About gun ownership

[xj0hnx]

I need more support. Could you buy me a H&K Mark 23.

I found one in Bulgaria for only $800, I should have jumped on it, but I don't think I could have gotten it back to the states

 

[highland145]

I found one in Bulgaria for only $800, I should have jumped on it, but I don't think I could have gotten it back to the states

But they would like your $$ anyway and hold it for you.

 

[monovillage]

1. Research your State and local laws.

2. Check with a local gun shop for self/home defense training classes and take them.

3. Buy whichever firearm you are most comfortable with, new technology is available if you think it's needed for limiting access to firearms from children.

4. In the aftermath of any confrontation the Police are not your friends, always request a lawyer before answering any questions.

 

[highland145]

Only if you buy me that nice 870 posted a few posts up.

Guy just brought a H&R topper model 88 12ga. Will that do?:sneaky:

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/showthread.php/85569-H-amp-R-Topper-88-12ga-Shotgun

 

[nick1985]

But isn't this a requirement in lethality? Why does a weapon have to kill to disable an intruder? The effectiveness of their threat will be almost null with a slug in muscle tissue, the shots need not have the ability to spill out the back of them.

If an intruder has the physical ability to take it and keep going for you why would any injury short of immediate death deter them? We are not talking about a BB gun here, a slug an inche or 2 into flesh is going to hurt just as much as one that travels through to the other side. If they can put up with that pain, short of a kill shot you'd be hard pressed to stop them (what proportion of shots would be immediately lethal by an individual of average ability, if it is low it is likely that that kind of individual criminal would get a shot of at you regardless of your weapon of choice)

They recommend 12 inches because the intruder is not shirtless. He might be wearing a heavy down jacket. That 2 inches of penetration you were relying on is now 0 inches. Catch my drift?

 

[lord_emperor]

Hand guns are illegal in Canada.

Not exactly. A license is required which as far as I can tell just requires you pass a few safety tests.

I like this "Castle Doctrine", if someone threatens me with harm, especially in my own home, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all rights and should be met with maximum force to remove the threat permanently.

 

[Atreus21]

Not exactly. A license is required which as far as I can tell just requires you pass a few safety tests.

I like this "Castle Doctrine", if someone threatens me with harm, especially in my own home, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all rights and should be met with maximum force to remove the threat permanently.

I wish it were possible to gauge how many crimes the castle doctrine has deterred.

 

[palehorse]

They recommend 12 inches... That 2 inches of penetration you were relying on is now 0 inches.

That's what she said.

 

[xj0hnx]

In S.C., that includes your vehicle. Def.: motorized or non-motorized means of conveyance. Guess that includes my mountain bike.

Here in Texas subsection (e), of Section 2. states;

(e) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before using force as described by this section.

Which translates into anywhere you are, and legally have the right to be the Castle Doctrine applies, whether at home, in your car, at the store, at work, walking the dog ...where ever.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not exactly. A license is required which as far as I can tell just requires you pass a few safety tests.

I like this "Castle Doctrine", if someone threatens me with harm, especially in my own home, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all rights and should be met with maximum force to remove the threat permanently.

Maximum force isn't what the Castle Doctrine is about. It's about you being able to use the necessary force to protect yourself and your property. Police can certainly blow your head off, but that's not generally the first action they would take.

 

[highland145]

Here in Texas subsection (e), of Section 2. states;

(e) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before using force as described by this section.

Which translates into anywhere you are, and legally have the right to be the Castle Doctrine applies, whether at home, in your car, at the store, at work, walking the dog ...where ever.

That's why it's called the great state of......right?

 

[Daedalus685]

Not exactly. A license is required which as far as I can tell just requires you pass a few safety tests.

I like this "Castle Doctrine", if someone threatens me with harm, especially in my own home, as far as I'm concerned he has forfeited all rights and should be met with maximum force to remove the threat permanently.

You can own a sports shooting pistol but you may not own ammo, it must be locked at all times unless at a range, the ammo can only be purchased at time of use at a range. Collectible guns can be owned with licence but the regulations on ammo for them is different, I'm not sure if the ammo for them is even legal.

 

[highland145]

Maximum force isn't what the Castle Doctrine is about. It's about you being able to use the necessary force to protect yourself and your property. Police can certainly blow your head off, but that's not generally the first action they would take.

In S.C. it's not about your property. Just self/fam. Guy can kick your door in and snatch your T.V. and you can't "legally" shoot him if you're not threatened.

 

[nick1985]

In S.C. it's not about your property. Just self/fam. Guy can kick your door in and snatch your T.V. and you can't "legally" shoot him if you're not threatened.

Or you can just shoot him and say he threatened you. The fuck if anyone is walking into my house and taking my new TV.

 

[Daedalus685]

Or you can just shoot him and say he threatened you. The fuck if anyone is walking into my house and taking my new TV.

I bet the cops have a pool for who goes the longest in a year without hearing "I swear officer, they tried to kill me."

 

[nick1985]

I bet the cops have a pool for who goes the longest in a year without hearing "I swear officer, they tried to kill me."

Seems like a dumb pool.

 

[highland145]

Or you can just shoot him and say he threatened you. The fuck if anyone is walking into my house and taking my new TV.

Agree. He WILL have some type of weapon.

Pics of t.v.?

 

[nick1985]

Pics of t.v.?

 

[highland145]

Yep. He will definitely have a weapon.

 

[palehorse]

When I was a teen, my friend's father -- who, at the time, was a director of operations for a Federal Law Enforcement Agency -- told my friend and I one thing: If you shoot someone in your house, make sure they're dead. Dead men tell no tales.

That lesson has stayed with me to this day and remains my philosophy on home defense. If you come into my house uninvited and pose a threat to my family, my possessions, or myself, you won't leave my home alive. Period.

God forbid, if it ever happens in my home, I only hope it doesn't make too big a mess. I really hate cleaning. Maybe I can get them to stand in my shower before I shoot them, or something...

 

[nick1985]

Yep. He will definitely have a weapon.

He will need some sort of heavy wrench to get that thing off the wall, I figure that would count as a weapon :awe:

 

[squirrel dog]

Might ought to think about getting a dog.A real dog,not a yap yap dog.Look around your local shelter for German Shepard pups,or see a breeder.No one wants to confront a big dog.Plus get a weapon or two and I would get steel doors/bars on windows.I've lived in Louisiana for over fifty years and can count on one hand the times I have had to go to New Orleans,all but one on business.

 

[Atreus21]

When I was a teen, my friend's father -- who, at the time, was a director of operations for a Federal Law Enforcement Agency -- told my friend and I one thing: If you shoot someone in your house, make sure they're dead. Dead men tell no tales.

That lesson has stayed with me to this day and remains my philosophy on home defense. If you come into my house uninvited and pose a threat to my family, my possessions, or myself, you won't leave my home alive. Period.

I can understand that sentiment, but as much as I support castle law, I don't think I'd adhere to it. It's a bit too harsh. If I just capped a guy in my house and he's on the floor bleeding out, I'm not gonna walk up to him and put a pill in his head. If he still had a gun I might.

I'm not saying you'd be that barbaric.

 

[xj0hnx]

Nice which model is that? 50"? I just picked up a LG 50PK550, awesome set.

 

[nick1985]

I can understand that sentiment, but as much as I support castle law, I don't think I'd adhere to it. It's a bit too harsh. If I just capped a guy in my house and he's on the floor bleeding out, I'm not gonna walk up to him and put a pill in his head. If he still had a gun I might.

I'm not saying you'd be that barbaric.