A Possible Explanation for Trump's Pandemic Response

[Viper1j]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

 

[ivwshane]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

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How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?

www.vanityfair.com

Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert.

You can believe this insider or you can believe the White House.

 

[dawp]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

I'm not so sure about that, that information wasn't available when trump first could have acted and really wasn't well know until recently.

 

[mikeymikec]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

It would be a very clumsy way of doing it; consider many Republican voters will have been killed in the process.

Overall I'm puzzled by Trump's inaction. IMO a better direction for him to have taken would be to follow scientific advice but appearing to be spurning it in dramatic yet scientifically minimal ways, and find other ways to 'own the libs' that don't put lives in danger but can be used as flag-waving material by the small-minded who feel that 'owning the libs' is somehow important.

Instead we seem to have 'how many potential voters can we let die before the election'.

 

[Viper1j]

I'm not so sure about that, that information wasn't available when trump first could have acted and really wasn't well know until recently.

Well, first he called it a "hoax".

And then, when the information DID become available, he slowed down the testing. Sounds to me like he was just taking advantage of good fortune (?) And now that he does know, he's doing even more to obstruct testing.

At least until he's reduced the numbers to what he considers acceptable.

It would be a very clumsy way of doing it; consider many Republican voters will have been killed in the process.

Overall I'm puzzled by Trump's inaction. IMO a better direction for him to have taken would be to follow scientific advice but appearing to be spurning it in dramatic yet scientifically minimal ways, and find other ways to 'own the libs' that don't put lives in danger but can be used as flag-waving material by the small-minded who feel that 'owning the libs' is somehow important.

Instead we seem to have 'how many potential voters can we let die before the election'.

I'm pretty sure, he's not all that concerned about blacks, browns, and "poor white trash". Out of 180,000 people, it's somewhat ironic that only one rich person that he knows of has died.

 

[cytg111]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

That might have been the idea... but guess who shows up to vote now? I am guessing that was a losing bet... pot odds alone would mean a certain fold from me. Stupid play.
Consider the spread of it to whites too? 60+ whites with a shit ton of preexisting conditions, his rock steady base, DEAD to the virus... just to target some blacks? Extremely stupid. So yea he probably did that.

 

[Viper1j]

You really think Trump cares about the "poor right trash"?

 

[cytg111]

You really think Trump cares about the "poor right trash"?

His voters? Yea.

 

[K1052]

The idea that Trump cares about anybody besides himself is farfetched to say the least. That the disease kills more black and brown people is just a nice bonus to him and his admin not something they set out to make happen.

 

[Viper1j]

The idea that Trump cares about anybody besides himself is farfetched to say the least. That the disease kills more black and brown people is just a nice bonus to him and his admin not something they set out to make happen.

I'm not saying that anyone set out to make it happen. I don't think anybody in this administration is smart enough to design that. What I am saying is, he could sit on his hands, and simply "let nature take it's course", until he feels an acceptable number has been reached.

 

[mikeymikec]

The idea that Trump cares about anybody besides himself is farfetched to say the least.

However he needs people to adore him and vote for him.

 

[K1052]

However he needs people to adore him and vote for him.

A salesman selling a shitty product doesn't care about the people he's selling to. He cares if they buy.

 

[eelw]

Well if this was the original idea, it failed. For every person that died, it’s turned another 5 family members to despise him and will turn out to vote him out.

 

[pmv]

Something occurred to me a couple days ago, I've been hesitant to mention it, because of the implications. People that live in states with legal hunting are familiar with the word "cull". It means to control the numbers of a given population.

Since Covid affects people of color disproportionately, has anyone considered the possibility that Trump might be using the coronavirus to cull a certain segment of the population with his response to it?

If we take a historical perspective, let's say there was a disease that affected Jews disproportionately. If Hitler knew that, and failed to act on it, would he still be guilty of genocide? If the answer is yes, then all Trump is doing, is saving money on ovens.

There's a more moderate version, where it wasn't a calculated, conscious plan to do that, but his racism could nevertheless be a factor in his not being motivated to take active measures to prevent it happening.

I think mainly though, he's just out of his depth. He's not up to the job, is all.

 

[DarthKyrie]

Well if this was the original idea, it failed. For every person that died, it’s turned another 5 family members to despise him and will turn out to vote him out.

I wouldn't count on his supporters backing out on him over the death of some relatives from a fake virus that was created to make the God-Emporer look bad. I know someone that is an example of this, except it didn't kill his family, he has a friend who is a nurse that has told him the horror stories of people she has treated for it and he still thinks this is all blown out of proportion by the Demonrats to make his God-Emporer look bad.

 

[fskimospy]

To me the most likely reason is that fighting a pandemic takes sustained, meticulous effort over a long period of time and Trump is literally psychologically incapable of doing that. He tried doing the right thing briefly and then his mental processes broke down so he looked for people to fight instead.

He’s evil but he’s also so mentally ill that things like this are just way beyond his ability to do even in the best of circumstances.

 

[Jaskalas]

Slowly but surely Europe is losing control of the virus.
America was just bigger, better, and faster. We won the race. Rest of the planet will catch up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53954562
Coronavirus: France sees 'exponential rise' in cases

Got any conspiracy theories of who France is culling?

 

[fskimospy]

Slowly but surely Europe is losing control of the virus.
America was just bigger, better, and faster. We won the race. Rest of the planet will catch up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53954562
Coronavirus: France sees 'exponential rise' in cases

Got any conspiracy theories of who France is culling?

The vast majority of the planet will never catch up or even come remotely close.

 

[pmv]

Slowly but surely Europe is losing control of the virus.
America was just bigger, better, and faster. We won the race. Rest of the planet will catch up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53954562
Coronavirus: France sees 'exponential rise' in cases

Got any conspiracy theories of who France is culling?

Doesn't have to be a conspiracy - France has its racism also, as do most countries. That could partly explain a lack of sufficient effort to do what's needed. But with Trump I believe it's mostly just plain incompetence. And while infections are going up again in France, they did at least come right down for a while first - which is more than the US has achieved.

 

[pmv]

I mean, the man is a prisoner of his manifold psychological problems. He is crippled by them and thus just incapable of doing the job Americans idiotically gave him.

 

[Jaskalas]

I mean, the man is a prisoner of his manifold psychological problems. He is crippled by them and thus just incapable of doing the job Americans idiotically gave him.

Having granted all that, and setting it aside...

What is that job exactly, as it relates to COVID? What sort of actions would an Obama, Bush, or Biden have taken - that would have made a difference in number of COVID deaths? Biggest problem that comes to mind is a complete lack of leadership at the federal level. States have had to fend for themselves, thus fight among themselves in a scattered, disorganized, and ultimately harmful manner. I am lost as to how to attribute deaths to that though. What sort of impact that has had.

Another impact would be a dithering or even antithetical message with regards to protections. Cheer leading Conservative madness against PPE and other measures may be more easily attributed to actual harm. But those are also grass roots movements among the base. Trump's fault is in either falling for the misinformation - or not clamping down to help stop it. But simply doing what Conservatives want... sounds more like a "Having a Republican President" problem, rather than something that is uniquely Trump. OTOH, I cannot imagine Bush being this stupid or ignorant. I think he would have advocated for PPE and other effective measures.

Even then, it is difficult to imagine how much we have lost as a result of this. How can one parse it out?

To understand how badly America has handled COVID, it cannot just be my current knowledge of raw infections and deaths. I need a by-the-numbers review of other nations with statistics and descriptions of actions they took to achieve their results. Actions we did not take, and should have.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Far too much planning required for President Lazy-Boy.
The simple answer is likely the correct answer, the President is too lazy and doesn't like to attend intel briefings and doesn't admit being wrong on anything ever.

 

[HomerJS]

I would rate his incompetence the #1 reason. However I believe he thinks the disparate deaths of black people from COVID bonus points.

 

[MtnMan]

You really think Trump cares about the "poor right trash"?

His voters? Yea.

He knows that his voters are so fucking stupid that they will still vote for him even while he is killing of their grandma and grandpa.
He just has to fire them up with some racist reteroic.

 

[hal2kilo]

To me the most likely reason is that fighting a pandemic takes sustained, meticulous effort over a long period of time and Trump is literally psychologically incapable of doing that. He tried doing the right thing briefly and then his mental processes broke down so he looked for people to fight instead.

He’s evil but he’s also so mentally ill that things like this are just way beyond his ability to do even in the best of circumstances.

Way too much real work. When are people going to wake up. This is beyond his capabilities. End of story.