8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Iron Woode]

Why don't you guys just use correct settings on psolord's posts?

The "correct" settings would be ignore, but that would deprive us of all the entertainment.

 

[fralexandr]

This is Forza Horizon 5 running on my 3060ti and a freagin.....sandy bridge 4/4 2500K. That's on PCIe 2.0 8b/10b for anyone taking notes. Also the recording is done on the same system (extra burden).

Spoiler: psolord's 3060ti forza horizon 5 run

It is running on the Extreme preset. It runs with dynamic resolution but outputs at 4K, which means with DLSS it would look even better. It is very very playable, not ugly and changes like 5 locations in this run. Also judging by the HDD3 measurements, I was using a hard drive for this run.

So.....HOW IS THIS BAD?

what people are saying is this is fine if the pricing made sense, but nvidia clearly had a vram problem if the 3060 12gb has more vram than the 3060 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, and 3080 10gb. You know there's an issue with vram because otherwise the 3060 would have been a 6GB card. Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

 

[jpiniero]

Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

Because the options were 6 and 12 at the time... and nVidia thought 6 wasn't enough.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

what people are saying is this is fine if the pricing made sense, but nvidia clearly had a vram problem if the 3060 12gb has more vram than the 3060 ti, 3070, 3070 ti, and 3080 10gb. You know there's an issue with vram because otherwise the 3060 would have been a 6GB card. Why does a $700 MSRP card have less vram than a $320 MSRP card?

Most of us know the answer is planned obsolescence. The fact the 3060 12GB is still a top seller over 4 years later, while all of the others are irrelevant is impossible to ignore.

Also, don't forget they released a 128bit 8GB version of the 3060.

 

[Ranulf]

Most of us know the answer is planned obsolescence. The fact the 3060 12GB is still a top seller over 4 years later, while all of the others are irrelevant is impossible to ignore.

Also, don't forget they released a 128bit 8GB version of the 3060.

Dang, I'd forgotten that.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8 GB Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1777 MHz, 3584 Cores, 112 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1875 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Even 6GB version, or was that for laptops?

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 3840SP Specs

NVIDIA GA106, 1852 MHz, 3840 Cores, 120 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 6144 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

Extra VRAM helping the 5060 Ti more than the 4060 Ti in raytracing.



But look at how much 9060 XT 8GB suffers compared to the 16GB in plain raster!