Pffff....
Dammit Zakath, warn me next time before I get Diet Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard!!!
: ) Hopper
Dammit Zakath, warn me next time before I get Diet Dr. Pepper all over my keyboard!!!
: ) Hopper
First - Good Rant Grasshopper!Originally posted by: MichaelD
PFFFFT! What kinda pansy-ass rant is this?
Judging by your thread title, I thought this was going to be a GOOD rant about how EVIL children are with their snotty noses and disrespectful mouths.
Instead, you take the Minivan-driving-soccer-ball-sticker-on-the-window high moral ground about how we should punish people that "even think of harming children."
I'll bet if you saw me smack my son's ass in the middle of the supermarket b/c he tore down a shelf of jars, you'd call the cops on your cell phone and report " a case of child abuse." Wouldn't you?
And you take the Rusted-tired 'ole-"if you can read this the b!tch fell off" mentality about how all kids are evil because you don't get along well with yours.
Second - Call the cops/report child abuse = really depends on how hard you smack your kid MichaelD. But the issue for you seems to be a bit more than one or two smackings. The issues you have with your son do not warrant wholesale bashing of anyone else who has a different (read "More enjoyable") experience with their children.
I in fact do consider my children a gift. Trying at times? Of course. Have they pulled down items in the grocery store and gotten into similar situations? Certainly. I respond appropriately to the situation - a stern word if the error was unintentional, a quick swat if the error was performed in defiance. Some situations warrant swifter or more aggressive action, but that swiftness or aggressiveness should never be acted upon out of anger. Perhaps it's just the particular nature of my kids or the way my wife and i are raising them, but they listen and learn quickly when being corrected. And some days no matter how well taught, well kept they are or how wonderful you are they just push every button and test the limits of our patience. But they are still gifts.
Third No matter which methodology of child rearing anyone ascribes to - one thing is certain: Children receive most behavioral characterization from simply watching their parents and how they do and deal with situations. You can have the best training manual in the world and be entirely ineffective if your own actions do not exemplify the qualities you seek to instill.
Children very quickly become the mirror which shows us our own shortcomings and frailties.
We often place upon our children the burden of learning and growing up, without addressing our own shortcomings.
Lastly, And some children are simply much more of a handful and difficult than anyone can imagine unless you are that child's parent. It does not release us however, from caring for the best interest of that child, thinking and hoping for the benefit of that child, being an example for that child to acknowledge as a good and worthwhile role model and for providing that child a environment from which to feel safe and loved.
That is silly... Parents have the right to spank their children...Originally posted by: MichaelD
PFFFFT! What kinda pansy-ass rant is this?
Judging by your thread title, I thought this was going to be a GOOD rant about how EVIL children are with their snotty noses and disrespectful mouths.
Instead, you take the Minivan-driving-soccer-ball-sticker-on-the-window high moral ground about how we should punish people that "even think of harming children."
I'll bet if you saw me smack my son's ass in the middle of the supermarket b/c he tore down a shelf of jars, you'd call the cops on your cell phone and report " a case of child abuse." Wouldn't you?
You can't argue or reason with a 2 year old, you have to sometimes simply enforce your will upon them. You're the adult, they are 2 years old, nothing you can do about that...
There is a line that shouldn't be crossed...
Anyone remember the security video of that lady who punched her daugher in the parking lot? That was crossing the line.
: ) Hopper
Who said anything about blinders?
What to know the test to figure out if the spanking is "bad" or not?
Are you spanking the child out of anger and frustration, or are you doing to to teach a lesson?
A spank should hurt the parent far more than it hurts the child...
: ) Hopper
Michael, I'd prefer to not rub you at all...Originally posted by: MichaelD
You just had to disqualify me on a technicality, didn't you?
I dunno; his Lovey-kiddie, Soapbox Preaching just rubbed me the wrong way I guess. I have been up for too long. Need sleep. But I'm not leaving yet. I'm not argued-out yet.
BTW, my thread has been hi-jacked!
: ) Hopper
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
Michael, I'd prefer to not rub you at all...Originally posted by: MichaelD
You just had to disqualify me on a technicality, didn't you?
I dunno; his Lovey-kiddie, Soapbox Preaching just rubbed me the wrong way I guess. I have been up for too long. Need sleep. But I'm not leaving yet. I'm not argued-out yet.
BTW, my thread has been hi-jacked!
: ) Hopper
Pics?
Yes, it has.
500 Grasshopper Points to you!
I'd give you a hug, but I've got a new "no hugs to men" policy...
*runs off in search of ohtwell*
: ) Hopper
1,000 Grasshopper Points to you!!!Originally posted by: MichaelD
I actually liked the Grasshopper Points thing.
: ) Hopper
Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
500 Grasshopper Points to you!
I'd give you a hug, but I've got a new "no hugs to men" policy...
*runs off in search of ohtwell*
: ) Hopper
Damn, there goes any semblance of action that I was getting tonight!Darn female friend has to live in the Tri Cities... why can't she just drive up for an evening...
Hey, 4 was a compromise... I wanted 6 and when I told Thumper this, she just looked at me with her big brown eyes and said, "just who were you planning to have six kids with?"
/me 0wned!
Anyway, she felt she wanted 2 or 3, I said I wouldn't be happy with less than 4 and would prefer 5 really. She said ok, she'd would agree to 4, anything beyond that would depend on how the first 4 went...
: ) Hopper
Yeah that's what my dad used to say as well. This is hurting me more then it is you...but I'll be damned if that was true..the man is 6'5 270lbs, he spanked hard. LOL
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Sorry man, but Thumper's going to be home from work in about an hour and a half... Got to save myself for her...
*shrug*
Mmm... I remember those days... a good FB is nice to have when you're alone and need some lovin'
: ) Hopper
Obviously that is just a saying and it has limits...
If you're causing bruses and leaving marks, you're spaking far too hard...
A spank is an attention getter and is not inteded as a form of physical harm. It should get the child's attention, not harm them.
: ) Hopper
MichaelD
Lifer
- Jan 16, 2001
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Originally posted by: Sketcher
First - Good Rant Grasshopper!Originally posted by: MichaelD
PFFFFT! What kinda pansy-ass rant is this?
Judging by your thread title, I thought this was going to be a GOOD rant about how EVIL children are with their snotty noses and disrespectful mouths.
Instead, you take the Minivan-driving-soccer-ball-sticker-on-the-window high moral ground about how we should punish people that "even think of harming children."
I'll bet if you saw me smack my son's ass in the middle of the supermarket b/c he tore down a shelf of jars, you'd call the cops on your cell phone and report " a case of child abuse." Wouldn't you?
And you take the Rusted-tired 'ole-"if you can read this the b!tch fell off" mentality about how all kids are evil because you don't get along well with yours.
Second - Call the cops/report child abuse = really depends on how hard you smack your kid MichaelD. But the issue for you seems to be a bit more than one or two smackings. The issues you have with your son do not warrant wholesale bashing of anyone else who has a different (read "More enjoyable") experience with their children.
I in fact do consider my children a gift. Trying at times? Of course. Have they pulled down items in the grocery store and gotten into similar situations? Certainly. I respond appropriately to the situation - a stern word if the error was unintentional, a quick swat if the error was performed in defiance. Some situations warrant swifter or more aggressive action, but that swiftness or aggressiveness should never be acted upon out of anger. Perhaps it's just the particular nature of my kids or the way my wife and i are raising them, but they listen and learn quickly when being corrected. And some days no matter how well taught, well kept they are or how wonderful you are they just push every button and test the limits of our patience. But they are still gifts.
Third No matter which methodology of child rearing anyone ascribes to - one thing is certain: Children receive most behavioral characterization from simply watching their parents and how they do and deal with situations. You can have the best training manual in the world and be entirely ineffective if your own actions do not exemplify the qualities you seek to instill.
Children very quickly become the mirror which shows us our own shortcomings and frailties.
We often place upon our children the burden of learning and growing up, without addressing our own shortcomings.
Lastly, And some children are simply much more of a handful and difficult than anyone can imagine unless you are that child's parent. It does not release us however, from caring for the best interest of that child, thinking and hoping for the benefit of that child, being an example for that child to acknowledge as a good and worthwhile role model and for providing that child a environment from which to feel safe and loved.
Thanks, Doctor Spock. You should write a book. I've done quite well with my son, despite the quite untraditional Father-Son situation we have been forced into.
I will admit that you're right on one count, though; my bad experience has soured me greatly, however, I also see my own friends that are in traditional marriages w/kids become absolutely MISERABLE b/c of their kids. It's not all roses. My idea of a "trying experience" might not be yours at all. We all have different strengths and weaknesses.
Possibly, a child screaming for hours and throwing things doesn't faze you one bit...it infuriates me. OTOH, maybe you can't fix a car worth crap and get frustrated quickly (just an example) whereas I'll work at it all day until I get it right. Diff strengths and weaknesses.
So you would agree with grasshopper's statement that the spank is meant to get the child's attention and not to physically harm them?
No, I'm asking a simple question. When you spank the child, are you trying to get their attention, or are you trying to physically harm them?
I became a father to a beautiful little girl when I was 16 years old...
When I was 18, both my g/f and my daughter were killed by a drunk driver (there is another group that I have no tolerance for, for obvious reasons)...
I've posted about this before, I'm surprised you forgot about that...
/me too damm tired to yell at you right now...
: ( Hopper
MichaelD
Lifer
- Jan 16, 2001
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I already answered that question. Why would someone purposely try to physically harm their own kid? Unless they are a sicko and need a smack themselves.
Sometimes there's no other way to draw the child's attention to the fact that they are doing wrong than a good smack in the ass. When talking until you're blue in the face has a nil affect, then it's time to break out the spankings.
MichaelD
Lifer
- Jan 16, 2001
- 31,528
- 3
- 76
Well, I did forget about it, and I do apologize for that. However, your two years of fatherhood, when you weren't even an adult yet does not qualify you to speak on child rearing. Sorry.
I'm not trying to be mean. Please don't take it that way. I just feel that the trials and tribulations I've gone thru for the past 7+ years of trying to raise/educate my son in a two-household-parent situation has given me a helluva lotta insight as to the way things work.
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