Abortion

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I think people should make their own choices...

I think OREOSpeedwagon is pro-death.

lol I just think that if the mother (or father, if he doesn't ditch them) don't have time to take care of the kid (i.e. if they're in college and working full time too, only home a few hours of the day) than it's probably better to get an abortion. if the kid is not going to get raised right, it'd be worse for the kid....

So let's go into the inner city and kill all the disadvantaged kids?

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

No a child shouldn't die. That is why you have an abortion.

 

[oniq]

Anti-inner city over population

 

[Garet Jax]

I think it is far better to not have an unwanted child than to have one. The only person who pays for the unwanted child is the child.

Having had a child, I can't imagine ever aborting one except for any of the reasons the OP gave. I just love mine too much.

Who knows.

 

[raanemaan]

I read this statement once. Why is it the people who are already born get to decide? I'm not saying all abortions are unneeded but I know some people personally who make a good argument for involuntary sterilization. Harsh but true. Their being irresponsible has no excuse in the day and age when birth control is so easy to get.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I think people should make their own choices...

I think OREOSpeedwagon is pro-death.

lol I just think that if the mother (or father, if he doesn't ditch them) don't have time to take care of the kid (i.e. if they're in college and working full time too, only home a few hours of the day) than it's probably better to get an abortion. if the kid is not going to get raised right, it'd be worse for the kid....

So let's go into the inner city and kill all the disadvantaged kids?

no, thats not our decision to make.... I just think if a kid is going to be raised like crap and not cared for than it would be better off if the mom got an abortion before it has to go through any of that.

 

[Gurck]

I don't condone the actions of the whore in question, but see no problem with aborting the fetus.

 

[DanJ]

So of the pro-life people here. Do you also think we should have universal health-care so that *after* these babies are born to parents who can't afford to support them and get them proper health care, can live at least lives without fear of health issues?

I find a lot of people who are pro-life are against any sort of universal health care; somewhat implying that they only care about the child when its unborn...

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

Is a zygote a child? Is an embryo a child?

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Did she use it in the context of abortion or adoption?

Good point. You're getting your panties all in a bunch and the text you quoted could easily mean "not give up for adoption."

here is the qoute from the column: (btw, I'm not getting my panties in a bunch, the column just makes me think)

As for deciding if you want to keep the baby, you need open-minded counselling immediately. Klinic offers drop in counselling and 24-hour free phone councelling staffed by volunteers. Womens Health Clinic is staffed by women doctors and also very sympathetic to women in trouble. Tell the receptionist your urgent problem, and they'll fit you in quickly.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

Is a zygote a child? Is an embryo a child?

Yes.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: DanJ
So of the pro-life people here. Do you also think we should have universal health-care so that *after* these babies are born to parents who can't afford to support them and get them proper health care, can live at least lives without fear of health issues?

I find a lot of people who are pro-life are against any sort of universal health care; somewhat implying that they only care about the child when its unborn...

Adoption. There are thousands of couples who want to adopt, but can't find a child.

 

[TheBDB]

What if a woman uses birth control and a man wears a condom AND he pulls out....and she still gets pregnant. Should they be required to have the baby even though she is a whore and they are irresponsible? :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Most of these things come up after reading the advice columns in my newspaper each morning.

Today there was a young girl (22) who left her boyfriend of 2 years because she cheated on him (he doesn't know this though). She finds out that she is pregnant from the guy that she cheated with. The advice columnist helps her with her different options regarding going back to her old boyfriend, confronting the guy she cheated with, and staying with her father. Then she adds in "if you decide to keep the child..."...

The way I look at abortion is that it should not just be used as a form of birth control. I think that a person should be free to abort a child if it is conceived by means of rape, if there is sufficient evidence that the child will be born with severe illness/defects, or if the pregnancy will pose harm to the mother.

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

What do you guys think of my opinion?

I think your opinion makes slaves of women. I think no one has a right to tell anyone else what they may, and may not do to thier body.

Here's a neat thing to think about:

How about we attach Richard Simmons to your body. To remove him would kill him, but not you. What would you choose to do?

At the root of the issue: No one, not even a fetus, has a right to force another person to allow it to be biologically dependant on it. That sacrifices the woman's rights for the fetus.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

Is a zygote a child? Is an embryo a child?

Yes.

Actually, the truth is, we don't know. But if we don't know, we can't just say "well, for the sake of convenience, let's say it's not". In fact, the entire medical community will agree that in the case of a life, the most prudent choice must be taken. In this case, it would be to assume that life starts upon conception, unless proven otherwise.

 

[raanemaan]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

Is a zygote a child? Is an embryo a child?

My $.02 once a egg is fertilized and the cells start reproducing then it is alive.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: TheBDB

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: TheBDB

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

I don't believe a child should have to live with their parents mistake.

But should a child die because of their parent's mistake?

No a child shouldn't die. That is why you have an abortion.

Killing the child in utero is still killing the child.

 

[Amorphus]

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I think people should make their own choices...

I think OREOSpeedwagon is pro-death.

lol I just think that if the mother (or father, if he doesn't ditch them) don't have time to take care of the kid (i.e. if they're in college and working full time too, only home a few hours of the day) than it's probably better to get an abortion. if the kid is not going to get raised right, it'd be worse for the kid....

So let's go into the inner city and kill all the disadvantaged kids?

no, thats not our decision to make.... I just think if a kid is going to be raised like crap and not cared for than it would be better off if the mom got an abortion before it has to go through any of that.

So a baby is not a human being, since it hasn't passed the birthing process? Those kids in the inner cities have an overwhelming chance of becoming delinquents and otherwise being raised poorly. By your argument, then, children should not be allowed to live if their life doesn't meet up to your standards of "good".

 

[UnatcoAgent]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: z0mb13
I am pro choice

Also

It's getting hot in here

 

[Wuffsunie]

I think it's wrong and shouldn't be done except in the circumstances you listed.

At the same time, I don't believe it's something that should be outlawed right now. We can't even take care of all the people we have around here NOW, why should we bring in any more than we have to?

To answer your question more directly, I'm okay with it now.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Amused
How about we attach Richard Simmons to your body. To remove him would kill him, but not you. What would you choose to do?

In my case, he'd be dead faster than if he were in prison But then, I'm not one of the pro-lifers.

My question to the pro-lifers: Every time a man masturbates or a woman menstruates, the possibility of having a child is being flushed down the drain - often literally. Likewise for oral/anal sex, likewise when birth control is used, etc. Actually a man and a woman can have intercourse without the use of any birth control and still not conceive. By your logic, isn't murder occurring in all of the above circumstances?

 

[royaldank]

If it takes open abortion laws to keep some people from having kids, I'm all for it. Anyone can get one, I don't care. If someone gets pregnant accidently and wants to get one, be my guest. Last thing we need are more parents that never wanted to be parents or at least not at that time. I also think abortions should be very easily accessable in the ghettos and slums. These are people that shouldn't be forced into having a kid should they not have condoms or protection.

 

[DWW]

I'm pro-choice...when it doesn't weigh on the lives of others.

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Amorphus

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
I think people should make their own choices...

I think OREOSpeedwagon is pro-death.

lol I just think that if the mother (or father, if he doesn't ditch them) don't have time to take care of the kid (i.e. if they're in college and working full time too, only home a few hours of the day) than it's probably better to get an abortion. if the kid is not going to get raised right, it'd be worse for the kid....

So let's go into the inner city and kill all the disadvantaged kids?

no, thats not our decision to make.... I just think if a kid is going to be raised like crap and not cared for than it would be better off if the mom got an abortion before it has to go through any of that.

So a baby is not a human being, since it hasn't passed the birthing process? Those kids in the inner cities have an overwhelming chance of becoming delinquents and otherwise being raised poorly. By your argument, then, children should not be allowed to live if their life doesn't meet up to your standards of "good".

how many people remember what it's like before they were born? no one. they will not care if they live or not, hell they don't even know what life means before they're born. if you know the kid is going to live a sh!tty life, why make them go through it?

 

[The Green Bean]

So we have a right to kill, and the child doesnt have a right to live? Im 'fraid the discussion should end there. A child inside isnt a human until its born ALIVE. It might not be a human but still, it has a right to be born. Us human shouldnt be the ones to control who should be born and who shouldnt. Lets leave that to GOD.