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A Muslim's perspective

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Infohawk said:
I'm not helping someone who won't even look at a website that he badmouths. The Trump quote freely available on google news.

A mosque that was already present before 9/11 is not insensitive for obvious reasons. The people who built it couldn't have known that a heinous Islamic terror act would have been committed there. The people building the new mosque can't say the same thing.

And btw, I have no reason you are more or less Muslim than the ones who crashed planes into the WTC. You don't decide who is Muslim or who isn't.
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Fern, I would like to address this post to you. This is exactly why not supporting the building of the Islamic Community Center forces Muslims to accept the responsibility of 9/11.

Infohawk, if the religion explicity forbids murder, I can safely say that the people who were responsible for 9/11 are more terrorists/thugs than Muslims.

Furthermore, if Muslims can pray at Warren Street, why can they not pray at Park Place? Thats just odd logic.

Please feel free to not help me, you are not obliged to help. 🙂
 
Infohawk said:
I haven't made any death threats or even suggested it be illegal to build the mosque. No bullying. Just stating an opinion you disagree with, liar.
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There you go again with making up your own definitions.

You don't have to make death threats or say something is illegal to be a bully. You are a bully. You wish for a minority group to submit to satisfy your own ego.
 
nick1985 said:
Oh shut up, Infohawk is far from being a right winger. He is probably one of the most centrist posters here
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Overall he may be, but when it comes to minority, ethnic, and immigrant issues he has most certainly adopted far-right views.

Take someone such as Geert Wilders, someone you probably worship. He is very liberal on most issues except when it comes to the presence and rights of ethnic minorities. He takes on ultra far-right viewpoints on that one point.

Perhaps Infohawk is best described as a Europeanized centrist.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Routan, you can take my advice or leave it but at this point you've made your point and people will have made up their minds. We've gotten to the baiting part of this game and while that hasn't worked I see no reason to play along. You're the one who makes the call but IMO there's no loss of face to refuse to keep banging your head against the wall.
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Done.

Thank you to the sensible posters.

Thank you also to those who contributed with a differing viewpoint. I hope you would be more reasonable and choose a less hateful path 🙂
 
CanOWorms said:
Routan, it's about supremacy. People adopting far-right extremist views, such as Infohawk here, will not stop until you submit. They want to project their anger against a tiny American population they believe can be bullied. They think this is their country, not your country.

They don't care about the mosque or its location really. It's all about having a minority group submit.

You have to be strong and prevail over them. It's essentially a civil rights struggle. In the future, you will be viewed as on the good side. People opposed will be viewed as segregationists and such are viewed today.
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Uh no, it's nothing like that but keep trying to tell yourself that if it helps you feel better.
 
routan said:
Fern, I would like to address this post to you. This is exactly why not supporting the building of the Islamic Community Center forces Muslims to accept the responsibility of 9/11.

Infohawk, if the religion explicity forbids murder, I can safely say that the people who were responsible for 9/11 are more terrorists/thugs than Muslims.

Furthermore, if Muslims can pray at Warren Street, why can they not pray at Park Place? Thats just odd logic.

Please feel free to not help me, you are not obliged to help. 🙂
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Nobody said they can't pray at a new mosque. People are saying it's insensitive. Why? Because one was built before and one was built after 9/11. It's not that complicated.

I could easily point to violent portions of the Quran or that Muhammed murdered people but you wouldn't even look at the websites so what's the point? Again, the Quran says many things and you are not the arbiter of what is Muslim or not.
 
routan said:
Done.

Thank you to the sensible posters.

Thank you also to those who contributed with a differing viewpoint. I hope you would be more reasonable and choose a less hateful path 🙂
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lol, was the last like supposed to imply that those who do not agree with you are on a "hateful path"?
Not surprising if so...
 
Infohawk said:
Nobody said they can't pray at a new mosque. People are saying it's insensitive. Why? Because one was built before and one was built after 9/11. It's not that complicated.

I could easily point to violent portions of the Quran or that Muhammed murdered people but you wouldn't even look at the websites so what's the point? Again, the Quran says many things and you are not the arbiter of what is Muslim or not.
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Infohawk, thank you for your contribution 🙂
 
CanOWorms said:
Overall he may be, but when it comes to minority, ethnic, and immigrant issues he has most certainly adopted far-right views.

Perhaps Infohawk is best described as a Europeanized centrist.
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This is my last troll-feeding post of this thread. Suffice it to say you're just a liar. It would be one thing if you merely said I was a racist but you've called a lot of posters on this forum racist, including posters who take the left-wing position on immigration and minority rights. If anyone disagrees with you they are a European supremacist according to you. On another forum you'd have been sanctioned by now for spouting so many bald lies.
 
Infohawk said:
This is my last troll-feeding post of this thread. Suffice it to say you're just a liar. It would be one thing if you merely said I was a racist but you've called a lot of posters on this forum racist, including posters who take the left-wing position on immigration and minority rights. If anyone disagrees with you they are a European supremacist according to you. On another forum you'd have been sanctioned by now for spouting so many bald lies.
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I've called very few people here racists. The ones I do are genocide-deniers or those who explicitly stated racial slurs. You are just the type who says that everyone else is calling everyone racist. It's interesting because it's almost as if you and your buddies want to be declared a racist, too. If you were around in MLK Jr's time you would be calling him a racist.

Sorry, I see no lies. In my opinion, this entire situation is all about supremacy.
 
routan said:
Infohawk, thank you for your contribution 🙂
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You're welcome. I hope other posters have noted your defense of destruction of historic Bhuddist monuments and badmouthing of websites that you aren't even willing to look at. Don't worry though, Hayabusa Rider is your fan and he holds the keys.
 
nick1985 said:
Oh shut up, Infohawk is far from being a right winger. He is probably one of the most centrist posters here
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LOL - I don't think that a maniac who thinks that it's OK to murder millions of people is a centrist. He's an extremist. The very definition of it. However, he'll cry about the definition.
 
routan said:
America has had history of bad behavior towards a group of people, be it African Americans, Orientals (during WW2), perceived Communists and so on. I urge every one here to not let history repeat itself.
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Rather, humanity has a history of bigotry and xenophobia because we allow our establishments to exploit such tensions to further their own power. My fellow Americas simply continue to let history repeat itself as we hold democratic power over the sole remaining superpower state, which we defer that power to the same mentality of people who have always plotted and schemed to remain the ruling class of society. In this case they have people freaking out over Arabs/Islam to continue their war profiteering, just like they had everyone worked up to irrational levels against African Americans, Orientals (during WW2), perceived Communists and so on, such as the ruling class has been doing since long before this nation ever existed.

Infohawk said:
I could easily point to violent portions of the Quran or that Muhammed murdered people but you wouldn't even look at the websites so what's the point?
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He, said he wasn't going to visit terrorist websites, but I'm sure he'd be happy to look at whatever portions of Qur'an you are referring to. While I'm familiar with the book and the considerable violence in it, I'm at a loss as to what you are defining as murder here. I certainly don't know of anything in Qur'an which could be argued as justifying the 9/11 attacks in any even vaguely logical manor.
 
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routan said:
Fern, I would like to address this post to you. This is exactly why not supporting the building of the Islamic Community Center forces Muslims to accept the responsibility of 9/11.

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You are forced to accept something because of others' opinions? I do not think so. I don't think you do either. What kind of impression does your refusal to even consider another location give to those opposed to the current location? Does it mean this site holds some special significance? Does it lead them to the opinion the GZ Mosque is indeed a 'Victory Mosque'? If so, must you accept that also?

I think not; you can refuse to accept responsibility for 9/11 just as you can refuse to accept that this is a 'Victory Mosque'.

So, I do not think it forces Muslims to accept the responsibility of 9/11 anymore than it forces me to support Quran burning to show my support for my Constitution and the 1st Amendment.

I feel I can oppose burning the Quran without denouncing the 1st Amendment, just as many Muslim can support moving the Mosque without accepting responsibility for 9/11. (I have seen several Arab-American Muslims on TV agreeing to the move out of sensitivity to others' feelings even though they don't share them.)

Compromise of the burning of teh Quran? Not so much, I'd prefer they just not do it. I see nothing constructive.

Compromise on the location? While I don't share the sensitivites of those opposed, I can see compromise here. But IMO that compromise shouldn't be unduly burdensome upon the Mosque's members. If others (e.g., Patterson & Trump) are willing to help facilitate another suitable location (suitable in the Mosque's members' opinion), including financial support, I think it reasonable to listen and consider their offer of assistance. Just to engage in such dialogue etc would be an act of 'building bridges', outright refusal? - not so much.

Fern
 
routan said:
How do you know this? Just because it hasnt been done? What is even the probability of a German culture center and a Holocaust Museum being in the same vicinity. That analogy, my friend, is fairy tale arguemnt. This is the Newt Gingrich reasoning, you just replaced Nazi sign in his statement with a German cultural center.

Again, I ask you, how much further is further? And what are your thoughts about the Warren Street mosque and the lack of interest that mosque generated?
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The poor bigoted fool doesn't know anything; he's just blowing smoke out his ass. He has absolutely zero rights to block a constitutionally legal mosque just as he has every right to burn the Quran. That's the deal America offers. Each person decides who to offend if he can legally do so, and whether he himself will allow himself to be offended.

You can't avoid offending folk who attach their own self worth to things that can be burned or built on and you can't offend those who don't. America was created by some folk who were in some ways very very advanced. They put some big roadblocks up against control freaks of all kinds.
 
Infohawk said:
You're welcome. I hope other posters have noted your defense of destruction of historic Bhuddist monuments and badmouthing of websites that you aren't even willing to look at. Don't worry though, Hayabusa Rider is your fan and he holds the keys.
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Actually I'm a fan of people not ranting and raving. I don't have to agree with someone's POV, not his, not yours. On the other hand, when someone comes to a forum to express an opinion, and there's considerable angst against his particular group, I reserve the right to reassure that person that they won't get banned because of their political or religious views. I think that's reasonable. Now if he starts attacking people personally and keeps at it, I can put on my robe and moderator hat and kick him. Note that's how I worded it. As long as he keeps to the standard then he's safe.

Now if you have any other comments, veiled or otherwise about my actions as a moderator, there is a proper forum for it, and this ain't the one.

N'est-ce pas?
 
Infohawk said:
You're right, Nick's blinded. He obviously reading too much into my bitching about Bush, the Iraq war, and fundamentalist Christians.
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He's ignoring your support for eradication of the Roma, denial of genocide, hatred of Muslims, etc. Generally if it's about an oppressed group, minorities, immigrants then you go extreme far-right on us all.
 
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