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scruffles

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i just got my board in and i have the lights on and the screen works, can get to the bios etc. I had trouble installing my raptor sata drive though. couldn't get it to recognize. There wasn't a way for me to get drivers in with no floppy. So i put another drive in, recognized it and formatted fine but once windows was installed it wouldn't boot to windows. can't tell if this is the problem everyone is talking about. I figured if i got this far it's probably not my power supply.(20 pins by the way) Any reason you can come up with for my drive not working? It's ide so there are no drivers to install.

any help is greatly appreciated

dustin
 

FastEddie

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No MrVeedo I said that most of the remainder of the problems had to do with the geographical area between the keyboard and the chair.
 

MrVeedo

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Originally posted by: FastEddie
No MrVeedo I said that most of the remainder of the problems had to do with the geographical area between the keyboard and the chair.

my thoughts exactly, but you really seem to be pounding on dual rail psu's, and quite frankly, i dont see a whole lot of proof that these are causing problems. if we could get an asus engineer over to these forums and explain how the board draws its power, or get someone to start taking measurements that believes they have a malfunctioning psu, then i might believe it.
 

FastEddie

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scruffles--No, it only lights up the secondary PCI-E port. You'd need it if you had your single card installed there, or if you run two cards.

MrVeedo Your right. I have been pounding them! They wern't designed for SLI. I can't see why you can't grasp my point. Because they are being used doesn't mean that they. by proxy, become acceptable. The design sux for SLI, the implementation of the dual rail psu as it presently exists sux for this kind of application. The first few days of setting these boards up, there were alot of peeps that had problems in maxing out the second rail in dual rail psu's when using dual graphics cards. Lots of them. And it's funny, that if that wasn't really the problem, how come it went away by mearly swapping out to a decent single rail unit? Granted, most of the peeps were using the 15a/15a dual rail units that were having the problems. Now, 15a isn't that far away from 18a is it?

Run your psu flat out, I don't care. I just can't see anyone recommending or advocating this current dual rail technology as it exists today when the better option is to use a single rail psu with a baseline of 25a on the 12v rail. Hell, they are even cheaper to buy! ;)
 

barkeley

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Originally posted by: MrVeedo
Originally posted by: FastEddie
No MrVeedo I said that most of the remainder of the problems had to do with the geographical area between the keyboard and the chair.

my thoughts exactly, but you really seem to be pounding on dual rail psu's, and quite frankly, i dont see a whole lot of proof that these are causing problems. if we could get an asus engineer over to these forums and explain how the board draws its power, or get someone to start taking measurements that believes they have a malfunctioning psu, then i might believe it.

And as I already said, few want to take this ASUS board as the reference for what SLI needs or not and from that blame the PSU. MSI SLI board specification is 18A minimum for 12v rail. Not 24.
When one of those suspected PSU will prove to fail too on Gigabyte, MSI and DFI, it will be time to reconsider. In the meantime, if one has a good, powerful and expensive PSU he may consider to change the motherboard....
 

F4810

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Originally posted by: MrVeedo
Originally posted by: FastEddie
No MrVeedo I said that most of the remainder of the problems had to do with the geographical area between the keyboard and the chair.

my thoughts exactly, but you really seem to be pounding on dual rail psu's, and quite frankly, i dont see a whole lot of proof that these are causing problems. if we could get an asus engineer over to these forums and explain how the board draws its power, or get someone to start taking measurements that believes they have a malfunctioning psu, then i might believe it.

Well I agree with you too. I have asked a few times to know what exactly is powered by each rail and it seems that its only the CPU on one of the neopowers rails - the 15amp one. I am not sure if this is correct and from what ASUS and Antec were saying this also supplies the mobo as well as the other rail that supplies 18a via the ATX connector. Now if it was only the CPU then I would need to work out what current everything else drew off the 18a rail. As far a stability I dont have a voltmeter.
 

TheNiceGuy

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FE- good points, but you're wasting your breath.
wingding- see my previous post.

I'll be getting my OCZ soon, and let you guys know the single/dual difference.
 

scruffles

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hello, anybody help me with my sata raptor 74 gig? i can run my asus sli, no problem, with another hard drive, but it won't recognize the raptor. The raid software see's it, but windows itself won't recognize it as a drive. Anything simple i might be doing wrong?

pls help, it's much appreciated, thanks

by the way, i'm currently running a 3500+ 64 w/120 gig hd, 1 6600gt, 1 gig corsair, nec 16x dvd +- all on my 350 watt stock antec psu that came with the 3500AMB case
 

MrVeedo

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have you tried looking at it under disk management? theres been a few people having problems with ncq drives, you could also try flashing to a different beta bios. theres a pretty big thread over at hardforum on this problem.
 

FastEddie

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Originally posted by: scruffles
hello, anybody help me with my sata raptor 74 gig? i can run my asus sli, no problem, with another hard drive, but it won't recognize the raptor. The raid software see's it, but windows itself won't recognize it as a drive. Anything simple i might be doing wrong?

pls help, it's much appreciated, thanks

by the way, i'm currently running a 3500+ 64 w/120 gig hd, 1 6600gt, 1 gig corsair, nec 16x dvd +- all on my 350 watt stock antec psu that came with the 3500AMB case

Start a fresh thread scruffles. ;)

 

scruffles

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nvm, didn't realize that there wer 2 sata 1 slots, need to put single sata in black sata 1 slot, NOT RED!!!
 

el burninator dapeoples

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i have had the absolute worst luck with this board. at first i thought this power issue was the problem, even though my issues were slightly different than everyone elses. my system was running really stable, but putting any stress on my gfx card at all, my system crumbled to bsods and reboots.

i was running a 500w ultra x-connect and ditched it for a thermaltake silent pure power 560, but the same issues are happening still. im seriously at a loss here. ive swapped memory, hdd, video and now psu. nothing... the only thing left is the mb or proc, and all i can say is @##$%^%#%^@.

and of course i found this thread AFTER i exchanged my PSU, and almost had a heart attack thinking i might have purchased a 2 rail unit. i have spec-searched this board to death and still i find new things i needed to know about it yesterday.

looking at the 12v rail on this unit, it says it can take up to 22a, and only running a single hdd, a cdrw and a dvdrw with a single 6600gt, there should be more than enough to go around.

im running everything stock and most things are set to auto. ive tried relaxing my mem timings and still nothing. god knows how many times ive reinstalled the os.

ive got an ide hdd in now, and someone earlier mentioned problems with the nvidia ide controllers, so im wndering if i should let windows detect generic controllers... anyone?

also whats wierd is that doom 3 will play at low res, but what ive noticed is that if i scan hardware for optimal settings, it automatically choses medium @ 640x480. wtf is up with that? its almost like the forceware driver isnt even being recognized. i know this isnt a 2x6800ultra rig, but cmon, its not medium quality. something is NOT right about this.

ut2k4 bsods in minutes, and the entire time it runs, the cpu is freaking out at 100% usage. i first thought this might be thermally related, but my proc is really good at staying under 40c.

so my only conclusion here is that somewhere my bios settings are wrong, or my motherboard is absolutely wack.



 

bradley

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Originally posted by: el burninator dapeoples
i have had the absolute worst luck with this board. at first i thought this power issue was the problem, even though my issues were slightly different than everyone elses. my system was running really stable, but putting any stress on my gfx card at all, my system crumbled to bsods and reboots.

i was running a 500w ultra x-connect and ditched it for a thermaltake silent pure power 560, but the same issues are happening still. im seriously at a loss here. ive swapped memory, hdd, video and now psu. nothing... the only thing left is the mb or proc, and all i can say is @##$%^%#%^@.

and of course i found this thread AFTER i exchanged my PSU, and almost had a heart attack thinking i might have purchased a 2 rail unit. i have spec-searched this board to death and still i find new things i needed to know about it yesterday.

looking at the 12v rail on this unit, it says it can take up to 22a, and only running a single hdd, a cdrw and a dvdrw with a single 6600gt, there should be more than enough to go around.

Interesting, because here's an instance where the supply is a high-quality single rail, and there's adequate amperage on the +12V line. At 22a, you're right in line, if not well above what's recommended by Asus -- even in SLI mode. I'm really starting to wonder whether the absence of a true 24-pin connector is the main cause of the problems. Or perhaps it really is a quality issue with the motherboard.

 

FastEddie

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Originally posted by: el burninator dapeoples
i have had the absolute worst luck with this board. at first i thought this power issue was the problem, even though my issues were slightly different than everyone elses. my system was running really stable, but putting any stress on my gfx card at all, my system crumbled to bsods and reboots.

i was running a 500w ultra x-connect and ditched it for a thermaltake silent pure power 560, but the same issues are happening still. im seriously at a loss here. ive swapped memory, hdd, video and now psu. nothing... the only thing left is the mb or proc, and all i can say is @##$%^%#%^@.

and of course i found this thread AFTER i exchanged my PSU, and almost had a heart attack thinking i might have purchased a 2 rail unit. i have spec-searched this board to death and still i find new things i needed to know about it yesterday.

looking at the 12v rail on this unit, it says it can take up to 22a, and only running a single hdd, a cdrw and a dvdrw with a single 6600gt, there should be more than enough to go around.

im running everything stock and most things are set to auto. ive tried relaxing my mem timings and still nothing. god knows how many times ive reinstalled the os.

ive got an ide hdd in now, and someone earlier mentioned problems with the nvidia ide controllers, so im wndering if i should let windows detect generic controllers... anyone?

also whats wierd is that doom 3 will play at low res, but what ive noticed is that if i scan hardware for optimal settings, it automatically choses medium @ 640x480. wtf is up with that? its almost like the forceware driver isnt even being recognized. i know this isnt a 2x6800ultra rig, but cmon, its not medium quality. something is NOT right about this.

ut2k4 bsods in minutes, and the entire time it runs, the cpu is freaking out at 100% usage. i first thought this might be thermally related, but my proc is really good at staying under 40c.

so my only conclusion here is that somewhere my bios settings are wrong, or my motherboard is absolutely wack.

I see you are using Corsair XMS memory. I'm using the PC3500 version. One thing this memory requires is to manually set the voltage to 2.75v as the spd will set this up at 2.60v, which is out of spec for this memory.

Did your os and chipset drivers install without any glitches?

22a, though a little light, should work with your configuration.

 

Vtach

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Ok I oredered my thermaltake overnight 20-24 pin connector should be here sometime today for 10 bucks I will see if there are any improvements or what I will keep you guys posted.....
 

TaZZeR

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Not all the problems are power related.
I've checked loads of posts and people are running all sorts of the demanding setups on dual or single rails. Sure, you need a good power supply, but my problem goes beyond that......

On my 2nd board, still not power getting to the GFX cards....... just a flash of the GFX power LED!!!

Tried a Tagan 480W 28A single rail and a Enermax 600W 17A 18A dual rail, no display.
Cards are ok........
Any ideas? faulty board?

FX-55
XFX 6800GT x 2
1GB Corsair DDR ram
 

michaeldorian

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Originally posted by: Insomniak
Dual 12v rails is a minus. Avoid if possible...you want one strong 12v rail.

Hi,

I was wondering though as Alienware list there Turbo Cool 510 as a dual rail PSU. Do you know if it is a single or dual rail PSU?

http://www.alienware.com/Confi...emId=12604&ItemIdList=

From there website for there 7500 SLI system

PCI-Express Ready
Alienware high-performance systems designed with PCI Express, the next-generation standard in graphics and system bus performance, make full use of Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe PCI Express-ready power supplies. Specifically designed to support PCI Express power requirements, these power supply units feature robust 24-pin ATX power mains and dual 12 volt lines. This provides dedicated 12 volt power to critical system components - such as the system processor, graphics processor, and hard drives - to ensure maximum reliability and unshakeable stability.

Peak Power 650W

Continuous Power 510W

DC Output +5V @ 40A
+12V1 @ 18A
+12V2 @ 16A
-5V @ 0.3A
-12V @ 2.0A
+3.3V @ 30A
+5VSB @ 3.0A

Fan Type 30 - 44 CFM ball bearing

Noise 34 - 44 dB

Mean Time Before Failure 100,000 hours

Looks like there is a 12V1 and a 12V2 rail.


Any clarification is greatly appreciated.
 

TaZZeR

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It seems loads of people are using and getting away with dual rail PSU's, like the enermax. I think power can be a problem, but if your getting problems like mine, I think it's hardware