A question for those on the right who won. Is it payback time and how should that look.

[pcgeek11]

I suggest you check out my Roy Moore example.


BTW - Why do you suddenly think Democracy is so great when you lost in 2020 what did you do? Burn the shit to the ground.

I'm not saying Democracy is bad. It allowed people to do the wrong thing that will bite us all in the ass soon.

You people have shown us you are only for Democracy when you win.

I didn't burn anything to the ground. I don't remember anyone burning shit to the ground.

You are right and it also allowed the Democrats to do bad things... It is still Democracy. I didn't say it was perfect.

That is only your opinion. You are only for Democracy when you win. And when you lose you (and many others) go into a constant whine and moaning about the end of the world. (Trumps first term.) And look we are still here.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't burn anything to the ground. I don't remember anyone burning shit to the ground.

You are right and it also allowed the Democrats to do bad things... It is still Democracy. I didn't say it was perfect.

That is only your opinion. You are only for Democracy when you win. And when you lose you (and many others) go into a constant whine and moaning about the end of the world. (Trumps first term.) And look we are still here.

The only people I've seen attempt a coup when they lose are conservatives.

 

[HomerJS]

I didn't burn anything to the ground. I don't remember anyone burning shit to the ground.

You are right and it also allowed the Democrats to do bad things... It is still Democracy. I didn't say it was perfect.

That is only your opinion. You are only for Democracy when you win. And when you lose you (and many others) go into a constant whine and moaning about the end of the world. (Trumps first term.) And look we are still here.

Missed the entire point on purpose. What happened on J6 was not accepting Democracy. You know that but want to live in denial. When white people don't get their way with Democracy they attempt murder and beat cops within an inch of their lives. Democrats respect the process.

BTW - There are 1.1 million people who are not here because of how Trump managed the pandemic.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think the most likely answer is that people were mad about inflation and punished the incumbents.

In fact if you look at swing states you will see that the swing towards Republicans in those states was less than in noncompetitive states. This indicates that the more people learned about the messages of the parties the less inclined they were to support Republicans. This is not exactly surprising as 'Democrats are importing Mexican criminals to make them transgender in prison' is not a message that normal people find compelling.

Well whatever makes you feel better about it. As Biden stated We will be just fine.

 

[dank69]

OK.... The majority just don't like Democrats for a variety of reasons.

Better.

The "variety of reasons" mostly boil down to conservative media lies 24/7 and conservatives believe those lies because they don't care about the truth, only feeling good about their hatred of liberals. Then those conservatives spread those lies to unsuspecting non-political people who also have a hard time sifting truth from bullshit.

 

[pcgeek11]

Missed the entire point on purpose. What happened on J6 was not accepting Democracy. You know that but want to live in denial. When white people don't get their way with Democracy they attempt murder and beat cops within an inch of their lives. Democrats respect the process.

BTW - There are 1.1 million people who are not here because of how Trump managed the pandemic.

What happened on Jan 6 was fucked up I agree and have stated many times they should be prosecuted and punished accordingly.

As far as what happened was more a riot IMO. But I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

Most countries and leaderships were dealing with a pandemic of which much was unknown. To blame 1.1 million deaths on Trump is Bull Shit. Why not blame Fauci too?

Oh and go get bent with your "White People" racist comments.

 

[fskimospy]

Well whatever makes you feel better about it. As Biden stated We will be just fine.

Is something I said there incorrect? If you have an alternate explanation as to why swing states behaved differently I'm open to hearing it.

Generally speaking though American democracy is in grave danger. We don't know just how bad yet, but it's likely to be bad. Relatedly it's odd that you bring up the first Trump term considering it ended with the sack of the Capitol and a literal attempt to end American democracy. While it is true that attempt failed, it didn't fail by a lot!

Generally sacks of the Capitol and coup attempts are not in the bucket of what I consider 'just fine' but I can accept that you may feel differently about coups.

 

[fskimospy]

What happened on Jan 6 was fucked up I agree and have stated many times they should be prosecuted and punished accordingly.

As far as what happened was more a riot IMO. But I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

Most countries and leaderships were dealing with a pandemic of which much was unknown. To blame 1.1 million deaths on Trump is Bull Shit. Why not blame Fauci too?

Oh and go get bent with your "White People" racist comments.

The US had a considerably higher per capita death rate than similarly developed countries. Who do you think should take the blame for this? Or do we hold no one accountable?

 

[pcgeek11]

The "variety of reasons" mostly boil down to conservative media lies 24/7 and conservatives believe those lies because they don't care about the truth, only feeling good about their hatred of liberals. Then those conservatives spread those lies to unsuspecting non-political people who also have a hard time sifting truth from bullshit.

Whatever Cupcake.

 

[dank69]

What happened on Jan 6 was fucked up I agree and have stated many times they should be prosecuted and punished accordingly.

As far as what happened was more a riot IMO. But I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

Most countries and leaderships were dealing with a pandemic of which much was unknown. To blame 1.1 million deaths on Trump is Bull Shit. Why not blame Fauci too?

Oh and go get bent with your "White People" racist comments.

Trump scrapped Obama's pandemic response plan, Fauci didn't.
Trump downplayed the severity of the pandemic. If anything Fauci reacted with an overabundance of caution.
Trump and Republicans convinced a lot of people that they shouldn't wear masks which promoted the spread of COVID. Fauci tried to get people to wear masks.

 

[dank69]

Whatever Cupcake.

See? This is why I shit all over you. Even when I respond to you with zero ad hominem, you go right to ad hominem the second you have no valid response.

 

[pcgeek11]

The US had a considerably higher per capita death rate than similarly developed countries. Who do you think should take the blame for this? Or do we hold no one accountable?

As stated they were dealing with an unknown. I would blame Fauci much more than anyone else. It was his JOB to know about these things and provide proper info and guidance.

 

[pcgeek11]

See? This is why I shit all over you. Even when I respond to you with zero ad hominem, you go right to ad hominem the second you have no valid response.

No, You shit all over anyone that doesn't hold your views.

 

[dank69]

No, You shit all over anyone that doesn't hold your views.

If we were talking about differences of opinion then that criticism would be valid, but we aren't. We are talking about objective reality. I know you guys like to believe alternative facts are just as valid as actual facts, but they aren't and they never have been.

 

[fskimospy]

As stated they were dealing with an unknown. I would blame Fauci much more than anyone else. It was his JOB to know about these things and provide proper info and guidance.

So to be clear you don't blame the person in charge of selecting all of his advisors as well as in charge of creating and implementing all federal covid mitigation policies more? I was always taught that when you're in a position of authority the buck stops with you. It also doesn't matter that it was unknown as it was the same unknown everyone else was dealing with - and dealt with better.

I think it's a pretty clear case - in fact really the only one that came up during Trump's presidency. The main purpose of a robust executive is so they can energetically respond to an emergency like COVID and Trump's administration performed much worse than all their contemporaries.

Lots and lots of people died due to Trump's incompetence, which was not fine, and again his term ended with the sack of the Capitol and a coup attempt. You would agree that all of those things are very bad, right?

 

[fskimospy]

Trump scrapped Obama's pandemic response plan, Fauci didn't.
Trump downplayed the severity of the pandemic. If anything Fauci reacted with an overabundance of caution.
Trump and Republicans convinced a lot of people that they shouldn't wear masks which promoted the spread of COVID. Fauci tried to get people to wear masks.

This is one very important point that shows the sheer incompetence of the Trump administration. Obama tried to help him combat the signature emergency of that four year period but because it came from Obama it was ignored.

Failure has a thousand fathers but no one is more responsible than Trump for those excess US deaths. He had one job to do in that situation and he failed. In fact he didn't even just fail, he actively made things worse.

 

[Moonbeam]

Link promised for post #37

onathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives | Children's Mental Health Network

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www.cmhnetwork.org

 

[Greenman]

No, You shit all over anyone that doesn't hold your views.

Quoted for truth.
"You ignorant racist assholes better vote for us" doesn't appear to be a winning strategy. Though I'm willing to admit it's possible that they just didn't lean on it hard enough. Us stupid people are a touch slow on the uptake.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is one very important point that shows the sheer incompetence of the Trump administration. Obama tried to help him combat the signature emergency of that four year period but because it came from Obama it was ignored.

Failure has a thousand fathers but no one is more responsible than Trump for those excess US deaths. He had one job to do in that situation and he failed. In fact he didn't even just fail, he actively made things worse.

Isn't bleach how you white wash things?

 

[HomerJS]

What happened on Jan 6 was fucked up I agree and have stated many times they should be prosecuted and punished accordingly.

As far as what happened was more a riot IMO. But I'm not going to beat a dead horse.

Most countries and leaderships were dealing with a pandemic of which much was unknown. To blame 1.1 million deaths on Trump is Bull Shit. Why not blame Fauci too?

Oh and go get bent with your "White People" racist comments.

Since when do "riots" include a fake electors scheme but why let facts get in the way of your good story.

You accuse Biden of causing inflation so it is legitimate to blame Trump for Covid. BTW - I never blamed Trump for covid getting here but he mismanaged it to the point where thousands died that didn't have to. Women around the country are already dying because of Trump and he isn't even in office yet. Those people are no longer here

BTW - You just said my comment was racist. You didn't say it was wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quoted for truth.
"You ignorant racist assholes better vote for us" doesn't appear to be a winning strategy. Though I'm willing to admit it's possible that they just didn't lean on it hard enough. Us stupid people are a touch slow on the uptake.

Do you believe there are real racists in the world even if liberals misidentify them? If so do you believe any of those racists admit they are racists rather than stating facts about the inferiority of others? Do you think Trump voters would be any different if their Trumpism really only amounted to bigotry?

The problem I see is that the people who voted for Trump are out of touch with reality because they can't deal with fact and the reason is that what they really believe the truth is is that they are worthless shit. The life blood of shit is to deny it because who wants to know that's what one really is. The problem,of course is, that people who see you as shit and you unconsciously unaware you feel the same way, are both wrong. You had to conform as children or you would not have survived the pressure. You had to play the game and surrender to indignity or the beatings would have never stopped. You have only one real problem, you do not want to remember and know what you really feel.

And the reason I know you is that we are all the same.

 

[dank69]

Quoted for truth.
"You ignorant racist assholes better vote for us" doesn't appear to be a winning strategy. Though I'm willing to admit it's possible that they just didn't lean on it hard enough. Us stupid people are a touch slow on the uptake.

It isn't our fault you guys interpret "don't vote for racists" as "you are racists."

 

[hal2kilo]

Democrats lost the support of many on the left this election, people who were calling people on the right scum, and not it's conservatives in the drivers seat. What kind of revenge do you want to take. What should their fate be? Clearly we on the left are looked at as evil and took a hard fall. How should payback time look?

Except for people who were sympathetic to Gazan's, I think you may be wrong. It's those '"salt of the earth people" problem.

Progressives aren’t the problem in the Democratic coalition - Salon.com

Ignoring low-wage and low-wealth voters cost Kamala Harris big

www.salon.com

 

[dank69]

It's the same with all the CRT type stuff. Conservatives interpret "Americans have treated black people like shit since its inception" as "you should personally feel guilty about Americans treating black people like shit." Like bro, acknowledging what America did in the past doesn't make you guilty of anything.

 

[fskimospy]

Quoted for truth.
"You ignorant racist assholes better vote for us" doesn't appear to be a winning strategy. Though I'm willing to admit it's possible that they just didn't lean on it hard enough. Us stupid people are a touch slow on the uptake.

Well you have to admit when you refuse to tell people what policies you support or want to see they have to guess for themselves.

Any update on what policies you liked/disliked so much that the felony convictions, rapes, and coup attempts didn't bother you?