A question for those on the right who won. Is it payback time and how should that look.

[BonzaiDuck]

I want to say "Stop this S***!"

There are enough anecdotal cases piling up that prove how clueless the Trump-leaning Quislings were. Recently, LA TIMES published a story of the "where-did-we-go-wrong?" theme about Latinos voting for "The American Dream". A man named Garcia in Texas had been interviewed, saying he lost $80,000 of his retirement nest-egg compiled over 40 years after Biden was elected. The DJIA and S&P 500 graphs between January 2021 and today do not support any likelihood of such a loss unless he was investing this money like a day-trader, when there are guided investment funds recommended for senior citizens that have low risk and relatively high returns. But freaking look at the DJIA.

If -- therefore -- we have multiple instances of "Media Fraud" (read FOX, OAN etc.), and myriad cases of voter stupidity, winning the popular vote doesn't prove anything about who was right and who was wrong.

Harris lost because she was a smart "black" woman of mixed race with nice hair, who had a stellar public service career, a fine education (Howard U and UC Hastings), and she makes a commanding presence of herself in her public speech.

America apparently isn't ready for Common Sense, yet. I would personally be more concerned about Trump adherents intimidating and threatening Opposition citizens who speak up and "in their face".

 

[Greenman]

So was it your hatred of the Democrats that made you support the guy convicted of dozens of felonies, found liable for rape, and who attempted a coup?

If so, what did you hate so much exactly that you preferred an overt criminal?

I don't hate democrats at all, and I can't imagine where you got that idea.
It remains to be seen how many of the convictions are overturned on appeal. It looks like 450 million judgement against Trump is going to be reversed, he's never been charged with insurrection, and the rape lawsuit wasn't a criminal trial. It was in my opinion total bullshit.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm good with that, America loves the democrats so much they gave republican's the house, the senate, and the presidency. Enjoy the win.

Americans are so cool with sexual assaulters they elected one.

You are one of those people who have no clue when it comes to history which answers your own post.

BTW - Have you admitted to any women in your orbit your approval of sexual assault yet?

 

[trenchfoot]

Perhaps you can appreciate the magnitude of delusion that is required not to see they voted for someone like that. Only bad people could vote for a Trump about whom what you say is true, and they are the guardians of the good. Obviously you are mistaken.

That Chucky2 hasn't by now given me his sincere position on the issues I queried him about pretty much confirms my suspicions as to the honesty and integrity of those folks who support Trump's return to the White House.

I had previously posited that a solid majority of people who voted for Trump when asked why they voted for him were being evasive about their reasons, naming "the economy stupid" as their primary reason along with other reasons they gave that were factually untrue.

So in a way my asking Chucky2 what his honest opinion was about why the majority of Americans decided to return Trump to the White House was a litmus test of sorts as to the why he and those other Trump voters thought it was necessary to give Trump a second chance at pursuing his authoritarian agenda.

I'm still waiting for his response as I quite honestly want to know what the actual reasons are that the majority of the voters of the nation would prefer Trump to lead the nation than Harris because quite frankly my being a logical reasoning kind of fellow cannot find a suitable answer to the issue at hand.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't hate democrats at all, and I can't imagine where you got that idea.

I don't have that idea - I'm making guesses as to why you decided to support someone convicted of dozens of felonies, adjudicated to have raped someone, and who attempted a coup by your own admission. If you told me why I wouldn't have to guess!

It remains to be seen how many of the convictions are overturned on appeal.

lol. The appeal is that since he has become president he can't be convicted, which I'm sure you agree is circular reasoning.

'It was okay to vote for him for president because when he's elected the felonies he was convicted of can't be enforced, so it's like he was never convicted and I didn't vote for a felon!'

L-O-L.

It looks like 450 million judgement against Trump is going to be reversed. he's never been charged with insurrection, and the rape lawsuit wasn't a criminal trial. It was in my opinion total bullshit.

It is frankly hilarious watching you tie yourself up into knots about this.

Remember when you decided Clinton was guilty before any trial and are now like 'sure he was convicted of 34 felonies but those might be overturned. Sure he was found liable for rape by a jury of his peers but I don't believe any of them. Sure he is currently on trial for attempting to overthrow the government' but since he won the election that won't be finished.'

Therefore, not a criminal!

You know I defend you a lot but what you're doing here is validating every criticism others have made of you. You know what you're doing here and it's sad.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't hate democrats at all, and I can't imagine where you got that idea.
It remains to be seen how many of the convictions are overturned on appeal. It looks like 450 million judgement against Trump is going to be reversed, he's never been charged with insurrection, and the rape lawsuit wasn't a criminal trial. It was in my opinion total bullshit.

But you don’t hate total bullshit. It just slides off your back. Only mean nasty accusatory people acting on emotion and not reason ever accused him of anything???

Why I bet all those bull shit charges will soon be thrown out the window and God will come down from heaven and declare him a saint. I bet you felt nothing also when all your tools were stolen. There must have been a really good reason? The thief likely sold them and sent the money to Trump. And please don’t try to convince me otherwise. It was just so unfair of you to be pissed off. Probably they will be returned to you any day now.

If you could just suffer and feel what you have been through you could heal. I am telling you that you have no idea the depth of your rage and that it is not a sin to feel that way. We were forced to build our own prison and deny every bar in it. That is why you know not what you do. Do not fear the rage of blame if you want to be free of it.

Of course it is only my opinion you have been forgiven because you do not know what you feel.

 

[trenchfoot]

I want to say "Stop this S***!"

There are enough anecdotal cases piling up that prove how clueless the Trump-leaning Quislings were. Recently, LA TIMES published a story of the "where-did-we-go-wrong?" theme about Latinos voting for "The American Dream". A man named Garcia in Texas had been interviewed, saying he lost $80,000 of his retirement nest-egg compiled over 40 years after Biden was elected. The DJIA and S&P 500 graphs between January 2021 and today do not support any likelihood of such a loss unless he was investing this money like a day-trader, when there are guided investment funds recommended for senior citizens that have low risk and relatively high returns. But freaking look at the DJIA.

If -- therefore -- we have multiple instances of "Media Fraud" (read FOX, OAN etc.), and myriad cases of voter stupidity, winning the popular vote doesn't prove anything about who was right and who was wrong.

Harris lost because she was a smart "black" woman of mixed race with nice hair, who had a stellar public service career, a fine education (Howard U and UC Hastings), and she makes a commanding presence of herself in her public speech.

America apparently isn't ready for Common Sense, yet. I would personally be more concerned about Trump adherents intimidating and threatening Opposition citizens who speak up and "in their face".

This is where my suspicions have also led me. However, I've yet to hear or read anything like that from any media source out in the wild that confirms or factually refutes my suspicions, nor have I heard anything similar from any Trump supporter I've had the opportunity to seek a frank and honest answer from.

Too soon to ask such a simple question that can be answered with a simple answer? Must there be a deep dive into this subject to find factual answers that explain what is a mystery to me? So far, my search for an honest answer has only been met with avoidance and a dearth of reasoned opinions put forward by the nation's media.

In the grand scheme of things, does it even matter? For the continued security of our nation and those of my loved ones, I think it does.

 

[fskimospy]

But you don’t hate total bullshit. It just slides off your back. Only mean nasty accusatory people acting on emotion and not reason ever accused him of anything???

Why I bet all those bull shit charges will soon be thrown out the window and God will come down from heaven and declare him a saint. I bet you felt nothing also when all your tools were stolen. There must have been a really good reason? The thief likely sold them and sent the money to Trump. And please don’t try to convince me otherwise. It was just so unfair of you to be pissed off. Probably they will be returned to you any day now.

If you could just suffer and feel what you have been through you could heal. I am telling you that you have no idea the depth of your rage and that it is not a sin to feel that way. We were forced to build our own prison and deny every bar in it. That is why you know not what you do. Do not fear the rage of blame if you want to be free of it.

Of course it is only my opinion you have been forgiven because you do not know what you feel.

It's pretty simple, much like the climate change denier ladder:

1) you can't say Trump is a criminal because he hasn't been charged with anything.
2) ok, he was charged but you can't say Trump is a criminal because he hasn't been convicted of anything.
3) ok, he was convicted but you can't say Trump is a criminal because he is appealing.
4) Trump won the presidency so the cases must be dropped, therefore despite being convicted you can't say Trump is a criminal.

Oh and bonus points for:
1) Sure he was found to have raped someone by a jury of his peers but I don't think that counts because they suck.

 

[eelw]

Considering the rights reaction to losing an election is violence, attacking police and attempted murder of their own VP, why shouldn't we think revenge is high on their priority list?

But the butt kissers have deluded themselves into not believing their own eyes.

 

[fskimospy]

But the butt kissers have deluded themselves into not believing their own eyes.

My favorite part of that was how as their opinions changed over time it went from '1/6 was an ANTIFA operation meant to discredit conservatives.' to '1/6 was good, actually.'

 

[trenchfoot]

I don't hate democrats at all, and I can't imagine where you got that idea.
It remains to be seen how many of the convictions are overturned on appeal. It looks like 450 million judgement against Trump is going to be reversed, he's never been charged with insurrection, and the rape lawsuit wasn't a criminal trial. It was in my opinion total bullshit.

Thank you for being brave enough to jump in and express your opinions on the matter at hand.

Now, aside from your need to defend the indefensible, could you please tell us what your actual factual reasons are for thinking sending Trump back to where you think he belongs is a righteous thing to do given how he has freely let the nation know he intends to install himself as an authoritarian head of state?

 

[Moonbeam]

That Chucky2 hasn't by now given me his sincere position on the issues I queried him about pretty much confirms my suspicions as to the honesty and integrity of those folks who support Trump's return to the White House.

I had previously posited that a solid majority of people who voted for Trump when asked why they voted for him were being evasive about their reasons, naming "the economy stupid" as their primary reason along with other reasons they gave that were factually untrue.

So in a way my asking Chucky2 what his honest opinion was about why the majority of Americans decided to return Trump to the White House was a litmus test of sorts as to the why he and those other Trump voters thought it was necessary to give Trump a second chance at pursuing his authoritarian agenda.

I'm still waiting for his response as I quite honestly want to know what the actual reasons are that the majority of the voters of the nation would prefer Trump to lead the nation than Harris because quite frankly my being a logical reasoning kind of fellow cannot find a suitable answer to the issue at hand.

You are looking for logic where none exists. I will try and find you a good explanation if I can find it. I ran into it looking something up. It was written in the Obama time frame but applies today in my opinion. I’ll try to find it but have other things to do at the moment. I believe conservatives have little self understanding because the truth is profoundly unflattering.

It would be like trying to tell a racist he’s a bigot rather than an objective observer of the actual inferiority of some other color people. They just tell you the facts absent any self reflection.

EDIT: Link is in Post #67

 

[outriding]

I know I am expecting too much thinking from trumpers.

But them saying the dems are ripping the country apart while trump is saying he wants to jail his opponents is just mind boggling

 

[fskimospy]

Thank you for being brave enough to jump in and express your opinions on the matter at hand.

Now, aside from your need to defend the indefensible, could you please tell us what your actual factual reasons are for thinking sending Trump back to where you think he belongs is a righteous thing to do given how he has freely let the nation know he intends to install himself as an authoritarian head of state?

I'm primarily interested in whatever rationale he cooked up as to why a convicted felon being president isn't a problem because if he becomes president those felonies will be overturned.

like... lol.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's pretty simple, much like the climate change denier ladder:

1) you can't say Trump is a criminal because he hasn't been charged with anything.
2) ok, he was charged but you can't say Trump is a criminal because he hasn't been convicted of anything.
3) ok, he was convicted but you can't say Trump is a criminal because he is appealing.
4) Trump won the presidency so the cases must be dropped, therefore despite being convicted you can't say Trump is a criminal.

Oh and bonus points for:
1) Sure he was found to have raped someone by a jury of his peers but I don't think that counts because they suck.

Chinese finger puzzles. The harder you pull the tighter the grip.

 

[HomerJS]

The rationale that the people voted Democrats out makes it right remember this.

Roy Moore when he ran for Senate in Alabama got 68% of the white vote. The same Roy Moore that as a 35 year old was trolling 14 year olds.

Black people in the state saved them by giving Doug Jones 96% of the vote.

Now all you righties can go ahead and justify pedophilia. Shows you how far white Republicans are willing to go just to maintain power.

 

[pcgeek11]

Why should there be any repercussions? My take is that the majority of Americans decided the democrats have leaned a little to far left, embraced some ideas that didn't sit right with them. There is no need or call for vengeance.

This exactly.

 

[pcgeek11]

Of course Greenman can't list how Democrats went too far left. He thinks that because he was told to think that.

Yes the American voters told everybody that they didn't like the Democrat message on what they were going to do and have done over the last 4 years. On both the Electoral College and the Popular vote. Democracy at work.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes the American voters told everybody that they didn't like the Democrat message on what they were going to do and have done over the last 4 years. On both the Electoral College and the Popular vote.

Pretty sure polls showed Trump support was inversely correlated with knowing the messages of the two parties.

 

[dank69]

Yes the American voters told everybody that they didn't like the Democrat message on what they were going to do and have done over the last 4 years. On both the Electoral College and the Popular vote.

You don't know how many people didn't like their message vs. how many people voted for other reasons. For example, google searches for "who is running for president" spiked on Nov. 4th and 5th. How many of those people do you think knew anything about what message either party was pushing?

 

[HomerJS]

Yes the American voters told everybody that they didn't like the Democrat message on what they were going to do and have done over the last 4 years. On both the Electoral College and the Popular vote. Democracy at work.

I suggest you check out my Roy Moore example.


BTW - Why do you suddenly think Democracy is so great when you lost in 2020 what did you do? Burn the shit to the ground.

I'm not saying Democracy is bad. It allowed people to do the wrong thing that will bite us all in the ass soon.

You people have shown us you are only for Democracy when you win.

 

[fskimospy]

You don't know how many people didn't like their message vs. how many people voted for other reasons. For example, google searches for "who is running for president" spiked on Nov. 4th and 5th. How many of those people do you think knew anything about what message either party was pushing?

I think the most likely answer is that people were mad about inflation and punished the incumbents.

In fact if you look at swing states you will see that the swing towards Republicans in those states was less than in noncompetitive states. This indicates that the more people learned about the messages of the parties the less inclined they were to support Republicans. This is not exactly surprising as 'Democrats are importing Mexican criminals to make them transgender in prison' is not a message that normal people find compelling.

 

[pcgeek11]

Pretty sure polls showed Trump support was inversely correlated with knowing the messages of the two parties.

Yeah, Right...
Polls sucked.

 

[pcgeek11]

You don't know how many people didn't like their message vs. how many people voted for other reasons. For example, google searches for "who is running for president" spiked on Nov. 4th and 5th. How many of those people do you think knew anything about what message either party was pushing?

OK.... The majority just don't like Democrats for a variety of reasons.

Better.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, Right...
Polls sucked.

So then you have an alternate source of information as to the motivations for why people voted?