Topic Title: About time Ford killed it
Glad you posted this here. Over in P&N I get chastised for making such a post against all those Gas Guzzling Hogs in P&N that love their Gigantic SUV's.
Topic Title: About time Ford killed it
Glad you posted this here. Over in P&N I get chastised for making such a post against all those Gas Guzzling Hogs in P&N that love their Gigantic SUV's.
Ok.
I own a Dodge Grand Caravan, the '97 flavor, so I can say a few things here. Granted, though, I have the extended version of the platform.
First point you make: no arguments.
Second: Well, the 96-99 caravans were not available with Class 3 towing packages; It can tow my parent's 17ft searay without hassle, but not effortlessly.
However, the newer generation of Caravans can be factory outfitted for heavy towing. IIRC, most Ford minivans can be similarly outfitted, particularly the Freestar.
I don't have any lore about Honda, Hyundai, et al.
Buying a minivan doesn't mean you can't tow big stuff: it just means that you have to pay ~2 grand extra for a <30-grand car.
Third: While I wholeheartedly agree with you for the generic minivan, the extended versions can hold a full load of people and cargo.
Finally, I can fit 10 foot poles inside the car and shut the back door. Great stuff.
Even so, mine comes with the 'larger' 3.3 V6 engine....
Powerful? yes. 6.8 V8 powerful? no. 4WD? Heck no.
Nebor
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Attack Starbucks? Versace? Abercrombie and Fitch? Fine jewelers? Luxury home builders?
It's ridiculous to say that SUVs are a symbol of our wasteful lifestyles when all these other things are even MORE common and MORE wasteful. Pretty much no matter who you are, people in Africa will think you're a wasteful pig for the way you live, when they have NOTHING.
I hate the Excursion and H2 as well but I agree with what Amused said.
So what if my wife is alone in our MDX driving? Who are you to judge her bc of that? Maybe you would have to consider that I took the normal work car (a 4 door sedan) and she took the SUV because she gets home much earlier than I do and has to pick up the kids?
The next argument you SUV bashers are going to say is, why not get a station wagon? Well, I'll bet you've never driven a station wagon with 7 people in it or one with 2 child seats in the back. If you did, maybe then you'd realize a station wagon is nothing more than a sedan with extra trunk space.
The next argument would be why not a minivan? Well, how many minivans have AWD? 2? 3? Not much of a selection. Rewind back 2-3 years ago and I could think of only 1 minivan with AWD. I definitely need AWD in the winter in the northeast and especially on my hilly block.
Its funny reading the excuses SUV bashers constantly make. I'll bet when the mileage argument is gone once hybrid SUVs arrive, you'll come up with something else, like SUVs are too high or too heavy.
So what if my wife is alone in our MDX driving? Who are you to judge her bc of that? Maybe you would have to consider that I took the normal work car (a 4 door sedan) and she took the SUV because she gets home much earlier than I do and has to pick up the kids?
The next argument you SUV bashers are going to say is, why not get a station wagon? Well, I'll bet you've never driven a station wagon with 7 people in it or one with 2 child seats in the back. If you did, maybe then you'd realize a station wagon is nothing more than a sedan with extra trunk space.
The next argument would be why not a minivan? Well, how many minivans have AWD? 2? 3? Not much of a selection. Rewind back 2-3 years ago and I could think of only 1 minivan with AWD. I definitely need AWD in the winter in the northeast and especially on my hilly block.
Its funny reading the excuses SUV bashers constantly make. I'll bet when the mileage argument is gone once hybrid SUVs arrive, you'll come up with something else, like SUVs are too high or too heavy.
What nonsense. What lame argument.
Do you see these things eating oil? Do they get 8 mpg or less
:roll:...And they DO get attacked. Mind you, it's a lot easier to target something which represents a lot of waste at once (like an SUV), rather than something that doesn't seem like much by itself (like a single cup of Starbucks coffee). It's also easier to target something which is a consumable, wears out, or requires a constant input of materials to keep it running (like an SUV), rather than something which lasts for a long time (like a luxury house). The reason why SUVs are hated more than those other things is just psychological....they ARE all wasteful.
Me, I just heap scorn on the lot of 'em.
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You got it and to top it off, GM is already doing just that! GM will begin producing 2005 1/2 model year pkps which are hybrids and will produce 2006 4X4 pkps & SUV's which will be hybrids
You got it and to top it off, GM is already doing just that! GM will begin producing 2005 1/2 model year pkps which are hybrids and will produce 2006 4X4 pkps & SUV's which will be hybrids
Typical Elitist. No SUV "Bashers" will not be saying that because when they go Hybrid and get at least 20 mpg you will be at least doing better than a POS from 1973.
Although it is a smaller SUV ford is already selling a hybrid escape. Friend of mine is a dealer and they are in such high demand you pretty much can't get one. From what he told me a month ago pretty much all of the 2005's are spoken for. Either you get lucky and find one or you will have to order a 2006 now and wait for it.
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I don't know why people bitching about these. I have a similar vechile a F350 but mines lifted has aftermarket lockers, big heavy tires with lots of rolling resistance and masses about 1000 more lbs due to other mods and I get 21MPG. That's better than any SUV you know of.
As far as ride, it kinda sucks until you go really fast over rough roads due to stiff suspension. the faster the better. Reason being it has heavy duty stright axels for heavy duty stuff like snow plowing, towing and hauling massive loads.
If just a family hauler and occational boat hauler it's a poor choice IMO. Chevys tahoes and GMC Yukons/denalis ride like caddilacs in comparison.
As far as ride, it kinda sucks until you go really fast over rough roads due to stiff suspension. the faster the better. Reason being it has heavy duty stright axels for heavy duty stuff like snow plowing, towing and hauling massive loads.
If just a family hauler and occational boat hauler it's a poor choice IMO. Chevys tahoes and GMC Yukons/denalis ride like caddilacs in comparison.
Yeah, I knew that but also knew that they were only the smaller versions. GM will be producing and selling full size pkps this spring and full size 4X4 pkps & SUV's next Fall.
My MDX get 17/23. On the highway, I can sometimes average 26 mpg. My SUV weighs 4400lbs.
Where are all the complaints about S500s, 7 series, etc. that get much worse mileage and probably weigh more? Oh, I forgot they are not high enough.
Originally posted by: EndGame
Yeah, I knew that but also knew that they were only the smaller versions. GM will be producing and selling full size pkps this spring and full size 4X4 pkps & SUV's next Fall.
I havn't heard anything yet, but I'm watching and waiting for ford to step it up to the explorer. I could see myself getting one of those. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before hybrid vehicals will be the norm.
That's not a gas engine though is it? Even still, my brother has an F350 crew cab with the 8' bed, duals and the powerstroke and he only gets 17mpg. BUT, he gets that whether he is pulling a 30' gooseneck or empty!
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Originally posted by: Amused
elitist???
The elitists are those who think they have the right to judge what others drive.
i have as much right to judge you for what you drive as you have the right to drive what you want.
you driving your SUV irks me, me judging you irks you. its a win-win situation. lets give each other a hug
Originally posted by: EndGame
That's not a gas engine though is it? Even still, my brother has an F350 crew cab with the 8' bed, duals and the powerstroke and he only gets 17mpg. BUT, he gets that whether he is pulling a 30' gooseneck or empty!
You should check out the new 6.0 liter diesel. I just traded my old 350 in and this thing is awesome I've seen 25 MPG on this thing at times. The old powerstroke really took a beating in the milage dept if you were going over 70 MPH on the highway, but this new setup brings the best of both worlds. Much more powerfull too.
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Originally posted by: EndGame
That's not a gas engine though is it? Even still, my brother has an F350 crew cab with the 8' bed, duals and the powerstroke and he only gets 17mpg. BUT, he gets that whether he is pulling a 30' gooseneck or empty!
Diesel 7.3L which is much more economical. I have friends with V-10 and V-8 getting 12-14
I told them get diesel but they never listened and hate themselves now with 2.25+ gas. I have 145K on engine with no issue and was told it will last to 500K, doubt the truck will last that long. 
Amused
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Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
elitist???
The elitists are those who think they have the right to judge what others drive.
i have as much right to judge you for what you drive as you have the right to drive what you want.
you driving your SUV irks me, me judging you irks you. its a win-win situation. lets give each other a hug
Yes, you have every right to be an elitist, busy-body, nanny-state supporting prick. I never argued that you didn't.
Aharami
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Aharami
Originally posted by: Amused
elitist???
The elitists are those who think they have the right to judge what others drive.
i have as much right to judge you for what you drive as you have the right to drive what you want.
you driving your SUV irks me, me judging you irks you. its a win-win situation. lets give each other a hug
Yes, you have every right to be an elitist, busy-body, nanny-state supporting prick. I never argued that you didn't.
haha. that actually made me laugh
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: EndGame
That's not a gas engine though is it? Even still, my brother has an F350 crew cab with the 8' bed, duals and the powerstroke and he only gets 17mpg. BUT, he gets that whether he is pulling a 30' gooseneck or empty!
Diesel 7.3L which is much more economical. I have friends with V-10 and V-8 getting 12-14
Yeah you will never have to worry about your engine, just change the oil and don't forget to prime the filter and it will last forever. My old one had just shy of 400,000 miles on it when I traded it in and the only problem was a minor electrical problem that was cause by it being submurged 4 feet under mud and water.
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Originally posted by: Fingers
Originally posted by: EndGame
That's not a gas engine though is it? Even still, my brother has an F350 crew cab with the 8' bed, duals and the powerstroke and he only gets 17mpg. BUT, he gets that whether he is pulling a 30' gooseneck or empty!
You should check out the new 6.0 liter diesel. I just traded my old 350 in and this thing is awesome I've seen 25 MPG on this thing at times. The old powerstroke really took a beating in the milage dept if you were going over 70 MPH on the highway, but this new setup brings the best of both worlds. Much more powerfull too.
I heard those get 25+ sometimes...incredible. drive train stock I used to get 22 when going 70 though with banks power pack and 2000 7.3L..
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