the problem with that is there isn't a large enough german speaking population here (hell i wonder if YOU speak it) to warrent its use
the problem with that is there isn't a large enough german speaking population here (hell i wonder if YOU speak it) to warrent its use
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tolerance isn't enough. one must have a certain level of assimilation. language is what binds people together. miscommunication becomes so mcuh worse if people cannot even speak to each other easily. people that share culture are more likely to sacrifice for one another. a country is an extreme extention of family. plain tolerance easily degrades into conflict, end up like the balkan conflict.
And what about the Confederate flag not being a State flag anymore? Does that uphold to the Freedon of Expression belief?
Its IS of hisoric signifigance. It IS a peice of our history. OUR history, not some illegal alien. And yet it can no longer be a state flag.......
Well I doubt that another country's flag will be incorporated right onto another state's flag. Same goes for the confederate flag. You have the same freedom of expression where you can fly it around if you want to.
total conversion to a new language takes time, and whenever there is a significant population of foriegn speakers it will SEEM like their progress to "english" takes time, but rest assured you ethnocentrics, most languages in the US die out with selective pressures --- children of immigrants have little iniative to retain their traditional languages, and this only gets worse with successive generations
after all, you poster who claim european ancestry, how many know the language of your OWN roots
after all, you poster who claim european ancestry, how many know the language of your OWN roots
The point is "Freedom of Expression" in todays environment more or less means
"Freedom of Expression for immigrants and minorities"
Examples....
BET. Try have WET.
N1gger. Its prevalent in black society. Music, comedy, movies, books. But have a white comedian say a joke and use the word n1gger. He'll be all but hung.
"Equal Opportunity". In other words, hire minorities of lesser skills over whites of greater skills
The list goes on. Thats adoption. We try to make others feel so welcome we actually hinder our own (Own being loosely defined as white culture) culture to a fault. Its ok to be proud of where your from. Its ok if we have no problem with that. Its a HUGE problem if we try to tolerate it so much we hinder ourselves in the process.
Then go up the the next black person you see and say "Whats up n1gga!" and hold out your hand for a high five and see what happens. I think you'll see some people have a FAR different view of whether its offensive.
We're typin in it. Granted, I cant do the accents the Irish use, and I dont have the proper usage as the British do.
If someone said that to me, I wouldn't take offense because I'm not black...However, I can see how a black person would take offense. And I'm sure there are plenty of black people who take offense even if the words were coming from another black person.
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I don't know the languge of my roots. My grandparents immigrated here from Italy when they were just children. They did not teach their children (who were born here) Italian because they were AMERICAN. They even gave them American sounding names such as Barbara Jane and Nancy Lea. Heck, my grandfather served in the US Army and even helped liberate Italy during WWII! 
Yep. Thus, cultural conflict. Its never acceptable for a white to use the word, but in the black culture (American black) its become commonplace and accepted. A bad example, but nonetheless an example of cultural conflicts.
whoa wait a friggin minute,
didn't you say you were mostly german? and and previously asked whether Sprechensie deutsch?
I am mostly German. And a mix of other cultures. *I'M* a cultural mixing pot.
But I'm also American. I dont fly the German flag, I dont speak German, I dont drink like the Irish and I dont speak like the British. (My great gandmother was 100% German as an FYI, so I'm mainly German)
I'm American. I know my roots, I'm proud of them but *I* am American.
Originally posted by: BadDaddy
I don't know the languge of my roots. My grandparents immigrated here from Italy when they were just children. They did not teach their children (who were born here) Italian because they were AMERICAN. They even gave them American sounding names such as Barbara Jane and Nancy Lea. Heck, my grandfather served in the US Army and even helped liberate Italy during WWII!
well, if this was in response to my post
thats great, this is exactly the point I'm making (although I might venture to say it was school and surroundings that taught your parents english, not your grandparents)
the EXACT same will happen with the children of recent hispanic immigration
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Correct.
But one thing, my grandparents spoke English fluently. Their parents knew the value of learing the language before coming here.
you know what, thats wonderful
but you're objecting to mexicans showing their national pride here, let me ask -- when your 100% grandfather emmigrated here as an adult (and just for the sake of arguement lets say he did) you would have prevent HIM from showcasing pride of his german heritage?
im adding also that you really don't have to worry about mexican national pride so much -- the displays you complain about are more from first or second generations who are still in transition from their native cultures -- there wasnt world wars, mass paranoia and racism which existed during much of the most recent european influx that FORCED rapid disintegration of their old world identities
I for one believe thats a good thing
Originally posted by: BadDaddy
Correct.
But one thing, my grandparents spoke English fluently. Their parents knew the value of learing the language before coming here.
your parents were fortunate to be born to educated family of relative means
as am I
however most of our subject matter did not have that luxury, and as such require more time before further integrating
I would disgaree on the transition. There IS no transistion. Goes back to the adoption. WE are changing our culture so THEY dont have to change to ours.
I really don't see how WE are changing our culture, becuase the atm offers a second language alternative? Most forms of media in this country remains predominantly american -- pop music, print, tv, cinema
I fail to see how that means you don't have the freedom of expression to wave the idiotic Confederate flag around. It might have a negative stigma attached to it for very valid reasons, but that doesn't mean you don't have the right to do it.
Go ahead and have WET. I mean it's not like everyone wouldn't watch it or it wouldn't be that different than what's on the major networks. It would be like having something called 'Straight TV' and it would be exactly like NBC or ABC or whatever and even gay people would watch it.
So you're crying b/c you can't use a racial slur?
How come Asians never whine so much about this? And you need to edit it to males only.
I'm not sure why you're saying anything you stated is adoption considering that blacks have been in this country probably longer than your German ancestors.
How is being proud of where you're from hindering our progres?
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