A SARS/War question for our canadian friends....

[Alistar7]

In light of the terrorist camp that was destroyed and the SARS epidemic, has your perspective changed about this war?

Americas main fear is the release of WMD on US mainland, for obvious reasons. With the outbreak of SARS, coming into the US from Canada, you see the same effect a bio attack on the US would have on your country as well. While we may be the intended victim, a weapon such as this would not respect your differing political viewpoint or geographic border.

Can you at least understand our legitimate fear of terrorists attacks? Our unwillingness to allow them to do this with a potentially globally catastrophic effect is our driving force in toppling Saddam. He has WMD, has shown no inhibiton in using them, and I for one have no trouble believing he would suplpy ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on US soil. Now that his ties to terrorism are beyond doubt this conclusion is quite logical and more than possible. To those that ask what if no WMD are found, I would say they had probably already been given to those who would use them against those Saddam would like to, but can't.

I look forward to hearing your responses, please keep them flame free and rational.....

This is a continuation of the thread I made yesterday which some forum members mistakenly labeled an april fools joke... Next time read the original post before you make judgement.

 

[Sxotty]

Hey allistar remember a lot of canucks, support the war actually and think that their government is being weenies, you should try not to paint them all with the same brush.

I use the term canucks in a non derogatory way btw, but if you don't like it feel free to tell me. I don't care if you call me a yank btw

 

[Alistar7]

not trying to paint them all with one brush, hence the reason I am asking for INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS.

 

[Tom]

plus France's opposition probably affected some Canadian's opinions more than in other traditional allies of the USA.

 

[Alistar7]

Agreed, but we don't want to drag France's zest for $$$ into this....

Canadians are our closest and most trusted allies.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Sxotty
Hey allistar remember a lot of canucks, support the war actually and think that their government is being weenies, you should try not to paint them all with the same brush.

I use the term canucks in a non derogatory way btw, but if you don't like it feel free to tell me. I don't care if you call me a yank btw

Welcome to AT BTW fellow Yank......

 

[zer0burn]

Americas main fear is the release of WMD on US mainland, for obvious reasons. With the outbreak of SARS, coming into the US from Canada, you see the same effect a bio attack on the US would have on your country as well. While we may be the intended victim, a weapon such as this would not respect your differing political viewpoint or geographic border.

You can same the samething. Due to this war in IRAQ America has just created 100 more bin ladens and now America maybe the intended victim but you've managed to bring Canada into this mess.

I support the war but I hate your logic

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn

Americas main fear is the release of WMD on US mainland, for obvious reasons. With the outbreak of SARS, coming into the US from Canada, you see the same effect a bio attack on the US would have on your country as well. While we may be the intended victim, a weapon such as this would not respect your differing political viewpoint or geographic border.

You can same the samething. Due to this war in IRAQ America has just created 100 more bin ladens and now America maybe the intended victim but you've managed to bring Canada into this mess.

I support the war but I hate your logic

100 more Bin Ladens? where did I see that??? HHMMM, oh yeah, on the ticker on CNN the past day...lol

We didn't manage to bring you into ANYTHING, your location makes you susceptible to effects of our being attacked. I suppose you could move your country, or seal your atmosphere and all ground water. etc... You dodged the question and only added a pesronal attack, thanks for the worthless post.

My logic is inline with the reason for the war, you agree with the war, but not the logic behind it?
Your obvious BIAS is making your position quite humerous.


"You can same the samething. Due to this war in IRAQ America has just created 100 more bin ladens and now America maybe the intended victim but you've managed to bring Canada into this mess."

As if we had not attacked Iraq and a bio weapon was released, it would not have affected canada, but since we attacked it will now? Where is the logic in that??????

I'm pretty sure any bio weapon wouldnt care if we did or did not attack Iraq and would harldy base it's spread due to our military action and your interpreation or opinion.....

 

[Alistar7]

the silence speaks for itself...

 

[zer0burn]

Our location does I agree make us a target however its only due to the fact that our cultures are almost one in the same.

That is not the only reason we are a target mainly because we are located within the West meaning that whatever America does other countries see us as part of it and we suffer the consequence...

In all honesty I feel this war is just however I do not believe that IRAQ posed a threat to America. THeres so many other countries that are a greater threat. NK, and IRAN especailly whom recently has started a nuclear program. Why arent you guys bombin them???

Dont be fooled by the media...

Reminds me of an article I read for one of my classes where the world was establishing an International criminal court.

America would not join because the court would not allow them to oversee their own prosecution of its own military. It wanted to be able to leave the court and join anytime it wanted to...





ALso in regards to the silence some of us have lives and cannot be here 24/7...

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
In light of the terrorist camp that was destroyed and the SARS epidemic, has your perspective changed about this war?

Americas main fear is the release of WMD on US mainland, for obvious reasons. With the outbreak of SARS, coming into the US from Canada, you see the same effect a bio attack on the US would have on your country as well. While we may be the intended victim, a weapon such as this would not respect your differing political viewpoint or geographic border.

Can you at least understand our legitimate fear of terrorists attacks? Our unwillingness to allow them to do this with a potentially globally catastrophic effect is our driving force in toppling Saddam. He has WMD, has shown no inhibiton in using them, and I for one have no trouble believing he would suplpy ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on US soil. Now that his ties to terrorism are beyond doubt this conclusion is quite logical and more than possible. To those that ask what if no WMD are found, I would say they had probably already been given to those who would use them against those Saddam would like to, but can't.

I look forward to hearing your responses, please keep them flame free and rational.....

This is a continuation of the thread I made yesterday which some forum members mistakenly labeled an april fools joke... Next time read the original post before you make judgement.

Why are you singling out Canadians and not say Mexicans. As far as I know the majority of the world believes in disarming Saddam Hussein, alot just disagre with our method of doing it.

 

[dahunan]

My honest opinion is that they have appeased violent radical muslims for a long long time .. but now they are afraid that if they support the US then the Radical Muslims will turn on them and start terrorizing Canadians JUST LIKE THEY DO TO THE REST OF THE WORLD

 

[zer0burn]

Hes not mentioning them because Mexico is just America's Corporate wasteland.

We are a nation where we are known as middle ground and resort to peaceful methods. Its like appeasement in WWII. However not to the same extent. THe way the world is now you are not going to see any moves towards wars trying to take over lands and what not. Its all in regards to religion etc... Thats why I believe America would be best to just stay out of the middle east.

Its their checkered past that has got them to where they are in regards to middle east relations. Its not the fact that they are a free nation which is what most believe...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
Our location does I agree make us a target however its only due to the fact that our cultures are almost one in the same.

That is not the only reason we are a target mainly because we are located within the West meaning that whatever America does other countries see us as part of it and we suffer the consequence...

In all honesty I feel this war is just however I do not believe that IRAQ posed a threat to America. THeres so many other countries that are a greater threat. NK, and IRAN especailly whom recently has started a nuclear program. Why arent you guys bombin them???

Dont be fooled by the media...

Reminds me of an article I read for one of my classes where the world was establishing an International criminal court.

America would not join because the court would not allow them to oversee their own prosecution of its own military. It wanted to be able to leave the court and join anytime it wanted to...





ALso in regards to the silence some of us have lives and cannot be here 24/7...

NK is not sponsoring terrorists that have attacked us.... Iran meets the requirements more so than Iraq I agree, although they don't have the WMD Saddam has. I disagree that he is a danger, his past actions support my position and the logic that follows. My government apparently feels the same way.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: SViscusi

Originally posted by: Alistar7
In light of the terrorist camp that was destroyed and the SARS epidemic, has your perspective changed about this war?

Americas main fear is the release of WMD on US mainland, for obvious reasons. With the outbreak of SARS, coming into the US from Canada, you see the same effect a bio attack on the US would have on your country as well. While we may be the intended victim, a weapon such as this would not respect your differing political viewpoint or geographic border.

Can you at least understand our legitimate fear of terrorists attacks? Our unwillingness to allow them to do this with a potentially globally catastrophic effect is our driving force in toppling Saddam. He has WMD, has shown no inhibiton in using them, and I for one have no trouble believing he would suplpy ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on US soil. Now that his ties to terrorism are beyond doubt this conclusion is quite logical and more than possible. To those that ask what if no WMD are found, I would say they had probably already been given to those who would use them against those Saddam would like to, but can't.

I look forward to hearing your responses, please keep them flame free and rational.....

This is a continuation of the thread I made yesterday which some forum members mistakenly labeled an april fools joke... Next time read the original post before you make judgement.

Why are you singling out Canadians and not say Mexicans. As far as I know the majority of the world believes in disarming Saddam Hussein, alot just disagre with our method of doing it.

There is a large group of Canadians here, as far as I know there are few if any from Mexico as members here, at least posting in this forum.

as far as I knew, there were 45 countries in favor and a few not, the few not in favor have deals with saddam for billions, their attempts at having sanctions lifted early to get the $$$ flowing were the same as attempting to stop this war. They wont get paid if Saddam is removed from power.

 

[zer0burn]

how about syria then?

NK is trying to build nuclear weapons isnt that WMD?

what about India and pakistan??? they both have WMD?

It just seems that only democratic countires are allowed to have WMD while other countries arent...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
Hes not mentioning them because Mexico is just America's Corporate wasteland.

We are a nation where we are known as middle ground and resort to peaceful methods. Its like appeasement in WWII. However not to the same extent. THe way the world is now you are not going to see any moves towards wars trying to take over lands and what not. Its all in regards to religion etc... Thats why I believe America would be best to just stay out of the middle east.

Its their checkered past that has got them to where they are in regards to middle east relations. Its not the fact that they are a free nation which is what most believe...

Our checkered past in the middle east is the reasoning behind the ANTI-US sentiment? Explain the Islamic Republic in Iran that overthrew a very US friendly goverment and spurned the Islamic hatred against America in the middle east....

 

[zer0burn]

its position in the Isreali conflict

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
how about syria then?

NK is trying to build nuclear weapons isnt that WMD?

what about India and pakistan??? they both have WMD?

It just seems that only democratic countires are allowed to have WMD while other countries arent...

When NK attacked SK, like Saddam attacked Kuwait, we were there.
India, Pakistan, Nk have not used these WDM, against their own people no less.
Syria we have formal diplomatic relations, unlike Iraq.

Some of those countires have ties to terrorism, although outside of Syria I doubt any others (in your list) have govts attached to them.

Russia had WMD, were they democratic? next anti-us thoery please

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
its position in the Isreali conflict

I agree, our insistence of the creation of a Palestinian prime minister with real political power was obviously our ploy to aid Israel, as were our public rebukes towards them regarding their settlements.

The US has officially stated their belief that the creation of a viable Palestinian state is not debatle, it will be done. What more do they want? Maybe if they could stop bombing long enough for it to happen....

I won't defend our previous policies in regards to Israel, the current stance reflects my own personal feelings in this issue.

 

[zer0burn]

syria has ties to US. They just said they support Iraqi's...


India and pakistan launch missle tests almost monthly now and the threat of a nuclear war is comparable to the cuban missle crisis almost...

My posts are anti US Im just saying if you go after one you have to go after them all. Which is just going to keep completing the circle. Where middle east countries will continue to hate Americans due to this...

I believe the best method would be to concentrate on homeland security at home not aboard and pull all troops out of mid east countries.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: zer0burn
syria has ties to US. They just said they support Iraqi's...


India and pakistan launch missle tests almost monthly now and the threat of a nuclear war is comparable to the cuban missle crisis almost...

My posts are anti US Im just saying if you go after one you have to go after them all. Which is just going to keep completing the circle. Where middle east countries will continue to hate Americans due to this...

I believe the best method would be to concentrate on homeland security at home not aboard and pull all troops out of mid east countries.

Saddam is still launching missilles at Kuwait, if we left he would go right back in, if the US will not stop him he won't be, he will not fear anyone else.

Kuwaiti citizens have a different perspective on America now, the people of Iraq will as well. Wait until Saddam is gone and they all feel free to truly speak their minds without fear. Where that is possible now they are working side by side with American forces to provide information against the regime and help rebuild critical basic services, water ,elect, etc..

Once a Palestinian state is created, with a large amount of US intervention, we WILL make Israel behave, you will see even more sentiment turned. The leaders of most of those nations don't want to see this happen. We are the great common enemy they need to keep the focus off themselves, the thought of a free, flourishing populace scares them and their tyrannical rule.

 

[Alistar7]

Not too worried about India and Pakistan, neither side is going to risk the international backlash against the pre-emptive use of a nuke. Kashmir isnt worth that much to either one them.

NK isn't going to do anyhing either, they are just looking for some $$$ to feed their people and using this war as an excuse to re-start their nuclear program.

Notice no terrorist attacks on American soil since the war started, the homeland is as safe as it can ever be from terrorists, which isnt very much considering the freedom allowed in this country.

 

[zer0burn]

haha I cant believe you used that arguement about how there hasnt been an attack since the war started.

Its like in the simpsons its like saying "this rock keeps bears away"

The two are unrelated. Just because there hasnt been any attacks doesnt mean there not planning any.

Further more you also mentioned a point I made earlier about the ignorance of Americans how all other countries hate

the thought of a free, flourishing populace scares them and their tyrannical rule.

this is very untrue a lot of countries maybe under dictatorships or single controlled governments however a lot of them still do flourish, and the people do not mind.

I just think we need to form a strong international comunity which dictates when actions need to be taken. Im talking about something stronger then united nations something with balls...

something that lays out specific actions that calls for a reaction

 

[zer0burn]

With each passing day though America's freedoms are being taken away. Look at some of the new laws passed within the last two years...