Abortion

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates
Here's what I said............................

"But I do find it interesting that many of the same people who cry out
against the death penalty are the very ones who cry for the right of
abortion and others that spend their lives protecting some form of animal or plant life
to an extreme have no problems with abortion."

The irony between lack of care for the unborn and the high regard for other life forms is rich.

Ah, so only pro-choice people can't feel either way about capital punishment in your view?

I haven't read any anti-abortion sites to come up with that "tidbit". I'm simply
pointing out a question that still hasn't been answered no matter how much
attack is thrown at those who care about the unborn.

Is a baby still a baby if it's not wanted? Or does it magically turn into a cell mass?

Where did you get it then? It's anecdotal at best, something I've never heard, and reeks of bs. And despite all that, I answered it already anyway. It's a baby in neither case btw.

 

If I was a girl and I had an unwanted pregnancy, I would have an abortion, no if ands or buts about it.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates
Here's what I said............................

"But I do find it interesting that many of the same people who cry out
against the death penalty are the very ones who cry for the right of
abortion and others that spend their lives protecting some form of animal or plant life
to an extreme have no problems with abortion."

The irony between lack of care for the unborn and the high regard for other life forms is rich.

Ah, so only pro-choice people can't feel either way about capital punishment in your view?

I haven't read any anti-abortion sites to come up with that "tidbit". I'm simply
pointing out a question that still hasn't been answered no matter how much
attack is thrown at those who care about the unborn.

Is a baby still a baby if it's not wanted? Or does it magically turn into a cell mass?

Where did you get it then? It's anecdotal at best, something I've never heard, and reeks of bs. And despite all that, I answered it already anyway. It's a baby in neither case btw.

Point 1.
People can and do "feel" different ways about any subject. My statement was that
"many" have a problem with capital punishment but have no problem with abortion.

Point 2.
I didn't find the statement anywhere. I'm simply asking a question that I thoght
of that leads a person into thought and reflection about the answer to the question.
Why to some is the "wanted" fertilized egg a baby and to some it's just
a "few cells" or "mass of cells"?

Okay......I have the final word then........it's a baby in neither case.

So let's say the "wanted" fertilized egg is allowed to grow and development
of said "wanted" fertilized egg is as normal for it's peers that have happened
during the course of history. Generally somewhere around 9 months that
"whatever you want to cal it" usually is expelled by the female in a birth process.

When and if that day ever happens what would you call the "thing" that emerges
from the mother?

The abortionists have learned that you don't put a face or a name on the "thing"
you are getting rid of. It makes it a lot easier for the female to deal with the
situation. But you don't see a lot of women who come forward to say "I'm glad
and I'm happy that I had an abortion do you? How many women have said
that it had a positive impact on their lives?

We live in a society where abortions can be had and they are legal but that doesn't
mean that they are a benefit to society as a whole.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates
Here's what I said............................

"But I do find it interesting that many of the same people who cry out
against the death penalty are the very ones who cry for the right of
abortion and others that spend their lives protecting some form of animal or plant life
to an extreme have no problems with abortion."

The irony between lack of care for the unborn and the high regard for other life forms is rich.

Ah, so only pro-choice people can't feel either way about capital punishment in your view?

I haven't read any anti-abortion sites to come up with that "tidbit". I'm simply
pointing out a question that still hasn't been answered no matter how much
attack is thrown at those who care about the unborn.

Is a baby still a baby if it's not wanted? Or does it magically turn into a cell mass?

Where did you get it then? It's anecdotal at best, something I've never heard, and reeks of bs. And despite all that, I answered it already anyway. It's a baby in neither case btw.

Point 1.
People can and do "feel" different ways about any subject. My statement was that
"many" have a problem with capital punishment but have no problem with abortion.

Point 2.
I didn't find the statement anywhere. I'm simply asking a question that I thoght
of that leads a person into thought and reflection about the answer to the question.
Why to some is the "wanted" fertilized egg a baby and to some it's just
a "few cells" or "mass of cells"?

Okay......I have the final word then........it's a baby in neither case.

So let's say the "wanted" fertilized egg is allowed to grow and development
of said "wanted" fertilized egg is as normal for it's peers that have happened
during the course of history. Generally somewhere around 9 months that
"whatever you want to cal it" usually is expelled by the female in a birth process.

When and if that day ever happens what would you call the "thing" that emerges
from the mother?

The abortionists have learned that you don't put a face or a name on the "thing"
you are getting rid of. It makes it a lot easier for the female to deal with the
situation. But you don't see a lot of women who come forward to say "I'm glad
and I'm happy that I had an abortion do you? How many women have said
that it had a positive impact on their lives?

We live in a society where abortions can be had and they are legal but that doesn't
mean that they are a benefit to society as a whole.

So you made this up? I figured it at least had some basis in reality, if only the reality of being on some uberchristian website... Anyway, I never heard of anyone naming their fetus, but then I'm in a liberal & democratic area surrounded on all sides by miles and mile of the same. Maybe that's how it's done in the bible belt. Here was the answer btw:

Originally posted by: Gurck
for the most part people are impressionable, women moreso, and a large group of people, mostly men, who really don't care about abortion but rather control and power are screaming at them that it's wrong. It might be how a few abortion patients offset the unnecessary feeling of guilt shoved wrongly at them.

I'll assume you're male since like 99% of people here are. Do you name each individual sperm that you produce? This can go back and forth for weeks, maybe months Regardless of presentation though, what you're saying is that life begins at conception while it's my contention that though it begins gradually, the arbitrary time to say it begins is ~halfway through pregnancy. Nothing will change on either side. But nyah nyah the law's on mine

ps. calling pro-choice people 'abortionists' isn't accurate; many would not themselves do it, but rightfully agree that it's not their place to control others' lives. Thankfully, level heads have prevailed in legislation, at least on this issue. As today's younger folk grow older the scale should tip farther in Choice's favor.

 

[jyates]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: jyates
Here's what I said............................

"But I do find it interesting that many of the same people who cry out
against the death penalty are the very ones who cry for the right of
abortion and others that spend their lives protecting some form of animal or plant life
to an extreme have no problems with abortion."

The irony between lack of care for the unborn and the high regard for other life forms is rich.

Ah, so only pro-choice people can't feel either way about capital punishment in your view?

I haven't read any anti-abortion sites to come up with that "tidbit". I'm simply
pointing out a question that still hasn't been answered no matter how much
attack is thrown at those who care about the unborn.

Is a baby still a baby if it's not wanted? Or does it magically turn into a cell mass?

Where did you get it then? It's anecdotal at best, something I've never heard, and reeks of bs. And despite all that, I answered it already anyway. It's a baby in neither case btw.

Point 1.
People can and do "feel" different ways about any subject. My statement was that
"many" have a problem with capital punishment but have no problem with abortion.

Point 2.
I didn't find the statement anywhere. I'm simply asking a question that I thoght
of that leads a person into thought and reflection about the answer to the question.
Why to some is the "wanted" fertilized egg a baby and to some it's just
a "few cells" or "mass of cells"?

Okay......I have the final word then........it's a baby in neither case.

So let's say the "wanted" fertilized egg is allowed to grow and development
of said "wanted" fertilized egg is as normal for it's peers that have happened
during the course of history. Generally somewhere around 9 months that
"whatever you want to cal it" usually is expelled by the female in a birth process.

When and if that day ever happens what would you call the "thing" that emerges
from the mother?

The abortionists have learned that you don't put a face or a name on the "thing"
you are getting rid of. It makes it a lot easier for the female to deal with the
situation. But you don't see a lot of women who come forward to say "I'm glad
and I'm happy that I had an abortion do you? How many women have said
that it had a positive impact on their lives?

We live in a society where abortions can be had and they are legal but that doesn't
mean that they are a benefit to society as a whole.

So you made this up? I figured it at least had some basis in reality, if only the reality of being on some uberchristian website... Anyway, I never heard of anyone naming their fetus, but then I'm in a liberal & democratic area surrounded on all sides by miles and mile of the same. Maybe that's how it's done in the bible belt. Here was the answer btw:

Originally posted by: Gurck
for the most part people are impressionable, women moreso, and a large group of people, mostly men, who really don't care about abortion but rather control and power are screaming at them that it's wrong. It might be how a few abortion patients offset the unnecessary feeling of guilt shoved wrongly at them.

I'll assume you're male since like 99% of people here are. Do you name each individual sperm that you produce? This can go back and forth for weeks, maybe months Regardless of presentation though, what you're saying is that life begins at conception while it's my contention that though it begins gradually, the arbitrary time to say it begins is ~halfway through pregnancy. Nothing will change on either side. But nyah nyah the law's on mine

ps. calling pro-choice people 'abortionists' isn't accurate; many would not themselves do it, but rightfully agree that it's not their place to control others' lives. Thankfully, level heads have prevailed in legislation, at least on this issue. As today's younger folk grow older the scale should tip farther in Choice's favor.

I'm sure Pro-choice is a more palatable name than Pro-Abortion but you can name it
any way you want the end result is the same.

Sperm without the egg is just sperm....I don't know why you have to revert to talking about
naming sperm? That has nothing to do with a fertiziled egg. But good job at trying to throw
the discussion off instead of dealing with the subject of Abortion which is what the OP was
about

 

[Klixxer]

Pro choice here, whether it is abortion or suicide.

I find it disgusting that pro lifers don't adopt every child in sight, save a life you @ssholes, put your money where your mouth is!

But nooooo, it's not like YOU ever had to MAKE that choice, is it, it's not like you will EVER have to make the choice.

It would be funny if it wasn't so damn tragic, these are the same people who will be yapping about supporting unwanted children with THEIR precious tax money.

The hipocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

 

[0roo0roo]

no kidding, the only people who have any real moral high ground for argueing pro life are the few that adopt children, not those goddamned picketing ninnys.

 

[Nightfall]

Originally posted by: SampSon
If I was a girl and I had an unwanted pregnancy, I would have an abortion, no if ands or buts about it.

I have to agree with this statement.

Let me go along with that and say this should be a choice made by the woman in question. It is, after all, her body. I have no problem with any woman making a choice on that. Who am I to determine what people do to their bodies. If that was the case, smoking is bad for you so there shouldn't be any of that. Drinking is also bad for you in excessive amounts, so why not get rid of that too?

It is just insane. At least to me.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Klixxer
Pro choice here, whether it is abortion or suicide.

I find it disgusting that pro lifers don't adopt every child in sight, save a life you @ssholes, put your money where your mouth is!

But nooooo, it's not like YOU ever had to MAKE that choice, is it, it's not like you will EVER have to make the choice.

It would be funny if it wasn't so damn tragic, these are the same people who will be yapping about supporting unwanted children with THEIR precious tax money.

The hipocrisy is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

Ummm. There are long waiting list to adopt newborns.

 

[PizzaDude]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon

Originally posted by: DWW

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
This is America. It's not your life, stay out of it.

Devil's Advocate for a pro-lifer: if you were walking down the street and you saw a thug beat down a woman, shoot and kill her--should you stay out of it cause its not your life (this IS America afterall)?

you have a choice whether or not to get involved, this is america

Not speaking legally, why do you support abortion?

Because people make mistakes and accidents happen. And YOU, out of ANYONE, should not run someone elses life.

Also because a child shouldn't be forced to live with a parent who doesn't want to have that child.

Yes, you're right there is adoption, but the child will always know they were neglected by their real mother/parents.

 

[PizzaDude]

Forgot something:

For the people opposing abortion, I almost want to ask "Why do you care what someone else does with their baby?" If you unintentionally became pregnant and you oppose abortion, go ahead and have the baby.

However, the option to have an abortion should be AVAILABLE to you and EVERYONE ELSE. Just because you oppose it doesn't mean you should take that option away from someone else who supports it.

If a woman chooses to have an abortion, it does not affect you in any way besides the fact that you don't agree with the practice(given you are unrelated and unassociated at all).

However, if you pass a law saying a woman should not be allowed to have an abortion, you are directly affecting a HUGE element of their life.

Be pro-choice. I'll do what I want, and you can do what you want. My actions wont affect you, and yours wont affect me.

 

[Konigin]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Most of these things come up after reading the advice columns in my newspaper each morning.

Today there was a young girl (22) who left her boyfriend of 2 years because she cheated on him (he doesn't know this though). She finds out that she is pregnant from the guy that she cheated with. The advice columnist helps her with her different options regarding going back to her old boyfriend, confronting the guy she cheated with, and staying with her father. Then she adds in "if you decide to keep the child..."...

The way I look at abortion is that it should not just be used as a form of birth control. I think that a person should be free to abort a child if it is conceived by means of rape, if there is sufficient evidence that the child will be born with severe illness/defects, or if the pregnancy will pose harm to the mother.

I don't believe that women should be allowed to abort a child on the grounds that they used bad judgement and made a mistake.

What do you guys think of my opinion?

I think abortion should only be used in extreme cases, i.e. rape, but most women only use abortion in cases of bad judgement and argue they have a right to it. They know what they are doing, but they don't care. As long as they can fvck around and not worry because its legal to get an abortion whenever the hell they feel like it, it must be ok.