JulesMaximus
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Explain to me how killing a baby that's 8 months 29 days a "right"? What's the difference between killing an unborn 8 month 29 day baby and a born 1 day old baby (9 months 31 days)?
Originally posted by: JS80
What about the "choice" the girl made to receive sperm into her vagina?
Simply irrelevant. I won't even argue that.
No need to ask the board for the basis of the right. Just read Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey, it's all there.
From what I understand, it is illegal to have an abortion that late in the game.
And that said, I believe a woman has the right to decide if she wants to terminate a pregnancy at any stage. It is something she will have to live with for the rest of her life. Just because I think that it is wrong to terminate a pregnancy doesn't mean that all women feel that way about their body and their choices.
Okay, so what about the examples you gave? Your "examples" are extreme cases and NOT the scenario surrounding 95+% of the abortions that occur around the world every day. With your logic, we should allow people to kill strangers that they encounter just in case 1 of them was a mass murderer that had not yet been discovered. You ar taking vtreme and presnting them as the everyday norm. HOWEVER, they are not. the avg abortion happens with teens in crisis or women that "CHOOSE" not to act responsibly in the 1st place.
JulesMaximus
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I'm not actively promoting my Anti-SUV brigade asswipe. Show my one single thread I've made promoting it. Hell, Dug777 is really the founder. I just took the idea and dropped it in my sig. People are free to join if they wish.
Our government kills people every day. For a group that holds life in such high regard they sure don't seem to have any problem taking it. Collateral damage? Oh, we feel badly about it so it's okay.
i've read roe v wade, it's about privacy which makes no fvcking sense. there is a clear difference between killing a baby because you don't want him and killing him because having him threatens your health. you can't lump the 2 together.
I still stand by my statement that I believe this is a womans right issue and that by taking away a woman's right to choose is a step backwards in the womans right movement.
I agree with the poster who said this thread is all about punishing the woman for being sexual. Look at all the "SHE made the choice to have a kid when SHE chose to not use 2 forms of birth control"
There is no way I could justify not allowing a 14 year old girl who made a mistake because her home life wasn't very good to not have an abortion should she choose it.
Furthermore, women have been aborting babies for many years and by making it illegal it simply becomes dangerous.
That said, if you want to make abortion illegal, then you might as well also arrest women who do drugs or smoke or drink or even eat fast food when they are pregnant because they are abusing their fetus.
Originally posted by: Arkitech
My wife is 7 months along in her pregnacy and it's so amazing to me to see how new life is developing and growing. Even though the baby is still forming he responds to my voice and my wife's, it's an incredible experience.
Now I realize not every child has the benefit of being born to a pair of loving parents, in some cases babies are born to totally unfit and possibly unstable people. Then there are the cases where some unfortunate women have become the victim of rape and I can totally sympathize with why they feel the need to go for an abortion. But for the most part it seems to me that many people choose abortion because they don't want the responsibility. It's really sad, in fact it's downright heartbreaking because every abortion is taking away the life from a helpless child. Everyone gets up in arms when they hear of child porn, child abuse, molestation and any other atrocity (sp?) commited against kids but why does'nt that type of feeling extend to unborn babies. After all they're the most helpless and have the least means of defending themselves.
I don't want this to degenerate into a flamefest I just felt like stating something I feel strongly about and hopefully sparking some intelligent discussion.
i can give some intelligent discussion, but you won't like what i say and it'll start a flame war. (Actually, looks like it's already started.
people feel just as strongly for keeping the right of abortion as you feel against it. there was no reason to open this thread.
The minor can CHOOSE to talk to parents or not. It's her option. That's true choice, not forcing the minor to consult her parents first.
I agree completely. The procedure can actually be medically necessary.
In 2001 the US government passed a bill to stop funding to all planned parenthood organisations that said anything about abortion except "don't do it". Many women's health clinics in many impoverished nations lost their funding because they mentioned abortion as a choice a woman has.
JulesMaximus
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That is such a crock of sh!t. Planned Parenthood helps people deal with medical and reproductive issues. When I became sexually active my GF and I went to Planned Parenthood for birth control. We were in a relationship and it was nice to have that option. Thank GOD for Planned Parenthood because without it I might have become a father much much earlier than planned...and with the wrong woman.
Hell, you want to take this to extremes? Every one of you whacking off are killing babies!!!
:music:Every Sperm is Sacred! Every Sperm is Good!:music: :roll:
Read Planned Parenthood v. Casey. It reinforces constitutional support for abortion by stating that it's not only privacy, but also liberty in general that makes it legal.
Until the constitution is amended to make an unborn embryo a citizen, there can be no practical argument against abortion that could actually result in change.
The only other route would be to fill the court with politically biased justices to overturn this precedent and sh!t all over stare decisis, which would be an incredible abuse of the judicial branch's power and a failure of the checks and balances system this country is built on.
Where did I ever imply that? Nope, I didn't.
Please explain to me why a man should have any rights over the fetus.
Because without the man, you wouldn't have a baby in the first place. It's not ONLY the woman that makes having a baby possible. Why should a father be prevented from being able to make a decision? A father shouldn't just be ignored while his child, his own flesh and blood, is murdered.
I think it comes down to whether you think a fetus is a baby or not. If so, the man would consider himself the father and as such would want to have the rights of a parent. If you don't think a fetus is a baby then that argument won't make sense. That's the trouble with these "debates"- there are two diametrically opposed viewpoints involved. Neither side is going to agree with the other so it turns into a big circle-jerk. People get offended when someone disagrees and it becomes something ugly.
Cause the father's body isn't being used by the fetus. The father should be completely ignored when a woman decides what to do with her body. Unless you support rape.
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