About time Ford killed it

[Amused]

I will never understand all the pointless hate surrounding these vehicles or why people get so wound up over the choices other people make.

I've never had an SUV, but I'm considering one now because now I'm going to have a boat and motorcycle trailers to tow (I'm getting more time off and have new hobbies). I thought about a pickup, but an SUV just seems more useful to me.

I'm thinking of getting a Yukon Denali (about as big as the Excursion).

The funny thing is, most of the time I will be driving it, I will be alone and not towing a trailer... and the nanny-state busy bodies will automatically assume I don't need it and pass judgement.

Go figure.

 

[Thraxen]

Why do people here like ot piss and moan about large SUVs and their owners? There are some people with large families who actually need a vehicle capable of hauling more than 4 people in comfort. Give it a rest already...morons.

It's not that they don't serve a purpose, it's that the majority of the people that own these things don't need them. I think that is where the rub comes in. Beyond that there are these things called "vans" that have been around for years. Many people who buy vehicles like this and cart their kids and groceries around would be better served by a minivan or van, but they just aren't "cool" like SUVs.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Amused
I will never understand all the pointless hate surrounding these vehicles or why people get so wound up over the choices other people make.

I've never had an SUV, but I'm considering one now because now I'm going to have a boat and motorcycle trailers to tow (I'm getting more time off and have new hobbies). I thought about a pickup, but an SUV just seems more useful to me.

I'm thinking of getting a Yukon Denali (about as big as the Excursion).

The funny thing is, most of the time I will be driving it, I will be alone and not towing a trailer... and the nanny-state busy bodies will automatically assume I don't need it and pass judgement.

Go figure.

LOL! How "Amusing". I was just reading this thread, we had an Excursion, the special edition with the deisel. We got around 14/17.

Traded it earlier this year for a Yukon Denali! The Denali is suprisingly roomy...about as roomy as the Excursion but not quite. The Denalis have all the bells and whistles though and are very smooth riding, comfortable and we get about 15/18 with it. Don't get the rear wheel steer though......their already having some wear problems with it according to M/T mag..

 

[Dari]

Why the bias against SUVs when there are $200,000-$300,000 vehicles on the road that average less than 12 mpg? Bias anyone?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Why do people here like ot piss and moan about large SUVs and their owners? There are some people with large families who actually need a vehicle capable of hauling more than 4 people in comfort. Give it a rest already...morons.

It's not that they don't serve a purpose, it's that the majority of the people that own these things don't need them. I think that is where the rub comes in. Beyond that there are these things called "vans" that have been around for years. Many people who buy vehicles like this and cart their kids and groceries around would be better served by a minivan or van, but they just aren't "cool" like SUVs.

Fact: A person who buys a large vehicle for a large family will only have it filled to capacity 50% of the time or, in most cases, a LOT less. That doesn't mean they do not need it.

Fact: You cannot tow a large boat or trailer with most if not all minivans. Many people who buy large SUVs buy them to tow. But most of the time, they are not towing (of course). That doesn't mean they do not neeed them.

Fact: A minivan cannot seat 6-7-8 people AND all their luggage camping/sports/whatever gear. It just isn't going to happen. The full size extended SUVs can do this with ease.

 

[MichaelD]

I liked the Excursion. It was an SUV version of an F250 pickup. Same front end sheetmetal and doors too.

Garages are too damn small. My SUV (Tooper) has a lift and moderate 33" tires; it barely fits into the garage in my apt. I've got about 3" of clearance up top; no roof rack for me. 🙁 I wanted one, too. 🙁

ps
No, I won't park it outside. We have hail the size of softballs here.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Why do people here like ot piss and moan about large SUVs and their owners? There are some people with large families who actually need a vehicle capable of hauling more than 4 people in comfort. Give it a rest already...morons.

It's not that they don't serve a purpose, it's that the majority of the people that own these things don't need them. I think that is where the rub comes in. Beyond that there are these things called "vans" that have been around for years. Many people who buy vehicles like this and cart their kids and groceries around would be better served by a minivan or van, but they just aren't "cool" like SUVs.

Who are you to judge what others need? Besides, vans (especially minivans) don't have the towing/hauling capabilites of a fullsize SUV which are built on a truck chassis.

I would agree that the majority of people who own them don't need a fullsize SUV and I couldn't care less if never saw another SUV so long as I live. It doesn't bother me when I do see them though.

 

[Thraxen]

Fact: A person who buys a large vehicle for a large family will only have it filled to capacity 50% of the time or, in most cases, a LOT less. That doesn't mean they do not need it.

Fact: You cannot tow a large boat or trailer with most if not all minivans. Many people who buy large SUVs buy them to tow. But most of the time, they are not towing (of course). That doesn't mean they do not d them.

Fact: A minivan cannot seat 6-7-8 people AND all their luggage camping/sports/whatever gear. It just isn't going to happen. The full size extended SUVs can do this with ease.

OK, and your point would be what exactly? All I said was most people do not need them.

Who are you to judge what others need? Besides, vans (especially minivans) don't have the towing/hauling capabilites of a fullsize SUV which are built on a truck chassis.

Blah, blah, blah. Damn people. Think. Again, I just said most people don't need them. I know what they can be used for, but that is not what most people actually do with them.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Fact: A person who buys a large vehicle for a large family will only have it filled to capacity 50% of the time or, in most cases, a LOT less. That doesn't mean they do not need it.

Fact: You cannot tow a large boat or trailer with most if not all minivans. Many people who buy large SUVs buy them to tow. But most of the time, they are not towing (of course). That doesn't mean they do not d them.

Fact: A minivan cannot seat 6-7-8 people AND all their luggage camping/sports/whatever gear. It just isn't going to happen. The full size extended SUVs can do this with ease.

OK, and your point would be what exactly? All I said was most people do not need them.

My point is: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

 

[jemcam]

The Thunderbird hasn't been produced since about 1997 or so.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Dari
Why the bias against SUVs when there are $200,000-$300,000 vehicles on the road that average less than 12 mpg? Bias anyone?

Talk about a moot point. How many $200-300k vehicles do you suppose are on the road that get 12 mpg? Are you talking about semi-trucks or Ferraris? Either way, your point is moot. :roll:

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Fact: A person who buys a large vehicle for a large family will only have it filled to capacity 50% of the time or, in most cases, a LOT less. That doesn't mean they do not need it.

Fact: You cannot tow a large boat or trailer with most if not all minivans. Many people who buy large SUVs buy them to tow. But most of the time, they are not towing (of course). That doesn't mean they do not d them.

Fact: A minivan cannot seat 6-7-8 people AND all their luggage camping/sports/whatever gear. It just isn't going to happen. The full size extended SUVs can do this with ease.

OK, and your point would be what exactly? All I said was most people do not need them.

Talk about "need"???

If everyone in the US especially just bought what they "need" a family of 3 would have a 1300sq. ft. house, 1 TV, 1 phone, etc. (you get the point) and the economy would be stale.

Oh, and BTW, the T-Bird has been back in production for 3 years now as a luxory sport car with a base tag of just under $60K.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Dari
Why the bias against SUVs when there are $200,000-$300,000 vehicles on the road that average less than 12 mpg? Bias anyone?

Talk about a moot point. How many $200-300k vehicles do you suppose are on the road that get 12 mpg? Are you talking about semi-trucks or Ferraris? Either way, your point is moot. :roll:

More semi trucks than SUVs... If you think that semi trucks aren't a good point from an environmental standpoint, then uh...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: jemcam
The Thunderbird hasn't been produced since about 1997 or so.

REALLY?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: EndGame

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Fact: A person who buys a large vehicle for a large family will only have it filled to capacity 50% of the time or, in most cases, a LOT less. That doesn't mean they do not need it.

Fact: You cannot tow a large boat or trailer with most if not all minivans. Many people who buy large SUVs buy them to tow. But most of the time, they are not towing (of course). That doesn't mean they do not d them.

Fact: A minivan cannot seat 6-7-8 people AND all their luggage camping/sports/whatever gear. It just isn't going to happen. The full size extended SUVs can do this with ease.

OK, and your point would be what exactly? All I said was most people do not need them.

My point is: YOU DON'T KNOW THAT.

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

 

[Fingers]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Fingers
I really liked them. Only SUV that I know of that was available in diesel and when you use that option they get comparable milage to explorer sized vehicals.

on't really know why people give them such a hard time about milage even the 6.8 liter V10 gets better milage than a H2.

Oh well now they are gonna produce more trucks which are much more functional and you still get all the advantages of the excursion.

Where did you see that?

Remember someone on here quoting an email from gm stating the milage was about 8 miles per gallon.



Edit: I hate the argument about they don't need that. You don't need an engine that will get a small car past 80 MPH either. You have one though. Don't you think you should do something about that to help the environment. Unless you ride a bike everyday it's not raining then give the environment argument a rest. It's getting really old.

 

[Stonehawk]

We use one for a command vehicle at my vollie fire department. Nice ride for the Chief 🙂

Stay safe all....

 

[Thraxen]

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

That is fvcking BS and you know it. Are you actually going to argue that most people who have big SUVs use them in this fashion? Spare me. That's simply ignorant. I know of far more people with big SUVs and no trailers of any kind than I do people who actually tow anything. Take a drive down any residental street and count the number of SUVs and count the number of trailers in sight. Get a clue.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Fingers

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Fingers
I really liked them. Only SUV that I know of that was available in diesel and when you use that option they get comparable milage to explorer sized vehicals.

on't really know why people give them such a hard time about milage even the 6.8 liter V10 gets better milage than a H2.

Oh well now they are gonna produce more trucks which are much more functional and you still get all the advantages of the excursion.

Where did you see that?

Remember someone on here quoting an email from gm stating the milage was about 8 miles per gallon.

My neighbors have an H2 and he says he gets 11mpg whether he's in town, on the hwy, fully loaded or empty.....

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

That is fvcking BS and you know it. Are you actually going to argue that most people who have big SUVs use them in this fashion? Spare me. That's simply ignorant. I know of far more people with big SUVs and no trailers of any kind than I do people who actually tow anything. Take a drive down any residental street and count the number of SUVs and count the number of trailers in sight. Get a clue.

You make me want to buy an Excursion.... remove the catalytic converters, and rig up some sort of device in the cargo area that did nothing but empty out hundreds of aerosol cans every day, aimed right at the ozone layer.

It's our planet as much as it is yours, so we can wreck it if we wanna. 😛

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

That is fvcking BS and you know it. Are you actually going to argue that most people who have big SUVs use them in this fashion? Spare me. That's simply ignorant. I know of far more people with big SUVs and no trailers of any kind that I do people who actually tow anything. Take a drive down any residental street and count the number of SUVs and count the number of trailers in sight. Get a clue.

More assumptions. This time with insults. Wow, just wow.

Again, you are ASSUMING that because you see people alone in their SUVs that they do not have large families and/or trailers to tow.

 

[EndGame]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

That is fvcking BS and you know it. Are you actually going to argue that most people who have big SUVs use them in this fashion? Spare me. That's simply ignorant. I know of far more people with big SUVs and no trailers of any kind than I do people who actually tow anything. Take a drive down any residental street and count the number of SUVs and count the number of trailers in sight. Get a clue.

Two points:

1) You must be refering to cities and if so, most neighborhoods have laws which prohibt parking boats and trailers in the drive or yard so most are in storage units.

2) Take a drive in rural areas, river access points, lakes, tracks, etc. and you'll see plenty of SUV's used for towing, transporting large families, and used to get around in snow or inclemet weather and even car pooling.

 

[Thraxen]

Again, you are ASSUMING that because you see people alone in their SUVs that they do not have large families and/or trailers to tow.

Haha... OK. Think as you wish. I'm probably wrong and there are thousands of trailers hidden is secret locals for all these SUVS I see around. Honestly, I don't really give a damn, but I'm not going to be willfully ignorant and pretend the majority of people buying them actually need them.

1) You must be refering to cities and if so, most neighborhoods have laws which prohibt parking boats and trailers in the drive or yard so most are in storage units.

2) Take a drive in rural areas, river access points, lakes, tracks, etc. and you'll see plenty of SUV's used for towing, transporting large families, and used to get around in snow or inclemet weather and even car pooling.

I live in area of the country where many people actually do use SUVS/trucks for hauling/on farms/etc... But it's still quite clear that the majority don't. It's rather obvious.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Dari
Why the bias against SUVs when there are $200,000-$300,000 vehicles on the road that average less than 12 mpg? Bias anyone?

Talk about a moot point. How many $200-300k vehicles do you suppose are on the road that get 12 mpg? Are you talking about semi-trucks or Ferraris? Either way, your point is moot. :roll:

More semi trucks than SUVs... If you think that semi trucks aren't a good point from an environmental standpoint, then uh...

Um, semis are actually used to haul stuff. They don't make money if they're not hauling. And when it comes to actually carrying cargo...bigger=more efficient.

SUVs are hated because they're an open sign of the wasteful lifestyles most people lead.

Originally posted by: Nebor
You make me want to buy an Excursion.... remove the catalytic converters, and rig up some sort of device in the cargo area that did nothing but empty out hundreds of aerosol cans every day, aimed right at the ozone layer.

It's our planet as much as it is yours, so we can wreck it if we wanna. 😛

He may have been insulting you, but honestly, why should the planet suffer because its defendents are morons?

I know you're not serious, but I never understood the whole "If you don't want people to pollute I'll pollute THREE TIMES AS MUCH!!" thing. It just seems remarkably immature and short-sighted.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

You are making that assumption based on seeing people alone in their SUVs and not towing a trailer. You have NO IDEA what size family they have or if they own a large boat or trailer.

That is fvcking BS and you know it. Are you actually going to argue that most people who have big SUVs use them in this fashion? Spare me. That's simply ignorant. I know of far more people with big SUVs and no trailers of any kind than I do people who actually tow anything. Take a drive down any residental street and count the number of SUVs and count the number of trailers in sight. Get a clue.

Word!
The folks I know admit to not using them in this manner. If they are purchased to tow stuff around, how come I have NEVER seen an excuse-my-heavy-iron hitched up to anything, ever? There are plenty of them in the Pacific Northwest, and plenty of horse and boat lovers towing trailers.
I see dually pickups getting used that way, but not excursions.