A Day Without Mexicans!

[compuwiz1]

7.8 million apples and pears would rot on the tree.
64 septic tanks would back up
5 million tortillas would not me made
no wastebaskets in the whitehouse would get emptied
there would be no more Maria's, Consuelos, and I can't remember all those girl names.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
A Day Without Mexicans

We can always dream right?

It would really cut down in the violence in my area. Nothing but mexican gangs, I kind of wish they'd all just have one big turf war and kill each other... or send them back to Mexico, whatever works.

 

lotta latino gangs where i live too...but that doesn't mean all mexicans are violent or in gangs (or are landscapers or illegal immigrants)

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: jntdesign
lotta latino gangs where i live too...but that doesn't mean all mexicans are violent or in gangs (or are landscapers or illegal immigrants)

I never said I didn't like mexicans, just get rid of the illegals and wannabe gangsters... hence my turfwar reference.

Oh yeah, and if we did ship them back, we'd ship them UPS, that'll teach em.

 

didn't mean to imply that you implied anything...just adding to it

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

-Earthquake in Mexico

A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the
Richter scale has hit Mexico. 150,000 Mexicans have
died and over a million are injured. The country is
totally ruined and the government doesn't know where
to start with providing help to rebuild. The rest of
the world is in shock.

**Canada is sending troopers to help the Mexican army
control the riots.

**The European community is sending food and money.

****The United States of America is sending 150,000
replacement Mexicans. More will be sent as soon as
they can be rounded up and put into buses.

</joke>

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
The point of loss of identity is that it leads to cultural shock and conflicts within ones own borders. Its bad enough you have the problem of crime, but throw in cultural tensions and it gets even worse.
Hence, I'll have no problems if the Mexicans pack up and leaveor we throw'm out. I care not, and personally think it would be healthy.

Healthy for what? Sorry bro, I'm an Azn dude that's spent plenty of time smack dab in the middle of LA. I think the diversity is what makes this country great. The mixture of ethnicities, cultures, ideas, music, etc. Oh you're right though...that dual language ATM...damned...just ruining the health of this nation. WTF are you talking about?

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: KevinH

Originally posted by: Shockwave
The point of loss of identity is that it leads to cultural shock and conflicts within ones own borders. Its bad enough you have the problem of crime, but throw in cultural tensions and it gets even worse.
Hence, I'll have no problems if the Mexicans pack up and leaveor we throw'm out. I care not, and personally think it would be healthy.

Healthy for what? Sorry bro, I'm an Azn dude that's spent plenty of time smack dab in the middle of LA. I think the diversity is what makes this country great. The mixture of ethnicities, cultures, ideas, music, etc. Oh you're right though...that dual language ATM...damned...just ruining the health of this nation. WTF are you talking about?

I am suffering from 'culture shock' because you typed in 'Azn' instead of 'Asian'!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

I was just going to ask wtf the obsession is with being "Azn" instead of Asian... :roll:

 

[fredtam]

Damn I wanted to sleep but I have to reply.

In general migration of Mexicans is different from other cultures who migrated here. Most previous cultures who immigrated had a great desire to conform. They quickly learned English and the customs of America while retaining there cultural identity at home. Things in America were not changed to suit them so they had to conform. To say that America is constantly evolving culture derived from many cultures without an any specific identity is wrong. It is a state of mind and it is somewhat fragile. As others have said most of the culture and beliefs are derived from euopean culture. It is fragile from the standpoint that any mass migration can change what has worked so well for over 200 years. This doesn't have to be a race (hispanics) it can also be something like religion that changes the core beliefs. No matter what anyone says this country was founded on christian beliefs. Having said that if a religion such a s Islam were to take hold the core values would change. Would this cause the fall of America. Who knows? It would however change the basis for the state of mind that is America.
Anyone who says we are not changing to cater to hispanics is blind. Take a look at how many jobs require you to be bilingual. Property management is a big one. If I call a company with automated service I always have an option for spanish. There is now a whole aisle dedicated to "Hispanic" food in the grocery store where there was once only the Old Elpaso taco kit in a small section they called "mexican food". I now see "Si hala Espanol" signs everywhere.
Allowing any other culture to permeate America is a step in the wrong direction but I will stick with Mexicans for right now. To most mexicans the "American Dream" is to be better off than they were in Mexico. That doesn't sound too bad does it? Well the problem is it doesn't take a whole lot to achieve this. Yes Mexicans are very hard workers and they deserve every penny they make but the fact is their culture and attitude lets them work very cheap because again all they want to do is be better off than in Mexico. This will continue to divide the gap between the rich and the poor. Fred that has nothing to do with culture you say? Well yes it does. One reason Mexicans can afford to live on such cheap wages is as a general rule they live in one house as extended families. This allows them to pool their low wages and still be better off than in Mexico. This hurts the guy that wants the "American Dream" because the influx of people willing to work for low wages lowers the wage for everybody. Why would an employer pay $12/h to someone when there is a Mexican willing to do the work for $6. So now what used to be a $12/h job is now a $6/h job. Consider it "internal outsourcing".
Now the poor guy that wanted the American dream is sitting in the unemployment line because Mexican culture has diminished the value of his job.
Ok. Now all you people are saying that the American dream guy should better educate himself so he goes to college along with millions just like him. Now the jobs that require a college education are flooded with qualified applicants. Again why would an employer pay someone $60k/y when the it is an employers market and they can get the job done for $30k/y. Again the value of the once coveted jobs has diminished.
I'm not saying that letting Mexicans in is bad but instilling the notion of the American dream in immigrants is a necessity for it to continue and allow for future growth of the nation. Otherwise you will just have North and South Mexico. Catering to their culture out of a misguided since of political correctness is not the way to do it. The first things an immagrant should learn are English and the true value of their labor.

 

[MrDingleDangle]

lol...i posted this then went out for the night and just came back...

i guess ill have to read it all tom.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: MrDingleDangle
lol...i posted this then went out for the night and just came back...

i guess ill have to read it all tom.

we spent all this time to prepare your thread for your entertainment. you better read it NOW

 

[freegeeks]

the big challenge of this century is how we are going to cope with migration flows (legal and illegal) in the developed rich countries

for a lot of poor people working for $2 an hour is a lot of money

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


bah, mexican americans would be better off if none of em drove around in cars with big ass mexican flags on them. that generates a lot of disgust. seriously, i see em like once a month its like why the f*ck are you here if you are so proud of mexico. if ur going to stay, be an american, if not, go the f*ck home.

seriously.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: illustri
total conversion to a new language takes time, and whenever there is a significant population of foriegn speakers it will SEEM like their progress to "english" takes time, but rest assured you ethnocentrics, most languages in the US die out with selective pressures --- children of immigrants have little iniative to retain their traditional languages, and this only gets worse with successive generations

after all, you poster who claim european ancestry, how many know the language of your OWN roots

I do, somewhat. Only because I chose to take the class in high school.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt
I was just going to ask wtf the obsession is with being "Azn" instead of Asian... :roll:

AZN? OMGHI2U!

 

[civad]

Why is it so bad that someone has a Mexican flag on their car? I don't think it's a big deal...I see Irish flags on cars...how come nobody ever complains about that? Hmmm...

Not to mention Greek or Italian flags in front of peoples houses...

 

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
bah, mexican americans would be better off if none of em drove around in cars with big ass mexican flags on them. that generates a lot of disgust. seriously, i see em like once a month its like why the f*ck are you here if you are so proud of mexico. if ur going to stay, be an american, if not, go the f*ck home.

seriously.

I guess you're right; I mean how can someone be an American if they <gasp>wave a Mexican flag out their car window?</gasp>

0roo0roo, when was the last time YOU said the pledge of allegiance? When was the last time you waved an American flag? I sure as hell can't remember the last time I did either of those things, but that doesn't make me ANY less an American. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that you equate an immigrant (which, somewhere down the line, we ALL are) who's proud of their heritage to being unAmerican.

And just as a side note, the bigotry in this thread shocked me. I never expected to see ignorance like this on AT.

 

[Aves]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
A Day Without Mexicans

We can always dream right?

Eat a dick. Thanks.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Thanks, I thought it was a witty paraody of those rednecks that tell people to move back to where they're "from"

Your welcome. I'd love to move back to where I'm from. Alas, no good jobs in that area.

LOL, you sound like a Mexican.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Shockwave
The point of loss of identity is that it leads to cultural shock and conflicts within ones own borders. Its bad enough you have the problem of crime, but throw in cultural tensions and it gets even worse.
Hence, I'll have no problems if the Mexicans pack up and leaveor we throw'm out. I care not, and personally think it would be healthy.

Well maybe then we should start striving for a country where other cultures are tolerated and thus eliminating the cultural tensions. Or, we could take your "throw them out" approach...

WTF? Tolerance is what the US is all about... that's not even the issue here. The issue is whether or not people should completely ignore American culture when they come to this country.

What's American culture? It's a mix of most cultures. What are you talking about?

No its not. Amercian culture is a direct, DIRECT descent of the British culture, and to a lesser extent the European culture.

Not in the SDouthwest you ignorant tool.FYI you muddle minded Racial Supremeist, the Southwest was part of Spain and Mexico for hundreds of more years than it was part of America and it never had a European Flavor

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
bah, mexican americans would be better off if none of em drove around in cars with big ass mexican flags on them. that generates a lot of disgust. seriously, i see em like once a month its like why the f*ck are you here if you are so proud of mexico. if ur going to stay, be an american, if not, go the f*ck home.

seriously.

I guess you're right; I mean how can someone be an American if they <gasp>wave a Mexican flag out their car window?</gasp>

0roo0roo, when was the last time YOU said the pledge of allegiance? When was the last time you waved an American flag? I sure as hell can't remember the last time I did either of those things, but that doesn't make me ANY less an American. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that you equate an immigrant (which, somewhere down the line, we ALL are) who's proud of their heritage to being unAmerican.

And just as a side note, the bigotry in this thread shocked me. I never expected to see ignorance like this on AT.

Why? Cause maybe SOME of us are tired of fence jumpin worthless peices of crap? Becuase maybe I'm tired of hearing about these people all but getting away with murder? Maybe becuase I'm tired of lawsuits because of them, higher insurance because of them, less safe roads because of them, higher taxes because of them?

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: FrogDog

Originally posted by: Shockwave
The point of loss of identity is that it leads to cultural shock and conflicts within ones own borders. Its bad enough you have the problem of crime, but throw in cultural tensions and it gets even worse.
Hence, I'll have no problems if the Mexicans pack up and leaveor we throw'm out. I care not, and personally think it would be healthy.

Well maybe then we should start striving for a country where other cultures are tolerated and thus eliminating the cultural tensions. Or, we could take your "throw them out" approach...

WTF? Tolerance is what the US is all about... that's not even the issue here. The issue is whether or not people should completely ignore American culture when they come to this country.

What's American culture? It's a mix of most cultures. What are you talking about?

No its not. Amercian culture is a direct, DIRECT descent of the British culture, and to a lesser extent the European culture.

Not in the SDouthwest you ignorant tool.FYI you muddle minded Racial Supremeist, the Southwest was part of Spain and Mexico for hundreds of more years than it was part of America and it never had a European Flavor

The only ignorant tool in this thread is the one resorting to slanderous attacks to attempt to express their opinion. An opinion which, I might add, is flawed to begin with.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: aves2k

Originally posted by: Shockwave
A Day Without Mexicans

We can always dream right?

Eat a dick. Thanks.

You did quite well in Speech didnt you?

Fredtam pretty well said itt he best of ANYONE in this thread.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: fredtam
Damn I wanted to sleep but I have to reply.

In general migration of Mexicans is different from other cultures who migrated here. Most previous cultures who immigrated had a great desire to conform. They quickly learned English and the customs of America while retaining there cultural identity at home. Things in America were not changed to suit them so they had to conform. To say that America is constantly evolving culture derived from many cultures without an any specific identity is wrong. It is a state of mind and it is somewhat fragile. As others have said most of the culture and beliefs are derived from euopean culture. It is fragile from the standpoint that any mass migration can change what has worked so well for over 200 years. This doesn't have to be a race (hispanics) it can also be something like religion that changes the core beliefs. No matter what anyone says this country was founded on christian beliefs. Having said that if a religion such a s Islam were to take hold the core values would change. Would this cause the fall of America. Who knows? It would however change the basis for the state of mind that is America.
Anyone who says we are not changing to cater to hispanics is blind. Take a look at how many jobs require you to be bilingual. Property management is a big one. If I call a company with automated service I always have an option for spanish. There is now a whole aisle dedicated to "Hispanic" food in the grocery store where there was once only the Old Elpaso taco kit in a small section they called "mexican food". I now see "Si hala Espanol" signs everywhere.
Allowing any other culture to permeate America is a step in the wrong direction but I will stick with Mexicans for right now. To most mexicans the "American Dream" is to be better off than they were in Mexico. That doesn't sound too bad does it? Well the problem is it doesn't take a whole lot to achieve this. Yes Mexicans are very hard workers and they deserve every penny they make but the fact is their culture and attitude lets them work very cheap because again all they want to do is be better off than in Mexico. This will continue to divide the gap between the rich and the poor. Fred that has nothing to do with culture you say? Well yes it does. One reason Mexicans can afford to live on such cheap wages is as a general rule they live in one house as extended families. This allows them to pool their low wages and still be better off than in Mexico. This hurts the guy that wants the "American Dream" because the influx of people willing to work for low wages lowers the wage for everybody. Why would an employer pay $12/h to someone when there is a Mexican willing to do the work for $6. So now what used to be a $12/h job is now a $6/h job. Consider it "internal outsourcing".
Now the poor guy that wanted the American dream is sitting in the unemployment line because Mexican culture has diminished the value of his job.
Ok. Now all you people are saying that the American dream guy should better educate himself so he goes to college along with millions just like him. Now the jobs that require a college education are flooded with qualified applicants. Again why would an employer pay someone $60k/y when the it is an employers market and they can get the job done for $30k/y. Again the value of the once coveted jobs has diminished.
I'm not saying that letting Mexicans in is bad but instilling the notion of the American dream in immigrants is a necessity for it to continue and allow for future growth of the nation. Otherwise you will just have North and South Mexico. Catering to their culture out of a misguided since of political correctness is not the way to do it. The first things an immagrant should learn are English and the true value of their labor.

That is the most well thought out reply in this entire thread. Alot of blind asses could learn something by reading it instead of plodding along in there rut of ignorance.