A sample of how 'hard' teachers have it

[her209]

You are correct, it was 10% but since you claim yourself, it's essentially the same.

Also....

I'm not so sure that you don't get EIC since you have so low of income and claim yourself. Goes to look....

Looks like you are eligible for EIC so you would pay esentially ZERO income tax, 7.65% payroll tax plus whatever state/local tax. So if that were the case (not 100% sure), then you are a freeloader on society, right?

See my post below yours.

 

[Engineer]

If you're not being claimed as a dependent, then you got an additional:

$3,650 in exemption on top of the $5,700 standard deduction.

Also it sounds like you qualified for:
Tuition and Fees Deduction or Educational Credit
Making Work Pay Credit
American Opportunity Credit

and possibly EIC. Sounds like he is a true freeloader on society to me, especially by his own "standards" (or lack thereof).

Edit: LOL...playing musical posts with her209. :biggrin:

 

[jackstar7]

LOL. How about we only let people who have been President talk about the job Obama is doing as well?

My bet is that people with kids care a touch more than those who don't about how well teachers are compensated knowing that they are basically a co-parent (caring and protecting their kids).

It's just speculation on my part.


But you go on being a cocktard putting words in my mouth.

 

[bfdd]

For what teachers make and how much they work, I would gladly do the job. Them paying out of pocket for school supplies though doesn't fly with me.

 

[jackstar7]

For what teachers make and how much they work, I would gladly do the job. Them paying out of pocket for school supplies though doesn't fly with me.

Yeah, parents like to see a cavalier attitude from the people teaching their kids. That usually goes over really well at PTA and school board meetings.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Part of the problem is that teachers have decided to represent themselves with unions. So what you are paid has little to do with how hard you work and what conditions you work in and more with what the union has decided you should be paid.

There is little incentive for teachers now to be exceptional because the unions hold them back. It isn't a true 'free market' for teachers. So its tough to say what you SHOULD be paid because your decisions in supporting and being a member of a union has determined your value. (For the most part, obviously there are some public school teachers not part of a union - But they are often held back as well from advancement for not being a member.)

Excellent, so now we know you know absolutely nothing about history, economics, sociology, or psychology either. How the hell do you manage autonomous functions anyway?

 

[sportage]

My sister in-law is a teacher as is her sister and many of their friends.

I know... I own a gun shop nearby and you sister and her friends were just in here looking to buy a gun. Something she said was untraceable. Better watch your backside...

 

[her209]

and possibly EIC. Sounds like he is a true freeloader on society to me, especially by his own "standards" (or lack thereof).

Edit: LOL...playing musical posts with her209. :biggrin:

Even just assuming he made $13,000 and taking out the $9,350. His taxable income is only $3,650. According to the 2010 Tax Tables, his federal income tax bill is only $368. And that's before you consider all the tax deductions and tax credits he's able to take. I'd venture to say he got money back from the federal government.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Got anything which compares those stats to other professions? If not, they are meaningless.

BLS puts them out on all major employment sectors. There are comparisons in that piece (if it's the one I'm thinking of) to other fields.

 

[bfdd]

Yeah, parents like to see a cavalier attitude from the people teaching their kids. That usually goes over really well at PTA and school board meetings.

Lols? My time is worth something, that something is accepted and represented by dollar bills. The only thing that matters is how well you do your job, not how you feel about it. I'm willing to bet I'd be a better teacher than most of the idiots out there now. That's probably why it never interested me.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Lols? My time is worth something, that something is accepted and represented by dollar bills. The only thing that matters is how well you do your job, not how you feel about it. I'm willing to bet I'd be a better teacher than most of the idiots out there now. That's probably why it never interested me.

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

 

[JD50]

For what teachers make and how much they work, I would gladly do the job. Them paying out of pocket for school supplies though doesn't fly with me.

I don't understand what this means. If you would gladly do the job, why aren't you doing it?

 

[jackstar7]

Lols? My time is worth something, that something is accepted and represented by dollar bills. The only thing that matters is how well you do your job, not how you feel about it. I'm willing to bet I'd be a better teacher than most of the idiots out there now. That's probably why it never interested me.

No, absolutely. Please stay away from other people's kids. Everyone wins that way.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Excellent, so now we know you know absolutely nothing about history, economics, sociology, or psychology either. How the hell do you manage autonomous functions anyway?

Well.. because you said so, I guess that makes its true then! Herp Derp.

 

[bfdd]

I don't understand what this means. If you would gladly do the job, why aren't you doing it?

Barriers to entrance. Also, there may be other jobs I'm more glad to do for other amounts of pay

 

[bfdd]

No, absolutely. Please stay away from other people's kids. Everyone wins that way.

lols... you did go to school in the USA right? Recently? Like the last 20 years? I'd rather be taught by people who are there to do a job and get it done right, than idiots who are all starry eyed hopefuls wanting to shape young minds. That shit is stupid and has lead to ruin in our educational system.

 

[her209]

lols... you did go to school in the USA right? Recently? Like the last 20 years? I'd rather be taught by people who are there to do a job and get it done right, than idiots who are all starry eyed hopefuls wanting to shape young minds. That shit is stupid and has lead to ruin in our educational system.

The worst teachers I had were ones who just threw work at the students and didn't engage them.

 

[JD50]

Barriers to entrance. Also, there may be other jobs I'm more glad to do for other amounts of pay

Heh...well then I guess you wouldn't gladly do their job for the amount of money they make. I don't blame you, neither would I.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

My question to Conservatives is why are you so obsessed with teachers and other middle class Americans just trying to get by when fat cat corporations are raping and pillaging this country? Why isn't your anger directed towards them?

 

[MovingTarget]

Give me your teacher's job, I'll take it.
1) Spend some cash on lesson plans online.
2) Pay for some multiple choice question tests/homework.
3) Enjoy my 3 months of summer vacation.

Wow, you would make a shitty teacher.

1) Lesson plans aren't just pieces of paper that teachers have to file with their principal. They have to be implemented. "Sit down, shut up, study!" is not a lesson plan. What if you get any special needs students? ESL students? What about classroom management? You'd quickly find yourself on the ass-end of a lawsuit for making someone's speshul snowflake mad.
2) If you can purchase tests/questions online, so can your students. The validity of your tests is now nil. Besides, multiple choice is a pretty poor mode of question when it comes to higher-level reasoning skills and concepts. You should be pummeled by a book on Bloom's Taxonomy.
3) Ha! Good luck on that one. You'd be out of a job way before then. Enjoy the poor house.

Nowhere in that list do you have the word teach.

 

[JSt0rm]

12k a year? Jeezus christ. Isnt this one of the right wing neocon dudes here? LOL. I spent 6k on a microphone this year.

 

[HomerJS]

Got anything which compares those stats to other professions? If not, they are meaningless.

Man you are one lazy ****. Are you a teacher? Read pages 54 and 55 in the doc and get back to me.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Teacher pay varies a lot by town and by state so I'll only comment on the conditions locally. Around here they are definitely overpaid. Even before the recession is was very difficult to get entry level teaching jobs around here. That kind of supply/demand imbalance is a hint that you are overpaying people. The teacher salaries in my town are public record so anyone can see them if they want to take a trip to the town hall. There are several old timers making around 100 before any extras. IMO it's a pretty sweet deal considering these people aren't exactly society's best and brightest and only work nine months a year.

What's more ridiculous is the number of administrators. They have a huge building full of them for a district that has maybe 4000 students between all the schools. I don't understand what these people do. They've been teaching the same shit for at least 60 years. You could probably fire 2/3 of them and no one would notice.

 

[ProfJohn]

Fat Boy on a Diet

What is with all the cheap shots??

Can't counter his ideas so you have to make it personal?

Pathetic.

 

[ProfJohn]

Dear ProfJohn,

When you laid out all those per hour pay comparisons, did you manage to include all the continuing education requirements teachers have to meet every year to retain their teaching credentials? Most teachers spend the summers taking a couple of classes at their local universities. Some take one class per school year at night.

So, please don't forget to add in all that time spent taking classes above and beyond what's in the teaching contracts......and the teachers take those classes on their own dimes, too.

I keep seeing that claim, I wish someone would offer some proof as to how much time they spend in these classes a year.

BTW you realize that the typical college course only meets for what... 45 hours? Maybe less depending on the class. 3 hours a week for 15 weeks isn't exactly skewing the hour total...