a person driving a suburban by themselves is getting less passenger-mpg than a concorde

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Hammerhead

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
All the more reason to join the Anti-SUV Brigade!!!

The new rims on your car ain't saving gas either, homey!

don't mind him, he liked his Rodeo when he owned it.

The only reason I bought that pile of junk was because it was cheap and I was able to pay cash for it to get rid of an even bigger pile of junk (money pit) BMW my wife owned.

It served its purpose of cheap transportation for the year or so that I owned it...even though it averaged about 14mpg. It was still cheaper than having a car payment. I almost traded it at one point to buy a Honda Civic. I'm glad I don't have it anymore regardless.

I'll never own another SUV.

Ahh yes... "It wasn't a bad car but it certainly wasn't great either" were your words. Unfortunate but not surprising that you bought a used car that had so many problems while I have the same exact car (for nearly 12 years now) with none of those problems that you had gone on about. Things like that can happen to any used car buyer. Whoever buys my car used would deal with bad power locks - and that's it. I don't think any of it has anything to do with "never owning another SUV". I think our last thread on this subject had you arguing SUV owners never use their car for what they should right ?

Those power locks are easy to fix BTW. Just pop the door panel off and there's a little plastic clip that pops out of the door easily and the lock stops working. It's very easy to fix yourself. I replaced a power window motor too which wasn't difficult.

I won't own another SUV because I don't have any need for one. I prefer a car that handles well and brakes well to a lumbering gas guzzling SUV. That's my preference. I wish more people would really take a good look at their needs when buying a vehicle instead of just buying an SUV because everyone else has one and because they look cool with those 20" wheels and 4 wheel drive.

Fortunately, higher gas prices are forcing people to do this for the most part. I welcome high gas prices and the death of the SUV. :thumbsup:

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: adairusmc=
OP

that would be me, and i don't care. i think it's funny watching people such as yourself get your panties in a twist. i put no value judgment in my post (go ahead, look for one), yet you feel you've been attacked. why is that? something to hide? agressive nature? ashamed of yourself? mommy not give you enough attention when you were little?

None of the above. I am just curious as to why people care about what mileage certain vehicles get. If someone wants to buy something that gets 1mpg, then they should be able to without ridicule, because it is their money, and their right. Your post just seemed like it was against those who drive SUV's.

Hmmm, the social impacts absorbed by the rest of society for an SUV's drivers decisions are much more complex than just pollution. The mere fact that taking every SUV off of the road would decrease foreign oil dependancy by 20% would drop worldwide oil prices by much more than 20%, considering that 20% is a massive chunk of worldwide production.

Lets not get in to the pollution, deaths, and other environmental costs.

I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

So you would also be for getting rid of exotic sports cars and muscle cars? What about pick-up trucks in the city? Get rid of those too? How about just getting rid of anything that gets less than 20 mpg?

 

[Toastedlightly]

What about those kids who burn gasoline for fun!>!??!!?!?!?

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

So you would also be for getting rid of exotic sports cars and muscle cars? What about pick-up trucks in the city? Get rid of those too? How about just getting rid of anything that gets less than 20 mpg?

Personally, I don't think we should get rid of them, I just think there should be more stringent taxing of them. For example, I'd love to see gas taxes higher in general with the proceeds being directly deposited into "lockboxes" (heh 🙂 )for funding R&D towards alternative power and fuel. I wouldn't mind seeing gas sit right around the price of the rest of the world $3-5 for a gallon.

Although, I would create some loopholes for transportation and commercial vehicles, but with strict limitations.

The best way to get rid of wasteful vehicles is to price them out of the market. That way, those who truly need them will be able to afford them. It's simple economics, those who can either pass on the costs of the taxes or will willingly pay those extra taxes because they need the added utilility (an SUV provides them a larger benefit along the utility curve) will pay for that.

I think that you'd see SUVs drop like flies and this country come to it's senses. Alas, too many PAC and lobbyists from Detroit and self-centered guzzlers would block it.

 

[Toastedlightly]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

So you would also be for getting rid of exotic sports cars and muscle cars? What about pick-up trucks in the city? Get rid of those too? How about just getting rid of anything that gets less than 20 mpg?

Personally, I don't think we should get rid of them, I just think there should be more stringent taxing of them. For example, I'd love to see gas taxes higher in general with the proceeds being directly deposited into "lockboxes" (heh 🙂 )for funding R&D towards alternative power and fuel. I wouldn't mind seeing gas sit right around the price of the rest of the world $3-5 for a gallon.

Although, I would create some loopholes for transportation and commercial vehicles, but with strict limitations.

The best way to get rid of wasteful vehicles is to price them out of the market. That way, those who truly need them will be able to afford them. It's simple economics, those who can either pass on the costs of the taxes or will willingly pay those extra taxes because they need the added utilility (an SUV provides them a larger benefit along the utility curve) will pay for that.

I think that you'd see SUVs drop like flies and this country come to it's senses. Alas, too many PAC and lobbyists from Detroit and self-centered guzzlers would block it.

What about hte people with a true use for them that cannot afford them due to government interference?

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
I won't own another SUV because I don't have any need for one. I prefer a car that handles well and brakes well to a lumbering gas guzzling SUV. That's my preference. I wish more people would really take a good look at their needs when buying a vehicle instead of just buying an SUV because everyone else has one and because they look cool with those 20" wheels and 4 wheel drive.

Fortunately, higher gas prices are forcing people to do this for the most part. I welcome high gas prices and the death of the SUV. :thumbsup:

Ok, so it comes back to the same thing - you bought an STi because you needed it. Nevermind all the other more affordable sedans or minivans which are more practical for your family - that get more than 18mpg. You needed that sports car with the awesome braking and cornering. Got it. :roll: See bold.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Phew that means I can still keep my G550.

MB G55 AMG

 

[Hammerhead]

Do anti-suv people have gas lawnmowers or the earth friendly alternative, electric lawnmowers.

 

[broon]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Personally, I don't think we should get rid of them, I just think there should be more stringent taxing of them. For example, I'd love to see gas taxes higher in general with the proceeds being directly deposited into "lockboxes" (heh 🙂 )for funding R&D towards alternative power and fuel. I wouldn't mind seeing gas sit right around the price of the rest of the world $3-5 for a gallon.

Although, I would create some loopholes for transportation and commercial vehicles, but with strict limitations.

The best way to get rid of wasteful vehicles is to price them out of the market. That way, those who truly need them will be able to afford them. It's simple economics, those who can either pass on the costs of the taxes or will willingly pay those extra taxes because they need the added utilility (an SUV provides them a larger benefit along the utility curve) will pay for that.

I think that you'd see SUVs drop like flies and this country come to it's senses. Alas, too many PAC and lobbyists from Detroit and self-centered guzzlers would block it.

There's already a gas guzzler tax. There's also already a huge tax on gas as it is. Our legislators have already proven they can't handle the money they get now. Additional funds would go to waste as well.

What makes you think a farmer will be able to afford a gas guzzling truck/suv just because he needs it? Auto makers will never price them out.

For the anti-suv crowd...I'd like to know how many recycle.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: adairusmc
None of the above. I am just curious as to why people care about what mileage certain vehicles get. If someone wants to buy something that gets 1mpg, then they should be able to without ridicule, because it is their money, and their right. Your post just seemed like it was against those who drive SUV's.

again, is there a value judgment expressed in the post? really, take a look. i'll wait.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

None of the above. I am just curious as to why people care about what mileage certain vehicles get. If someone wants to buy something that gets 1mpg, then they should be able to without ridicule, because it is their money, and their right.

Your post just seemed like it was against those who drive SUV's.

That would be correct

i don't need you trying to put words in my mouth.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Toastedlightly

What about hte people with a true use for them that cannot afford them due to government interference?

What do you define a "true use"?

I'd be interested in what uses an SUV has that you wouldn't be able to afford but *MUST* have beyond commercial use.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: broon
There's already a gas guzzler tax. There's also already a huge tax on gas as it is. Our legislators have already proven they can't handle the money they get now. Additional funds would go to waste as well.

What makes you think a farmer will be able to afford a gas guzzling truck/suv just because he needs it? Auto makers will never price them out.

For the anti-suv crowd...I'd like to know how many recycle.

Wow, a couple grand tacked on to a loan, which results in $30 extra a month. Considering that an SUV probably needs filled 4-5 times a month (if not more) and 30 gallons a fill (at the least), you are talking .2 a gallon. Wow, earth shattering!

No, I am talking about a 2-3 a gallon, every fill.

Farmers could be another exception.

I recycle. My wife and I also own 1 Honda Accord in perfect tune. I drive ~12mi to the Metro station (DC) drop my wife off, then about another 2mi to work, repeat on the way back.

 

[Rubycon]

It's still absurd that we live in an age that we depend on a machine that weighs several thousand pounds to transport a human that weighs 100 or so. :Q

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
All the more reason to join the Anti-SUV Brigade!!!

Sweet! I want to run around spray-painting SUV's so that I can feel important and beneficial to society while completely ignoring the law of the supply and demand too!

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
It's still absurd that we live in an age that we depend on a machine that weighs several thousand pounds to transport a human that weighs 100 or so. :Q

yeah we should use a horse. oh wait that still is more then a human. crap guess we will have to walk.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: waggy

yeah we should use a horse. oh wait that still is more then a human. crap guess we will have to walk.

Horses crap all over the place. Those 1 hp "air conditioned" taxis at Nassau are making the place smell worse than a rat's stern. :laugh:

Bicycling is where it's at. 🙂

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

So you would also be for getting rid of exotic sports cars and muscle cars? What about pick-up trucks in the city? Get rid of those too? How about just getting rid of anything that gets less than 20 mpg?

Personally, I don't think we should get rid of them, I just think there should be more stringent taxing of them. For example, I'd love to see gas taxes higher in general with the proceeds being directly deposited into "lockboxes" (heh 🙂 )for funding R&D towards alternative power and fuel. I wouldn't mind seeing gas sit right around the price of the rest of the world $3-5 for a gallon.

Although, I would create some loopholes for transportation and commercial vehicles, but with strict limitations.

The best way to get rid of wasteful vehicles is to price them out of the market. That way, those who truly need them will be able to afford them. It's simple economics, those who can either pass on the costs of the taxes or will willingly pay those extra taxes because they need the added utilility (an SUV provides them a larger benefit along the utility curve) will pay for that.

I think that you'd see SUVs drop like flies and this country come to it's senses. Alas, too many PAC and lobbyists from Detroit and self-centered guzzlers would block it.

the only people that are going to be hurt by 3-5$ a gallon are low income people. not the ones that can afford a SUV.

then you have poeple that actually use big trucks for what they are sopposed to be used. what about them? a small farmer who uses it on the farm can't afford teh penalty's many think big vehicles should have.

or what about big families? my in-laws used to have 3 foster kids +3 of there own. so they needed a big vehicle. should they be punished?


i do agree i would love to see SUV's off the road for the soccer mom etc. driving around that big a vehicle for 1 person is insane.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: waggy

yeah we should use a horse. oh wait that still is more then a human. crap guess we will have to walk.

Horses crap all over the place. Those 1 hp "air conditioned" taxis at Nassau are making the place smell worse than a rat's stern. :laugh:

Bicycling is where it's at. 🙂

hah we have a lot of people that have horses around here. You need to watch where you drive because there are little bombs all over the place. but as for the smell? its farmland. it does not smell to good anyway.

yeah bicycling is good. but not practicle for big families or around farms heh

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: LegendKiller

Originally posted by: broon

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
I am by no means a tree hugger, but I cannot stand rationales used for purchasing SUVs, nor can I stand the vehicles themselves. They are the prime example of a society who is so self-centered that they don't care about their over abundance of wastefullness.

So you would also be for getting rid of exotic sports cars and muscle cars? What about pick-up trucks in the city? Get rid of those too? How about just getting rid of anything that gets less than 20 mpg?

Personally, I don't think we should get rid of them, I just think there should be more stringent taxing of them. For example, I'd love to see gas taxes higher in general with the proceeds being directly deposited into "lockboxes" (heh 🙂 )for funding R&D towards alternative power and fuel. I wouldn't mind seeing gas sit right around the price of the rest of the world $3-5 for a gallon.

Although, I would create some loopholes for transportation and commercial vehicles, but with strict limitations.

The best way to get rid of wasteful vehicles is to price them out of the market. That way, those who truly need them will be able to afford them. It's simple economics, those who can either pass on the costs of the taxes or will willingly pay those extra taxes because they need the added utilility (an SUV provides them a larger benefit along the utility curve) will pay for that.

I think that you'd see SUVs drop like flies and this country come to it's senses. Alas, too many PAC and lobbyists from Detroit and self-centered guzzlers would block it.

the only people that are going to be hurt by 3-5$ a gallon are low income people. not the ones that can afford a SUV.

then you have poeple that actually use big trucks for what they are sopposed to be used. what about them? a small farmer who uses it on the farm can't afford teh penalty's many think big vehicles should have.

or what about big families? my in-laws used to have 3 foster kids +3 of there own. so they needed a big vehicle. should they be punished?


i do agree i would love to see SUV's off the road for the soccer mom etc. driving around that big a vehicle for 1 person is insane.

I fail to see how society is crashing in europe. Perhaps it'll spur more use of mass transit.

 

[BlancoNino]

I think punishing people through taxation for buying SUV's is seriously immoral.

At times, when I'm driving, I feel like there's no need for big vehicles to be driven. The restaurant I work at gets filled up in the parking lot during lunch time, with only a very small percentage of them being cars. Most are Vans, SUV's, and Full-size trucks with 1 or 2 people in them. The quick way to judge would be to say "WHAT A WASTE!" But you have to think deeper than that. What if the person driving that truck actually needs it? Hauling boats, trailors, wood, supplies, etc is something that a huge majority of americans do at some point...thus the need for them. Should we expect them to buy a smaller car in addition to save money on gas? No, because even with the amount of gas saved per year, it will still be much more costly to a person to own an additional car. Think outside the box, folks.

We had a full-size truck growing up because we went camping and hauled a trailor. At hard financial times and with my sister and I getting our licenses, my mom started driving the truck by herself everyday to work so my sister could drive the car.

 

[MBrown]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
All the more reason to join the Anti-SUV Brigade!!!

SUVs arent all that bad. If you live in the northeast where it snows a lot in the winter you want something 4WD and can drive the family around, Yes there are subaru etc but they arent as roomy inside.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: MBrown

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
All the more reason to join the Anti-SUV Brigade!!!

SUVs arent all that bad. If you live in the northeast where it snows a lot in the winter you want something 4WD and can drive the family around, Yes there are subaru etc but they arent as roomy inside.

And what do you do when it comes time to haul the family boat/trailor/crapload of camping supplies? Subaru's are GREAT cars for the winter, but not for towing or big load capacity.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: rh71
I think the Suburban can do a little more than the Concorde. At any rate, you pay for its practicality and the mpg is the tradeoff. A single bachelor-guy living in the city is not going to purchase a Suburban while a family with kids is more likely to.

They don't have to be using it to its fullest potential all the time... just like JulesMaximus doesn't do 0-60 in 5 secs with his WRX at every stoplight. Dang haters.

No, he'll be doing it in 5.7. 😛