A good piece on why everyone was wrong, from Real Clear Politics

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shady28

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Uh.. no. I keep hearing this new narrative that the polls weren't really wrong. They were wrong, and way outside their margin of error, period.


Face it, 95% of the polling industry is nothing more than propaganda.

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agent00f

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Uh.. no. I keep hearing this new narrative that the polls weren't really wrong. They were wrong, and way outside their margin of error, period.


Face it, 95% of the polling industry is nothing more than propaganda.

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Really funny when it's always people who can't even do math who think they had it figured all along.
 

Kazukian

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Really funny when it's always people who can't even do math who think they had it figured all along.

You mean every media outlet?

Let's see your prediction of a Trump win.

Silver caught a ton of crap for saying Clinton only had a 70% chance of winning.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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You mean every media outlet?

Let's see your prediction of a Trump win.

Silver caught a ton of crap for saying Clinton only had a 70% chance of winning.

I've said numerous times it was going to be close, due to the way conservatives always show up even if it's for hitler and against jesus. As mentioned I was not cynical enough about a lot of midwestern voters; that's my mistake which is already recified as you can see.

Yeah, you should really brush up on your basic math there troll.

Math doesn't work like how it might seem in your head.
 

Kazukian

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I've said numerous times it was going to be close, due to the way conservatives always show up even if it's for hitler and against jesus. As mentioned I was not cynical enough about a lot of midwestern voters; that's my mistake which is already recified as you can see.



Math doesn't work like how it might seem in your head.

Ah I understand, I post a neutral article about how the polls were misinterpreted and suddenly it turns personal. Got it.
 

Jaskalas

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Gallop's rather comprehensive study from a bit earlier on showed his people had on average 70k+ household. The only question is whether you're capable of dropping the myth they're poor as told by that leftist media.

Gallop, a bit earlier? So before the election. Before they knew which counties moved from Blue to Red.
That's like the blind leading the deaf, all so you can call these people racist.

Here's some news that lines up with the election results.
Rural poverty continues to be tough problem for Michigan to solve
You going to sit here and lie to us that the American people aren't hurting?
Appalachia: The big white ghetto

And that's not even pointing out the national trend of inequality and the gutting of labor value.
Are you denying the pain of a desperate people? "They make 70k" my ass!
 

shady28

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I've said numerous times it was going to be close, due to the way conservatives always show up even if it's for hitler and against jesus. As mentioned I was not cynical enough about a lot of midwestern voters; that's my mistake which is already recified as you can see.



Math doesn't work like how it might seem in your head.

Lol, you mean like when your wisdom allowed you to be... completely wrong in this post, and that empowered you to ridicule someone who turned out to be completely correct?




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agent00f

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Ah I understand, I post a neutral article about how the polls were misinterpreted and suddenly it turns personal. Got it.

How is it personal? The general principle applies broadly to his supporters.

Gallop, a bit earlier? So before the election. Before they knew which counties moved from Blue to Red.
That's like the blind leading the deaf, all so you can call these people racist.

Here's some news that lines up with the election results.
Rural poverty continues to be tough problem for Michigan to solve
You going to sit here and lie to us that the American people aren't hurting?
Appalachia: The big white ghetto

That covers swing states right there. And that's not even pointing out the national trend of inequality and the gutting of labor value.
Are you denying the pain of a desperate people? "They make 70k" my ass!

The midwest is not appalachia; consider consulting a map to disabuse yourself of that notion. And 2014 isn't "news", a calendar would suffice here.
 

trenchfoot

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What people think of various things is actively studied, and racial resentment keeps popping up at top of it all. It really shouldn't be contentious given how much controversy and debate it generates among the choice of topics in this forum. I suppose you can always claim "guess we'll never know", but quite a lot is known.

I agree with most of what you say. In regards to Trump, he played the race card from an angle that allowed him plausible deniability if/when confronted with it. It allowed him to bend with the wind and not break. It allowed him maneuvering room to escape being called an outright racist when in fact a lot of folks that are openly racist saw favor in his views in that regard. Well played on his part. While he was being dismissed as a lunatic (myself included) he was actively building his base of support by leaps and bounds, and especially so from a demographic that the Dems took for granted.

And yes, I agree that a lot is known IRT my post. Allow me to possibly clarify by admitting my error in not stating that I was specifically referring to Trump, as was the article the OP posted.
 

agent00f

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Lol, you mean like when your wisdom allowed you to be... completely wrong in this post, and that empowered you to ridicule someone who turned out to be completely correct?




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Given he was entirely wrong about oversampling, no. But you seem one of those people who can't tell the difference between correct and accidentally right.
 

agent00f

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I agree with most of what you say. In regards to Trump, he played the race card from an angle that allowed him plausible deniability if/when confronted with it. It allowed him to bend with the wind and not break. It allowed him maneuvering room to escape being called an outright racist when in fact a lot of folks that are openly racist saw favor in his views in that regard. Well played on his part. While he was being dismissed as a lunatic (myself included) he was actively building his base of support by leaps and bounds, and especially so from a demographic that the Dems took for granted.

And yes, I agree that a lot is known IRT my post. Allow me to possibly clarify by admitting my error in not stating that I was specifically referring to Trump, as was the article the OP posted.

I wrote some thoughts on the matter here: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/trumps-win-wasnt-about-racism.2491659/page-4#post-38572933
 

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From here on out I am going to wait for the Presidential Halloween mask results. It is the only accurate way to tell who the prez will be. ;)
 
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Kazukian

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I highlighted it. However, your claim that people were fired for supporting Trump.

Dr Drew
Michael Tracey
David Seaman
Mike Ditka

It's a pretty long list actually... that's just a couple minutes of searching.
 

Vic

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The polls didn't underestimate Trump's numbers, they overestimated Hillary's ability to get the vote out. Everyone assumed that it was the Republicans who would stay home.. oops!
 

HamburgerBoy

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The polls didn't underestimate Trump's numbers, they overestimated Hillary's ability to get the vote out. Everyone assumed that it was the Republicans who would stay home.. oops!

Yep. The polls were pretty accurate in Hispanic Nevada and Colorado (even overestimated Trump's lead in AZ iirc), but they were totally wrong when assuming black turnout would remain the same as during Obama's elections in the Midwest.
 

flexy

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Good thing the geniuses** that the Democratic party relied on wasn't enough to steal this election.

** dead people, uneducated illegals, undereducated blacks, moslems, criminal former Miss Universe, etc, etc

Are you guys REALLY so retarded that you keep on with your "election stealing" nonsense EVEN THEN WHEN YOU WON?
Seriously, even when the evidence is right fucking before your eyes that no-one "stole" an election, at least not on our part?
Too much Infowars and Breitbart clogging your braincells...or how else can this be explained?
 

Jaskalas

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The midwest is not appalachia; consider consulting a map to disabuse yourself of that notion. And 2014 isn't "news", a calendar would suffice here.

So you are without substance, and holding no argument of merit.

Michigan is one article, Pennsylvania the other. The last two states that decided the election.
And what is wrong with demonstrating the economic conditions of rural Michigan two years ago?
At this point you are reaching so hard to discount the economic argument. You are going to extremes to finger these voters as racists.
Their condition has not magically changed in two years! That you could discount those articles reeks of trolling.
 
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Are you guys REALLY so retarded that you keep on with your "election stealing" nonsense EVEN THEN WHEN YOU WON?
Seriously, even when the evidence is right fucking before your eyes that no-one "stole" an election, at least not on our part?
Too much Infowars and Breitbart clogging your braincells...or how else can this be explained?

The job of delegitimizing democracy in the US is not finished.
 

Moonbeam

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Funny how you highly educated geniuses never saw it coming. Guess you're not as smart as your try to portray yourself. Must have been the self hate that got in the way..................or was it the liberal brain defect?
Hehe. I haven't posted much for some time now. What would be the point. I'm not educated. In fact I'm kind of the reverse. Not much of what I was taught as truth ever stuck. I actually suspect it's this inner blankness, this lack of knowing the kinds of things you know, not being stuffed full of inculcated opinion, that enables me to spot the kind of post you just made as the kind that are full of shit. I saw Trump coming the day he announced because I know all about self hate. So I don't post much, not because I'm apparently way more of a genius than you are, but because I'm a liberal who doesn't have the liberal brain defect and like conservative brain defectives they can't be reached. So again, I don't post much pre and post election right now because I would hate myself for it. I knew what would happen and my dear liberals paid no attention. All they could do was rant and rave about how stupid conservatives are as per their brain defects. What would be the point in trying to punish them for it, to smugly say I told you so? They can't help themselves anymore than you can. So watch as you try to shame and belittle them how little it will do for your soul.

Remember, you ridicule the notion of self hate because it is true of you and the rest of the human race. But remember too that while you feel it is true it is in fact a lie.
 

Kazukian

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Holy shit, just listened to a podcast by Politico, they flipping hate Trump and Trump supporters.

Look for a repeat of the poll mis-interpretations for the midterms and in 2020.

They're NEVER going to provide objective coverage.
 

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(even overestimated Trump's lead in AZ iirc)
Arizona is not yet finished counting.
Arizona had more than 300,000 votes left to be counted statewide as of Friday, according to elections officials from several counties. Final results may not occur until Thursday, Nov. 17, or Friday, Nov. 18.

About 293,000 of those votes are in Maricopa County, where elections officials counted about 72,000 votes on Friday.
Michigan;
At the end of the month, the Michigan Board of State Canvassers will certify the results after the county boards complete their work. At that point, election results will be final.
Wisconsin;
"After the election, they have workers who sit with barcode scanners and scan in the barcodes of everybody who voted," Magney said. "That process can take up to 45 days."

Democrats actually voted in the slow vote count. So, the count might show HRC winning in the end. Especially, in the Electoral College in most states that were regarded Trump victories by a thin margin. These ballots much like early voting are HEAVILY biased towards Democrats. The current 574,064 lead will largely come out to a 2 to 5 million vote lead. If I calculated the total ballots uncounted for correctly.

Lying Media strikes once again.
 
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