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A Letter to the President

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
That is him, I'm guessing you just haven't seen much of the show if you think he is a Democract.
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I watched a lot of the show during the Clinton administration. Clinton could do no wrong. Maybe he has cleaned up his act for political reasons, but he stunk then.

 
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
That is him, I'm guessing you just haven't seen much of the show if you think he is a Democract.
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I watched a lot of the show during the Clinton administration. Clinton could do no wrong. Maybe he has cleaned up his act for political reasons, but he stunk then.
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Again, he backed Dole in '96, obviously he thought Clinton could do more wrong than Dole.
 
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: mikeford
I stick with what I said, he has a lot of nerve, but I see no evidence of guts.
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I thought the below in the extended aftermath to 9/11, but didn't say it on this forum:
"Bush should stop calling the terrorists cowards: WE stand back 2000 miles and lob cruise missles. They drive an airplane right into the building. What ever they are, they are not cowards."
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I didn't type it here because I didn't have the guts. Bill Maher did.

Because of this, he lost his TV show.

Your inability to acknowledge his guts speaks volumes about you. You are blinded by your ideology.

So, even if the TRUTH rears up and bites you on the ass, if it disagrees with your ideological world view, you cannot admit it.

Pathetic. You're pathetic.

And your blind adherence to your ideology, which is after all only a reductionist MODEL of the world, has made you so.
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You're absolutely right man. Going to pilot school and abusing the freedoms allowed by this country to take over a plane and in blind hate kill over 3000 people many of whom were not even Americans, and not ONE was in a position of political power or influence involving the situations which the terrorists used for their justification. The fact you call what Bill Maher said to be gutsy or have anything to do with guts is so classless it is almost unfathomable.

He lost his show for making a statement basically praising terrorists for attacking and KILLING innocent people just because they were willing to kill themselves in the process. That is not guts. That is just, ignorant, insensitive, and down-right stupid of him to say. He deserved to lose his job because that was a slap in the face of all Americans but ESPECIALLY the people who lost their loved ones in 9/11. Tell ya what. I live in NYC. You come over here and tell my wife why one of her good friends she knew for YEARS and went to scholl with is dead and how the terrorists that ended his life in an instant by flying a plane into the building he worked in aren't cowards. Or better yet, a friend of mine I sang a gig with 2 years ago how his WIFE in that same building was not killed by a coward.

You see Perknose, people like YOU, with dogmatic political beliefs to the point of having NO HUMAN sensitivity except for when it justifies your belief system is what's wrong with this country. In the several months I have read this section yours is the first post to truly sicken me...:disgust:
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: mikeford
I stick with what I said, he has a lot of nerve, but I see no evidence of guts.
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I thought the below in the extended aftermath to 9/11, but didn't say it on this forum:
"Bush should stop calling the terrorists cowards: WE stand back 2000 miles and lob cruise missles. They drive an airplane right into the building. What ever they are, they are not cowards."
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I didn't type it here because I didn't have the guts. Bill Maher did.

Because of this, he lost his TV show.

Your inability to acknowledge his guts speaks volumes about you. You are blinded by your ideology.

So, even if the TRUTH rears up and bites you on the ass, if it disagrees with your ideological world view, you cannot admit it.

Pathetic. You're pathetic.

And your blind adherence to your ideology, which is after all only a reductionist MODEL of the world, has made you so.
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You're absolutely right man. Going to pilot school and abusing the freedoms allowed by this country to take over a plane and in blind hate kill over 3000 people many of whom were not even Americans, and not ONE was in a position of political power or influence involving the situations which the terrorists used for their justification.

He lost his show for making a statement basically praising terrorists attacking innocent people just because they were willing to kill themselves in the process. That is not guts. That is just, ignorant, insensitive, and down-right stupid of him to say. He deserved to lose his job because that was a slap in the face of all Americans but ESPECIALLY the people who lost their loved ones in 9/11. Tell ya what. I live in NYC. You come over here and tell my wife why one of her friends she knew for YEARS is dead and how the terrorists that ended his life in an instant by flying a plane into the building he worked in aren't cowards. Or better yet, a friend of mine I sang a gig with 2 years ago how his WIFE was not killed by a coward.

YOu see, people like YOU, with dogmatic political beliefs to the point of having NO HUMAN sensitivity except for when it justifies your belief system is what's wrong with this country. In the several months I have read this section yours is the first post to truly sicken me...:disgust:
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Wow, you sure missed the point.

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The point is there is no place on TV for remarks like Bill Mahers PERIOD. I didn;t miss the point. I think anyone supporting such statements should be flogged. But hey, I only knew people who died in 9/11 sorry... The fact that the leftist idiots want to now minimize or even BLAME America for what happened is sickening. Bill Maher is nothing more than a talking head for the Left claiming to be a libertarian to hide behind a coat of liberalism.. Defending his statement and calling that "guts" is what is missing the point...
 
I find it sickling that you let your emotion overwhelm you to the point of not being able to understand the emotions of others. I am sorry for your loss but I cannot accept it as an excuse for your belligerence any more I could accept that of the bastards that crashed into the towers.
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
The point is there is no place on TV for remarks like Bill Mahers PERIOD. I didn;t miss the point. I think anyone supporting such statements should be flogged. But hey, I only knew people who died in 9/11 sorry... The fact that the leftist idiots want to now minimize or even BLAME America for what happened is sickening. Bill Maher is nothing more than a talking head for the Left claiming to be a libertarian to hide behind a coat of liberalism.. Defending his statement and calling that "guts" is what is missing the point...
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You're in the wrong country, buddy. People with attitude like yours are very sought after in Iran, Iraq, Uzbekistan, and similar assorted bastions of freedom and democracy. I don't like the fat drug addict whose "show" is heard by way more people than Maher's, but I don't go calling for it to be taken off the air.
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: operaman1
The point is there is no place on TV for remarks like Bill Mahers PERIOD. I didn;t miss the point. I think anyone supporting such statements should be flogged. But hey, I only knew people who died in 9/11 sorry... The fact that the leftist idiots want to now minimize or even BLAME America for what happened is sickening. Bill Maher is nothing more than a talking head for the Left claiming to be a libertarian to hide behind a coat of liberalism.. Defending his statement and calling that "guts" is what is missing the point...
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You're in the wrong country, buddy. People with attitude like yours are very sought after in Iran, Iraq, Uzbekistan, and similar assorted bastions of freedom and democracy. I don't like the fat drug addict whose "show" is heard by way more people than Maher's, but I don't go calling for it to be taken off the air.
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Let me guess you are liberal. I bet you even somewhere deep inside blame America and feel they were justified in the attacks... :disgust:

But wait, any racist or prejjudicial remarks made by someone (i.e. Rusah Limbaugh on Donavan McNabb which has proven true based on his Super Bowl choke job) is wrong. Why? According to you it should "all be okay" right??

By the way. love the drug addict remarks... :roll: Glad to know you are really looking at things from both sides...
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: operaman1
The point is there is no place on TV for remarks like Bill Mahers PERIOD. I didn;t miss the point. I think anyone supporting such statements should be flogged. But hey, I only knew people who died in 9/11 sorry... The fact that the leftist idiots want to now minimize or even BLAME America for what happened is sickening. Bill Maher is nothing more than a talking head for the Left claiming to be a libertarian to hide behind a coat of liberalism.. Defending his statement and calling that "guts" is what is missing the point...
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You're in the wrong country, buddy. People with attitude like yours are very sought after in Iran, Iraq, Uzbekistan, and similar assorted bastions of freedom and democracy. I don't like the fat drug addict whose "show" is heard by way more people than Maher's, but I don't go calling for it to be taken off the air.
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Let me guess you are liberal. I bet you even somewhere deep inside blame America and feel they were justified in the attacks... :disgust:

But wait, any racist or prejjudicial remarks made by someone (i.e. Rusah Limbaugh on Donavan McNabb which has proven true based on his Super Bowl choke job) is wrong. Why? According to you it should "all be okay" right??

By the way. love the drug addict remarks... :roll: Glad to know you are really looking at things from both sides...
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Perk's point wasn't whether Maher was right or wrong with that comment, his point is that it took guts to say what he did, especially at that time.


BTW, I'm not so sure the proper description of those terrorist is cowardly. There are plenty of other negative thinhgs that are more precise, like monsterous, inhumane, savage, brutal, etc.
 
Okay I see your point. My point is that Maher was WAY out of line for some of his remarks. You know Pat Buchanan has said a lot of things that were controversial. Funny how I find them offensive and stupid as well as opposed to having the guts to say it.

Obviously we cannot begin censorship of remarks or we would have a Fascist Dictatorship soon. That said, I really hate it when people say and do things (i.e. Howard Stern, etc) just to push the envelope of free speech...

As for Maher's remarks, the facts are that the terrorists attacked a defenseless and harmless group of people. Running a plane into a military compound or a battleship now that takes GUTS and at least you are attacking an opponent capable of retaliating...
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
Running a plane into a military compound or a battleship now that takes GUTS and at least you are attacking an opponent capable of retaliating...
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Actully killing people from a distance so that your life will not be in danger would be a perfect example of cowardly. Those inhumane bastards didn't even take their own lives into account when they commited those atrocities. Now an attack on an armed military compound would seem rather heroic (depending on which side you are on) Of course what those extremist fscktards did was not heroic in the least but it also wasn't cowardly. It was evil, wrong and IMO subhuman.
 
Well than why not kill people responsible for your struggle? I find killing WEAPONLESS people who you KNOW are not capable of stopping you even if it means you are dying as well cowardly. Willingly killing yourself is not brave or requiring of guts. I would say all of your adjectives apply, but add cowardly to the list as well...
 
They attacked the center of our commerce which does very bear much responsibility for their struggle. Note that I am not saying the attack was justified, I think nothing of the sort. Reguardless, I am capable of understanding how they diluted themselves into believing otherwise.
 
My point is go after the leaders who make these decisions. Killing innocent people trying to make a paycheck is not the way to win people to your view. But hey, the point is we all need to die acording to them anyway. Good point about the commerce. The attack was well calculated, well thought out, and well deployed. Frankly, 9/11 is the single biggest reason the world economy has not recovered and may never recover...

 
Originally posted by: operaman1
Well than why not kill people responsible for your struggle? I find killing WEAPONLESS people who you KNOW are not capable of stopping you even if it means you are dying as well cowardly.
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OK lets take your example a step further. Would you have considered the German General who planted the bomb that almost killed Hitler a Coward? Hitler wasn't armed. How about those Mossad Agents who killed thosw terrorists who were responsible for the Munich Massacre? Many of those Terrorist weren't armed at the time of their assasinations. It seems to me your definition of cowardly depends on who it is being killed.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: operaman1
Well than why not kill people responsible for your struggle? I find killing WEAPONLESS people who you KNOW are not capable of stopping you even if it means you are dying as well cowardly.
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OK lets take your example a step further. Would you have considered the German General who planted the bomb that almost killed Hitler a Coward? Hitler wasn't armed. How about those Mossad Agents who killed thosw terrorists who were responsible for the Munich Massacre? Many of those Terrorist weren't armed at the time of their assasinations. It seems to me your definition of cowardly depends on who it is being killed.
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Easy to disprove your logic there. In each instance you listed people DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for what happened to the other group. Many innocent people who have never conspired against or dealt with their culture were killed in 9/11. Your comparison is like comparing Hitler and his atrocities to an innocent baby in the middle of Indiana. With the justification being the baby is an American and he/she needs to die (Actually that is exactly how a lot of the extremists think :shocked: ) That is how far off your comparison is. Listen, at this point it is ridiculous to continue. You are obviously an intelligent person with your views. You are not going to agree with me and I sure am not going to agree with you. So there really is no point...
 
Originally posted by: operaman1
My point is go after the leaders who make these decisions. Killing innocent people trying to make a paycheck is not the way to win people to your view. But hey, the point is we all need to die acording to them anyway. Good point about the commerce. The attack was well calculated, well thought out, and well deployed. Frankly, 9/11 is the single biggest reason the world economy has not recovered and may never recover...
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In a democracy we are all responsible for the actions of our leadership.
 
Who would have guessed it. A troll arrives full of opioions without factual information. Calls out a respected member of the forum because he doesn't like the fact that the member nailed it with the "blinded by your ideology" quote.

Guts (see 4b)
 
Originally posted by: Condor
Has Mahrer still got that closet thing going on for Clinton. I mean, Clinton could do no wrong in his eyes and everytime he mentioned his name the eyes glittered!
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"Bill Clinton visited New Orleans during a hurricane once, he was "Blown" behind a dumpster" - Bill Maher


According to you he would never say something like that, strange world we live in.

 
Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: Condor
Has Mahrer still got that closet thing going on for Clinton. I mean, Clinton could do no wrong in his eyes and everytime he mentioned his name the eyes glittered!
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"Bill Clinton visited New Orleans during a hurricane once, he was "Blown" behind a dumpster" - Bill Maher


According to you he would never say something like that, strange world we live in.
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this is the same Bill Maher that said he shouldn;t be impeached which he should have. LYING UNDER OATH is a felony, but hey I guess being disbarred like he was is just another Neocon plot eh? Liberals can be so silly sometimes...:roll:

 
Originally posted by: Caminetto
Who would have guessed it. A troll arrives full of opioions without factual information. Calls out a respected member of the forum because he doesn't like the fact that the member nailed it with the "blinded by your ideology" quote.

Guts (see 4b)
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Repected by whom? The other mindless liberal crony Bush haters? Well then by all means. Here have a ..........................................:cookie:

Wouldn't be because I am right now huh? Sorry. Didn't know you had to be a member for a long time here and kiss liberal ass to be a good guy. Well sorry chief, er... Red Dawn, but opinions that don't agree with you are not necessarily wrong. BTW, according to 4B of your definition Rush Limbaugh is a gutsy guy. As is Sean Hannity and Michael Savage. Cool, so now we can even say the Ultra Right Wingers are "gutsy" too.... Sweet... :beer:
 
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