, like how you can shut of stability now. My car has a big stinkin switch on the console.
 

lurk3r

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Well I guess that is something you should test out on a test drive... stand on the brakes hard and see what the ABS does. I will bear that in mind next time I'm taking one...

As for loose steering... don't we all hate that?

Definitely put 2 wheels in the gravel and push a little hard, if the car's not controllable you dont want it.
 

KMc

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Jan 26, 2007
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Maybe it has been said already, but the fact is the introduction of ABS had NOTHING to do with improving braking distances. It was all about providing steering control while braking.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
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ABS was not "introduced" on passenger cars, though...it was on airplanes and there it was to reduce stopping distances.
 

KMc

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Jan 26, 2007
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Yes, that is true. I meant specifically the introduction of ABS to passenger cars.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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The NHTSA report is 25 years later and we were talking about the introduction of ABS to cars. :biggrin:
 

JCChilds

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Nov 15, 2023
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Just speaking as a driver and not a mechanic, track time is better without Anti-lock brakes. They kinda make the car corner funny in my experience.

They help in rainy and slippery conditions though 😅💯
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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Just speaking as a driver and not a mechanic, track time is better without Anti-lock brakes. They kinda make the car corner funny in my experience.

They help in rainy and slippery conditions though 😅💯
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