About those jobs Trump is going to bring back from China...

[HamburgerBoy]

The difference is that for much of the last 200 years, we also didn't intentionally shoot for a pipe dream of infinite population growth. We allowed mass starvation, war, and genocide to keep those that couldn't take care of themselves in check. The survivors pick up the remains, enjoy post-war/disaster economic booms, rinse and repeat. Now it's effortless to grow enough food for the entire world to eat, but now we have a consumption bubble as a result.

 

[vampirefo]

Any job Trump brings back or creates is one more than Obama did.

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[Jhhnn]

The difference is that for much of the last 200 years, we also didn't intentionally shoot for a pipe dream of infinite population growth. We allowed mass starvation, war, and genocide to keep those that couldn't take care of themselves in check. The survivors pick up the remains, enjoy post-war/disaster economic booms, rinse and repeat. Now it's effortless to grow enough food for the entire world to eat, but now we have a consumption bubble as a result.

Who's shooting for infinite population growth? People who support honest sex-ed, free birth control & abortion on demand or some other group?

We're already employing non-coercive means to control population growth in this country & most of Europe. It's part of the progress we've made that nearly eliminates the scourges of war, famine & disease. Hell, much of Trump Country has been experiencing negative population growth for decades. Negative population growth is actually abig problem in some countries-

http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/zero.htm

It's a huge problem when productive workers age out & fewer youngsters are alive to support the economy.

Which has jack shit to do with bringing back jobs from China.

 

[Jhhnn]

Any job Trump brings back or creates is one more than Obama did.

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Bullshit-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LREM25TTUSM156S

 

[vampirefo]

Bullshit-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LREM25TTUSM156S

I don't care nor read links posted by trash, (Democrats).

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[Jhhnn]

I don't care nor read links posted by trash, (Democrats).

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Post-truth, Baby! Post-truth all the way!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Who's shooting for infinite population growth? People who support honest sex-ed, free birth control & abortion on demand or some other group?

We're already employing non-coercive means to control population growth in this country & most of Europe. It's part of the progress we've made that nearly eliminates the scourges of war, famine & disease. Hell, much of Trump Country has been experiencing negative population growth for decades. Negative population growth is actually abig problem in some countries-

http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/zero.htm

It's a huge problem when productive workers age out & fewer youngsters are alive to support the economy.

Which has jack shit to do with bringing back jobs from China.

You are, last I heard. You believe that we should have perpetual population growth because it's how we keep social safety nets afloat. I agree that Christian conservatives are horrible on this issue, worse than most liberals. I would love to see religious fundamentalism eradicated from the typical conservative platform. Neither major side has a plan to deal with our population issues.

Regional negative population growth =/= negative population growth. People born in Trump country are relocating to the (increasingly congested and water-limited) cities, they're not just disappearing. I hope you realize the USA has grown by 40 million since 2000. Negative population growth is a problem in countries like Japan because they foolishly worship and slave away for their elders. They've had a stagnant economy for decades, some of the highest suicide rates in the world, and the highest elderly/young ratio in the world. You're falling right into the trap again; yes, it is a problem when we have more old people than young people. But guess what? Most people young people eventually turn into old people too. "More young people" is just another way of saying "Ponzi scheme yes please".

We're talking about automation and the declining value of humans, not China. If you'd like to though, unlike Americans, the Chinese are smart and responsible and consciously restricted reproduction to minimize disaster. Easier to support a family when you have just one child.

 

[vampirefo]

Post-truth, Baby! Post-truth all the way!

Democrats don't know the truth, anything they think is a lie, they are simply brain dead.

Go spread your truth with other dead beat welfare addicted Democrats.

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[1prophet]

Automation has been in full swing for decades now and its only going to continue where robotics are more cost effective to do the work. A company is in no way obligated to give you a job when they can perform the work saving your pay and benefit costs by installing a robot to do it. This is exactly why people need to stop complaining and take some proactive steps like get a degree in an in demand field.

Automation the new bogeyman to keep the eroding middle class off the neo liberal globalists who are treating human beings like commodities to be exploited and then discarded, and the parrots here are regurgitating their bullshit propaganda.

". A company is in no way obligated to give you a job when they can perform the work saving your pay and benefit costs by installing a robot to do it. "

Except when they need customers and cry about how bad sales are due to the eroding purchasing power of the middle class.

"This is exactly why people need to stop complaining and take some proactive steps like get a degree in an in demand field."

Yep, stop complaining, go get educated, move up the ranks, and now at the height of your career you make a little to much, you speak your mind a little to freely, and of course you are a little to old, so in come your replacement H1-b's for you to train, but don't despair you got all that edumacation, unfortunately your are too good now for any employer because they tell you are overqualified for the position you are willing to take for half pay.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Humans are commodities. What is your solution, ban automation?

 

[Jhhnn]

You believe that we should have perpetual population growth because it's how we keep social safety nets afloat.

I never said that. We can just as easily maintain our lifestyles by taxing the ownership class & redistributing the funds whether they choose to provide jobs or not.

We're obviously not willing to do that, not yet, so we use population growth as an alternative. This is a country enormously rich in natural resources that can easily sustain a considerably larger population than we already have. Growth is traditionally the only way that ordinary people in this country get a sliver of the pie. Until we're willing to use alternate means of distribution than we already do it's what buffers us against the predatory nature of Capitalism & the notion that profits are infinite.

 

[Maxima1]

You are, last I heard. You believe that we should have perpetual population growth because it's how we keep social safety nets afloat.

The federal government can't default. It is monopoly issuer of its own currency. So no, social safety nets don't need a large stock of young workers constantly coming in. This is plainly evident with Japan.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I never said that. We can just as easily maintain our lifestyles by taxing the ownership class & redistributing the funds whether they choose to provide jobs or not.

We're obviously not willing to do that, not yet, so we use population growth as an alternative. This is a country enormously rich in natural resources that can easily sustain a considerably larger population than we already have. Growth is traditionally the only way that ordinary people in this country get a sliver of the pie. Until we're willing to use alternate means of distribution than we already do it's what buffers us against the predatory nature of Capitalism & the notion that profits are infinite.

Not in those exact words, no. Your message is clear though; safety nets need a constant supply of young workers (at least as they are set up right now).

Why do we need to sustain a larger population? Our natural resources won't last forever, which should be obvious considering we now have to basically break into mountains and shake things up to extract oil locally. On what metric do you make your claim that growth allows people "a sliver of the pie"? Do you think that $X divided between three million people is better for those people than $X/2 for one million people? The poorest are those with the least competitive value and the most desperate for crumbs. Increasing their numbers benefits no one other than the elites looking for cheap labor. Profits aren't "infinite", but they are indefinite. Natural resources are quite finite until we discover some amazing new recycling or matter-out-of-nothing-inator.

The federal government can't default. It is monopoly issuer of its own currency. So no, social safety nets don't need a large stock of young workers constantly coming in. This is plainly evident with Japan.

Japan, the definition of a healthy nation and economy with the highest debt/GDP ratio in the world, negative interest rates, the longest hours worked, and the highest suicide rate, lol.

 

[agent00f]

Too bad that education is still meaningless to most jobs available. Very few jobs can't be automated. Electricians and plumbers will be replaced by robots later than B.S.-holding pipetting lab monkeys.

I recall showing you data clearly demonstrating the effect of education on field/salary. It's similarly obvious that the simplest jobs exempt from synthesizing info would be the first to be automated, but presumably more info wouldn't help here either.

 

[MongGrel]

And if everybody does that then there will be an over supply of qualified applicants & wage depression in those fields.

That has already been happening in many upper level manufacturing jobs for a long time now, of course.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Automation the new bogeyman to keep the eroding middle class off the neo liberal globalists who are treating human beings like commodities to be exploited and then discarded, and the parrots here are regurgitating their bullshit propaganda.

". A company is in no way obligated to give you a job when they can perform the work saving your pay and benefit costs by installing a robot to do it. "

Except when they need customers and cry about how bad sales are due to the eroding purchasing power of the middle class.

"This is exactly why people need to stop complaining and take some proactive steps like get a degree in an in demand field."

Yep, stop complaining, go get educated, move up the ranks, and now at the height of your career you make a little to much, you speak your mind a little to freely, and of course you are a little to old, so in come your replacement H1-b's for you to train, but don't despair you got all that edumacation, unfortunately your are too good now for any employer because they tell you are overqualified for the position you are willing to take for half pay.

Snowflake do you have a safe room to hide in?

 

[Jhhnn]

Not in those exact words, no. Your message is clear though; safety nets need a constant supply of young workers (at least as they are set up right now).

Why do we need to sustain a larger population? Our natural resources won't last forever, which should be obvious considering we now have to basically break into mountains and shake things up to extract oil locally. On what metric do you make your claim that growth allows people "a sliver of the pie"? Do you think that $X divided between three million people is better for those people than $X/2 for one million people? The poorest are those with the least competitive value and the most desperate for crumbs. Increasing their numbers benefits no one other than the elites looking for cheap labor. Profits aren't "infinite", but they are indefinite. Natural resources are quite finite until we discover some amazing new recycling or matter-out-of-nothing-inator.



Japan, the definition of a healthy nation and economy with the highest debt/GDP ratio in the world, negative interest rates, the longest hours worked, and the highest suicide rate, lol.

Heh. Japan has achieved your ideal zero population growth & all the problems associated with it. They're not #1 is suicides, either-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

 

[Puffnstuff]

That has already been happening in many upper level manufacturing jobs for a long time now, of course.

Globalization requires constant improvement and employees must actively engage in professional development to improve their value and usefulness over the lifetime of their careers to remain viable in this climate. Our competitors are constantly improving themselves and taking business away from those companies who are not. The days of making whatever and knowing that people will buy it are gone. Removal of product scarcity requires constant improvement and if we aren't learning we can't improve ourselves.

Complaining about this truth will not change it and being caught up in it myself required a change on my part to keep pace which I've done. I looked at the career fields that were in demand and switched to HR which is climbing in usefulness across the board. HR is a strategic asset and is responsible for shaping a company's employees into alignment with the strategic vision and mission.

 

[Jhhnn]

Globalization requires constant improvement and employees must actively engage in professional development to improve their value and usefulness over the lifetime of their careers to remain viable in this climate. Our competitors are constantly improving themselves and taking business away from those companies who are not. The days of making whatever and knowing that people will buy it are gone. Removal of product scarcity requires constant improvement and if we aren't learning we can't improve ourselves.

Complaining about this truth will not change it and being caught up in it myself required a change on my part to keep pace which I've done. I looked at the career fields that were in demand and switched to HR which is climbing in usefulness across the board. HR is a strategic asset and is responsible for shaping a company's employees into alignment with the strategic vision and mission.

Taking care of #1 is always a good idea but it's no way to run a country.

Did you just get back from a corporate seminar, or what?

 

[Puffnstuff]

Did you just get back from a corporate seminar, or what?

Just stating the facts brother.

 

[MongGrel]

Globalization requires constant improvement and employees must actively engage in professional development to improve their value and usefulness over the lifetime of their careers to remain viable in this climate. Our competitors are constantly improving themselves and taking business away from those companies who are not. The days of making whatever and knowing that people will buy it are gone. Removal of product scarcity requires constant improvement and if we aren't learning we can't improve ourselves.

Complaining about this truth will not change it and being caught up in it myself required a change on my part to keep pace which I've done. I looked at the career fields that were in demand and switched to HR which is climbing in usefulness across the board. HR is a strategic asset and is responsible for shaping a company's employees into alignment with the strategic vision and mission.

HR does not produce much.

I've seen a lot of cute little straight out of college girls in those spots to be honest.

It seems to one of their niches these days.

 

[agent00f]

HR does not produce much.

I've seen a lot of cute little straight out of college girls in those spots to be honest.

It seems to one of their niches these days.

HR protects corp interests, from employees. This is obviously important, to the corp.

 

[rudder]

The good news is they may come back to the US. The bad news is you may need to look like this to apply for them:

http://monetarywatch.com/2017/01/ch...-workers-robots-sees-250-production-increase/



Let's recap, 250% increase in production, 80% drop in defects with 90%+ fewer employees.

Why do leftists hate America so much? Robots building iphones and other electronics is coming whether those robots are powered by the Chinese power grid or U.S. power grid. I for one would rather have the manufacturing in the U.S.

Plus conditions for these workers are horrible. But what so you care... as long as you can play angry birds jedi edition on your iphone right?

 

[rudder]

There was some socialist who ran on a platform of affordable higher ed so that at least future generations won't be as useless and deplorable, but your peers don't care much for that edumacating.

College was actually afforable before all the government money that was put into the system.

Plus not everyone needs college. There is still a lot of demand for highly skilled workers. But i guess these people are worthless unless they spend $150,000 on a college education.

 

[senseamp]

Any job Trump brings back or creates is one more than Obama did.

Only after he matches Obama's 15 million new jobs. With unemployment at sub 5%, that ain't happening.