8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

This thread was started in mid 2021 and is being retired/locked. As the OP is no longer active, or updating and maintaining it.

Mod DAPUNISHER

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Iron Woode]

Why don't you guys just use correct settings on psolord's posts?

The "correct" settings would be ignore, but that would deprive us of all the entertainment.

 

[fralexandr]

This is Forza Horizon 5 running on my 3060ti and a freagin.....sandy bridge 4/4 2500K. That's on PCIe 2.0 8b/10b for anyone taking notes. Also the recording is done on the same system (extra burden).

Spoiler: psolord's 3060ti forza horizon 5 run

It is running on the Extreme preset. It runs with dynamic resolution but outputs at 4K, which means with DLSS it would look even better. It is very very playable, not ugly and changes like 5 locations in this run. Also judging by the HDD3 measurements, I was using a hard drive for this run.

So.....HOW IS THIS BAD?

what people are saying is this is fine if the pricing made sense, but nvidia clearly had a vram problem if the 3060 12gb has more vram than the 3060 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, and 3080 10gb. You know there's an issue with vram because otherwise the 3060 would have been a 6GB card. Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

 

[jpiniero]

Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

Because the options were 6 and 12 at the time... and nVidia thought 6 wasn't enough.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

what people are saying is this is fine if the pricing made sense, but nvidia clearly had a vram problem if the 3060 12gb has more vram than the 3060 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, and 3080 10gb. You know there's an issue with vram because otherwise the 3060 would have been a 6GB card. Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

Most of us know the answer is planned obsolescence. The fact the 3060 12GB is still a top seller over 4 years later, while all of the others are irrelevant is impossible to ignore.

Also, don't forget they released a 128bit 8GB version of the 3060.

 

[Ranulf]

Most of us know the answer is planned obsolescence. The fact the 3060 12GB is still a top seller over 4 years later, while all of the others are irrelevant is impossible to ignore.

Also, don't forget they released a 128bit 8GB version of the 3060.

Dang, I'd forgotten that.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1777 MHz, 3584 Cores, 112 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1875 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Even 6GB version, or was that for laptops?

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 3840SP Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1852 MHz, 3840 Cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

Extra VRAM helping the 5060 Ti more than the 4060 Ti in raytracing.



But look at how much 9060 XT 8GB suffers compared to the 16GB in plain raster!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If you are going to settle for a sub $300 8GB card, the 9060XT is an easy choice. https://www.techspot.com/review/3035-geforce-vs-radeon-mainstream-generations/

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ARC has too many caveats for anyone on anything but the newest hardware. 5060 falls apart on gen 4 x8 and below when it runs out of VRAM. Budget shoppers will get the best results from a $270 Reaper. I expect there will be sub $250 deals on some models soon. Better to save and get the 16GB model, but some budgets are too tight for an extra $100.

 

[marees]

If you are going to settle for a sub $300 8GB card, the 9060XT is an easy choice. https://www.techspot.com/review/3035-geforce-vs-radeon-mainstream-generations/

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ARC has too many caveats for anyone on anything but the newest hardware. 5060 falls apart on gen 4 x8 and below when it runs out of VRAM. Budget shoppers will get the best results from a $270 Reaper. I expect there will be sub $250 deals on some models soon. Better to save and get the 16GB model, but some budgets are too tight for an extra $100.

I'd wait for the 16gb 7700

 

[psolord]

Extra VRAM helping the 5060 Ti more than the 4060 Ti in raytracing.

This is academic once again. None of these cards is healthily playable at these settings. The 5060ti which is the strongest, is borderline above 60fps with drops below 50fps. No one in their right mind would use these cards at these settings, not even at 1080p.

Once you drop them to manageable settings, vram will become irrelevant for the most part. And that's what I've been saying....for.....ever.

But look at how much 9060 XT 8GB suffers compared to the 16GB in plain raster!

How much does it suffer? And why isn't the 5060ti suffering that much? And why is the 3060ti still quite faster than the 3060? And why the 5060 destroys both of them and the B Arcs? Hmm?

 

[psolord]

what people are saying is this is fine if the pricing made sense, but nvidia clearly had a vram problem if the 3060 12gb has more vram than the 3060 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, and 3080 10gb. You know there's an issue with vram because otherwise the 3060 would have been a 6GB card. Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

I have said many times that the 3070 and 3070ti were kind of ridiculous with 8GB VRAM but this is how the chip was cut. Next option would be 16GBs which would also be ridiculous. In any case, seeing the results of today, the difference would be minimal and these kind of owners, have already moved on. DLSS is far more important on these cards than all the vram in the world.

I am posting here as a 3060ti owner. I never said 8GBs were enough for every card under the sun. However I have said and I will insist, that 8GB are enough to fit very good graphics. I will keep showing you differences between the 3060ti and rx 9070 and you will see that the image quality is very good for the 3060ti. I don't care if you have to use high textures instead of gtfo textures.

Still, as you can see above, the 12GBs of the 3060 are not helping it.

The same is portrayed in HWU's latest video.

Spoiler: 9060XT vs B580 10 game average

If video ram was THAT important, the 9060XT wouldn't be 34% faster than the B580, while the latter enjoys 50% more vram. People in this thread can argue all they want. Things are going bad regarding gpu power, not video ram and I have been saying that since I started posting here, with my "wtf are these guys talking about" attitude!

 

[igor_kavinski]

And why the 5060 destroys both of them and the B Arcs? Hmm?

At that price, shouldn't that be expected already?

Care to explain the following?





And if you want to know my true feelings (and of many others here), I would very much like to print these charts on a pillow and smack you hard on the head and across your face so maybe you finally get some sense knocked into you?

 

[psolord]

At that price, shouldn't that be expected already?

You are buying into a whole different ecosystem with Nvidia. Not the same thing. Also this a technical thread. Prices are a different matter. Not entirely unattached but different.

Care to explain the following?

What are we seeing here? Arc likes Cyberpunk very much. This has been known for a long time.

Other than that, still slower than the 9060XT 8GB and the 5060ti 8GB.

And if you want to know my true feelings (and of many others here), I would very much like to print these charts on a pillow and smack you hard on the head and across your face so maybe you finally get some sense knocked into you?

That's not very nice. Give me irrefutable facts, with usable benchmarks, within the playable realm and show me how 8GB cards are bad, and the sense will be automatically be smacked into me. While you are at it, also show me what kind of image quality the 8GB framebuffer can really fit with correct settings.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Give me irrefutable facts, with usable benchmarks, within the playable realm and show me how 8GB cards are bad, and the sense will be automatically be smacked into me.

Your pathetic 3060 Ti placed second last.

 

[Mopetar]

Perhaps someone's optometrist needs to use correct settings on their vision testing machine so that they can finally get a pair of lenses that will let them see the obvious.

It's a little unsettling to see a human being caught in an infinite loop. It really makes me question if we exist in some kind of simulation. Maybe the AI agents would run better if they had more memory available, but no doubt someone said that 8 GB would be good enough.

 

[poke01]

Perhaps someone's optometrist needs to use correct settings on their vision testing machine so that they can finally get a pair of lenses that will let them see the obvious.

he needed them in page 1 lol,

 

[fastandfurious6]

Impressive how Intel competes in midrange out of nowhere


Did they poach nv/amd engineers?

 

[marees]

Impressive how Intel competes in midrange out of nowhere


Did they poach nv/amd engineers?

Must have when Raja Koduri moved over to Intel

For example he got the techreport editor to move with him

 

[igor_kavinski]

techreport editor

I had forgotten all about him. He's at MLCommons now: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scot...18917996546-NjbT?trk=public_profile_like_view

 

[Iron Woode]

I am posting here as a 3060ti owner. I never said 8GBs were enough for every card under the sun. However I have said and I will insist, that 8GB are enough to fit very good graphics. I will keep showing you differences between the 3060ti and rx 9070 and you will see that the image quality is very good for the 3060ti. I don't care if you have to use high textures instead of gtfo textures.

Still, as you can see above, the 12GBs of the 3060 are not helping it.

Again, do I have to explain the obvious to you for the umpteenth time?

a 3060 Ti is not a 3060 with less ram. They are very different cards, so please stop this stupid comparison.

 

[maddogmcgee]

I actually think 8gb is pretty excessive. Crysis 3 runs on 4gb fine and looks great. 8gb is just allowing lazy dev's to bloat their game install size. If developers chose the right settings, the 6090 woud be fine with 4GB.

 

[igor_kavinski]

They just started bloating texture sizes without much visual improvement. Basically, taxing the cards because otherwise the fps would exceed 300+ which they don't want apparently. They like sweaty cards.

 

[igor_kavinski]

If developers chose the right settings, the 6090 woud be fine with 4GB.

Now that's an idea!

 

[coercitiv]

They just started bloating texture sizes without much visual improvement. Basically, taxing the cards because otherwise the fps would exceed 300+ which they don't want apparently. They like sweaty cards.

Igor's guide to 300 FPS: set Textures to Low.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Igor's guide to 300 FPS: set Textures to Low.

Nah, rather not provide official high texture packs so people with 6 GB VRAM can enjoy gaming again!

Hopefully once developers get the hang of AI properly, game sizes will start going down again because the GPU will just generate them on the fly from developer prompts.

 

[jpiniero]

BF6 benchmarks... The 5060 Ti 16 GB is decently faster than the 8 GB at 1080p High. But not terrible.

On Overkill's setting... yeah it does drop down into the 30s. The 9060 XT 8 GB does better, probably because of the full lanes. Overkill doesn't look that much better than High tho.