Abortion Views

[minendo]

After reading LukFilm's Thread about his pregnant ex and everyone's views on abortion I got to thinking (yeah it hurts).

[*]What are you views on abortion?
[*]Why do you hold these views?
[*]Is there a situation in which you think it is right? Wrong?

This is to be a seious discussion and not some damn thread that you try to high jack. If you don't have valid comments, do not press the damn reply button.

 

[pyonir]

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[Beau]

Mixed on this: abortion is acceptable given the right circumstances, but because those circumstances are so hard to define, I find myself lost.

 

[Pastore]

uber gay

 

[bmacd]

Originally posted by: Beast1284
uber gay

-=bmacd=-

edit: post fixed. Actually, me and my gf got into the abortion talk. She believes in it and justifies it...i however, could not see justifying the death of a baby. That's what the pill is for or emergency crisis centers. There are also other alternatives to death, despite retardation/rape child/serious defects.

-=bmacd=-

 

[Chaotic42]

I'm against abortion in all cases except for those in which the child or mother might be severely injured or killed, or when the baby will be mentally retarded.

No one knows exactly when the lump of flesh turns into a human being, and it's best not to take chances. There are many families waiting to adopt.

People who want abortions after accidentally becoming pregnant anger me. It's your own fault if this happens. As for rapes, well, I'm not too sure. I suppose case-by-case is, as usual, the best way to go about determining the validity of such a move, given it's magnitude.

 

[amnesiac]

I think it should be legal through the first trimester.
The conservatives can retain their view that it's "murder" but you really have to think about the ramifications of their agenda which is the outright ban of abortion.
It will just increase the amount of illegal abortions causing more danger to the mother.
Also, the argument that the fetus at 1-3 monthis is a "living breathing human being" capable of thought and feeling pain is not well substantiated.

/* statement resigned until further notice */


I do think that there should be provisions to prevent abortion from becoming a fix for irresponsibility though, such as limiting it to when giving birth would be hazardous for the mother, in case of rape, or if the child will be incapable of living a normal life (e.g. severe defects...but I guess that most don't manifest until later on).
I do support abortion without the above reasons but it should be limited to 1 every 5 years or something so women can't use it as a substitute for common sense.

 

[HendrixFan]

Im personally for choice, but I do have a quesiton for pro-lifers. I understand why some of you would allow abortion in the case where the mother's life is in danger; but I dont understand why some of you consider it okay if it is the result of incest or rape. As far as Im concerned, abortion is not murder (lets not try and debate that here, Ill not go down that road today) and therefore Im able to support it. But if you believe abortion is murder, how can you support murder if there is rape or incest? Again, I understand choosing between the life of the mother or both if the mother is in danger; I just dont see how rape or incest are a factor if you believe it is murder.

Someone please clarify that for me, I really want to find out.

 

[Czar]

What are you views on abortion?
- I'm for it in most cases

Why do you hold these views?
- Because I belive in individual choice.

Is there a situation in which you think it is right? Wrong?
- Wrong, when its used as "birth control", as in when irresponsible people have unprotected sex and then deal with it afterwards by having an abortion, shows that people cant handle responsibility at all. Right, like when teenagers end up pregnant. When parents cant support a extra family member. When the mother is in danger of dying during birth. And so on.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0
I think it should be legal through the first trimester.
The conservatives can retain their view that it's "murder" but you really have to think about the ramifications of their agenda which is the outright ban of abortion.
It will just increase the amount of illegal abortions causing more danger to the mother.
Also, the argument that the fetus at 1-3 monthis is a "living breathing human being" capable of thought and feeling pain is not well substantiated.

It stands to reason that if the child will be given up for adoption or drowned in a toilet or raised in an unloving environment you might as well save it the trouble of having a horrible life.


I do think that there should be provisions to prevent abortion from becoming a fix for irresponsibility though, such as limiting it to when giving birth would be hazardous for the mother, in case of rape, or if the child will be incapable of living a normal life (e.g. severe defects...but I guess that most don't manifest until later on).
I do support abortion without the above reasons but it should be limited to 1 every 5 years or something so women can't use it as a substitute for common sense.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Legally, i don't think the govt should make abortion illegal. I don't think this is an area the govt is qualified to make a decision.

personally / morally i'm against abortion. it's not an absolute rule, there are exceptional cases where i can see it happening, but in general no abortions.

 

[Mill]

Abortion to me is morally wrong. For now our government allows it. All I can do is vote for canidates that feel the same for me and hope it gets overturned by the SC eventually. You would never see me protesting abortion though. People who have an abortion and work at clinics have enough problems as it is. They don't need some fools yelling at them. My best friend had an abortion. It really was a downturn in her life.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
Im personally for choice, but I do have a quesiton for pro-lifers. I understand why some of you would allow abortion in the case where the mother's life is in danger; but I dont understand why some of you consider it okay if it is the result of incest or rape. As far as Im concerned, abortion is not murder (lets not try and debate that here, Ill not go down that road today) and therefore Im able to support it. But if you believe abortion is murder, how can you support murder if there is rape or incest? Again, I understand choosing between the life of the mother or both if the mother is in danger; I just dont see how rape or incest are a factor if you believe it is murder.

Someone please clarify that for me, I really want to find out.

Oldest pro-abortion argument there is. Rape and incest account for so few of pregnancys it is hard to tell. Personally even though I am a "pro-lifer." The morning after pill would be suitable for rape and for incest that is just fvcked.

 

[vi edit]

Also, I heard an interesting statistic from the local newspaper - 30% of abortions are from women who are married. Sort of steals some of the thunder out of the pro-lifers that think that abortions are done only by wreckless teenagers without any sense of responsibility.

The article did not go into detail to say what percentage of that 30% were in situations where the mother would die if an abortion was not performed.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0

It stands to reason that if the child will be given up for adoption or drowned in a toilet or raised in an unloving environment you might as well save it the trouble of having a horrible life.

What the f*** does that mean? I'm a whole lot happier being alive than having had someone decide that adoption would have led to me "having a horrible life" and killing me. Jackass.

 

[Adul]

me sit back in chair with popcorn.

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0

It stands to reason that if the child will be given up for adoption or drowned in a toilet or raised in an unloving environment you might as well save it the trouble of having a horrible life.

What the f*** does that mean? I'm a whole lot happier being alive than having had someone decide that adoption would have led to me "having a horrible life" and killing me. Jackass.

Yup, attack the person, not their views. Great way to argue your case.
Maybe I should have clarified that statement; I edited for brevity and didn't mean to use it as a blanket statement for all adoptees.
I shall amend it as follows:
There are cases where a child will be put up for adoption in a condition or area where their likelihood of adoption is virtually nil (such as inner city areas with high instances of mother with substance abuse problems). In this case, the child may very well be subjected to subpar conditions until they are 18 when they are released upon the world. IMO that can be just as bad as being raised in an abusive environment.

If you still disagree with me, I am sorry, but again, the choice is up to the mother; if she doesn't want to give her child the chance, I don't think she should be stopped by the government. She ultimately pays for her decision as well.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0

It stands to reason that if the child will be given up for adoption or drowned in a toilet or raised in an unloving environment you might as well save it the trouble of having a horrible life.

What the f*** does that mean? I'm a whole lot happier being alive than having had someone decide that adoption would have led to me "having a horrible life" and killing me. Jackass.

Yup, attack the person, not their views. Great way to argue your case.
Maybe I should have clarified that statement; I edited for brevity and didn't mean to use it as a blanket statement for all adoptees.
I shall amend it as follows:
There are cases where a child will be put up for adoption in a condition or area where their likelihood of adoption is virtually nil (such as inner city areas with high instances of mother with substance abuse problems). In this case, the child may very well be subjected to subpar conditions until they are 18 when they are released upon the world. IMO that can be just as bad as being raised in an abusive environment.

If you still disagree with me, I am sorry, but again, the choice is up to the mother; if she doesn't want to give her child the chance, I don't think she should be stopped by the government. She ultimately pays for her decision as well.

I know people who were abused and lived sh!t lives until they were 18. They are doing fine now. I am glad you or someone else didn't decide to "abort" them for being an inconvience or because you were helping them not to have a life. Thanks.

 

[mastertech01]

I am against abortion on demand from women who really havent thought it out long and hard, not to mention the morality factor. Ive seen many, years later, who lived with guilt and sadness, especially after finally having children to keep. Even more so if they later have children with birth defects, and wonder if thier previous abortion was the cause. Long term effects psychologically on the woman can be serious.

 

[Tominator]

Just quit using my tax money to promote and fund abortions and you can kill all the kids you want!:|

 

[xospec1alk]

i believe it is the choice of the mother
i think no one except the person actually carrying the baby should decide what is good for herself

 

[Tominator]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i believe it is the choice of the mother
i think no one except the person actually carrying the baby should decide what is good for herself

So 8 months into the pregency she has a fight with her boyfriend and decides to kill it.

You MIGHT convince me into retro-active abortions!
:|

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i believe it is the choice of the mother
i think no one except the person actually carrying the baby should decide what is good for herself

What about the father? The child is technically half his in that he provided half. What if the mother does not want the child yet the father is ready to fully support the unborn child?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i believe it is the choice of the mother
i think no one except the person actually carrying the baby should decide what is good for herself

What about the father? The child is technically half his in that he provided half. What if the mother does not want the child yet the father is ready to fully support the unborn child?

That is what I always said. Why doesn't the father have any say?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Tominator

Originally posted by: xospec1alk
i believe it is the choice of the mother
i think no one except the person actually carrying the baby should decide what is good for herself

So 8 months into the pregency she has a fight with her boyfriend and decides to kill it.

You MIGHT convince me into retro-active abortions!
:|

you do know that abortions are not done if the pregnancy has lasted over 3 months