8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

This thread was started in mid 2021 and is being retired/locked. As the OP is no longer active, or updating and maintaining it.

Mod DAPUNISHER

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Hell, might be the first game where turning off upscaling isn't even an option.

Female computer voice: "Warning. Turning off upscaling will result in suboptimal gaming experience."

Would be fun if they replaced that with:

Spoiler: may offend your sensibilities

"Yo black ass better not click that button or yo black ass getting exactly what you deserve!"

 

[SolidQ]

so unless the pub/dev think Alan Wake 2 is going to get hordes of people to update their computers like Crysis did,

For Crysis we're buying 8800, and we know, for what we buying it, for AW2 i don't see drastically difference with other games

P.S Looking at Steam top 10 gpu, i don't expect good sales

 

[igor_kavinski]

Buy today, enjoy 5 years later!

PC gamer's last will and testament: "Kids play this game few years later at max settings. I'll be waiting to watch it before I ascend to the Heavens".

 

[SolidQ]

Buy today, enjoy 5 years later!

At least there a lot another games, we can buy AW2 later for supersale

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Female computer voice: "Warning. Turning off upscaling will result in suboptimal gaming experience."

Would be fun if they replaced that with:

Spoiler: may offend your sensibilities

"Yo black ass better not click that button or yo black ass getting exactly what you deserve!"

 

[igor_kavinski]

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That's not HAL 9000. That's HEL 9000!

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

At least there a lot another games, we can buy AW2 later for supersale

You mean with a free GPU which is capable of playing it at 1080p native?

 

[SolidQ]

You mean with a free GPU which is capable of playing it at 1080p native?

I'm not buying anymore games from start, except some indie/AA. From start this year, i'm only buyed BG3/RE4/Afterimage, rest games i can play later. I need finish Yakuza 3-6, Judgment, Legend of Heroes, like Classic RE games(Echoes of the Living, The Hotel etc) and many others.

P.S not playing Control yet

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I'm not buying anymore games from start, except some indie/AA. From start this year, i'm only buyed BG3/RE4/Afterimage, rest games i can play later. I need finish Yakuza 3-6, Judgment, Legend of Heroes, like Classic RE games(Echoes of the Living, The Hotel etc) and many others.

P.S not playing Control yet

I think I don't need to buy any new game until my retirement.
I bought a bit too much in the last few years on Steam and don't really have time playing them.

 

[SolidQ]

I bought a bit too much in the last few years on Steam

Only buying on winter sales for one year. like 30-40 games. New games like 2-3 per year

 

[Ranulf]

For Crysis we're buying 8800, and we know, for what we buying it, for AW2 i don't see drastically difference with other games

P.S Looking at Steam top 10 gpu, i don't expect good sales

Oh its worse than that. It is an Epic exclusive on PC. So going by Control's history it will be available on Steam/GoG/etc. within 6-18 months for $20-30. I doubt Epic will give it away for free like they did Control though. I still regret paying $20 for Control on GoG at a holiday sale. I could have gotten it for free or dirt cheap via humble bundle. I have that game on three PC platforms now.

 

[SolidQ]

$20 for Control on GoG at a holiday sale

I got Ultimate Edition on GoG for 0.54$

 

[igor_kavinski]

Borked RTX 4090 Arrives With Nearly 100 Ripped Pads, Oxidation Flaw

A $1,699 paperweight

www.tomshardware.com

Nvidia Wouldn't Exist if CEO Could Turn the Clock Back 30 Years

The pain, suffering, and embarrassment have been too much.

www.tomshardware.com

I think these are relevant to this thread because the first one shows that getting even an expensive nGreedia card doesn't guarantee peace of mind and the 2nd one shows what a seriously demented douche Jensen is, talking about pain and embarrassment in his journey towards becoming a billionaire. Yeah right. He doesn't know half of pain and embarrassment and humiliation until angry gamers have had their fun with him chained up in an underground dungeon.

 

[jpiniero]

It seems that AW2 requires Mesh Shaders which means no RDNA1 (or Pascal). I don't know it works on PS5 but I guess we will find out.

 

[Ranulf]

This guy goes thru a ton of cards and cpus for CS2. Google doc of benchmarks in the video description. TLDR, the game is a mess. Vsync off apparently helps for most cards. Anything under 8GB is just going to be sub 10fps at worst 1% lows. The youtuber says 10GB minimum vram.

 

[iLLusiveMan]

It seems that AW2 requires Mesh Shaders which means no RDNA1 (or Pascal). I don't know it works on PS5 but I guess we will find out.

Well the game is gonna launch on the PS5 so all those rumors that the PS5 APU was not a full rdna2 chip are basically debunked.

 

[psolord]

Well the game is gonna launch on the PS5 so all those rumors that the PS5 APU was not a full rdna2 chip are basically debunked.

...or they are just turning off mesh shaders or use another coding shader path. They did turn off VRS for example, in Dead Space.

 

[psolord]

It seems that AW2 requires Mesh Shaders which means no RDNA1 (or Pascal). I don't know it works on PS5 but I guess we will find out.

Cards with no mesh shaders are not "officially supported". They didn't say they will outright not work at all. I have a 2500K on one of my systems, that is not officially supported for more than five years now, in most games and yet, it runs games just fine.

Uncharted 4 was not even running at launch, on non AVX2 cpus and the community snapped at the devs. A few patches later, it runs like a champ, at Ultra preset mind you. Here's a non monetized video I uploaded a couple days ago.

 

[BFG10K]

Possible incoming 4000 series refresh, bois:

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER rumored to feature 20GB memory - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4080 with 20 GB An update to RTX 40 SUPER rumors. A third source has entered the conversation surrounding the upcoming GeForce RTX 40 SUPER series. In addition to the news from two well-regarded hardware leakers, Benchlife asserts that they have acquired fresh information from their...

videocardz.com

With the collection of rumors, Super variants might be 4060 (12GB), 4070 (16GB) and 4080 (20GB).

 

[NTMBK]

Realistically, considering that this card is going to be a <75W TBP card, like the GTX 1650 before it, and this card is going to have 6GB of VRAM, and the GTX 1650 only had 4GB of VRAM and no RT, I would actually say that this IS progress, even if you don't shop GPUs at the low end such as these.

The 1050ti had 4GB of VRAM seven years ago. This is just pathetic.

 

[igor_kavinski]

With the collection of rumors, Super variants might be 4060 (12GB), 4070 (16GB) and 4080 (20GB).

I'll believe it when I see it. The important question is, will the new parts signal the end of the 8GB SKUs production or is nGreedia expecting people to pay $100 to $150 for the extra VRAM?

 

[Spjut]

It sucks for the people affected if the game is unplayable on RDNA1 due to no proper fallback when lacking Mesh Shaders, but I was always hesitant regarding its long-term performance due to lack of full DX12U support.

I don't expect studios to spend resources on adding fallbacks if perhaps only two older cards can run the game anyway, that's always a risk for the former high-end GPUs without the latest features. Reminds me specifically of when Crysis 3 got console ports but wouldn't run on the GTX 295 due to requiring feature level 11.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Maybe Valve is providing the studios with the percentage figures of installed base of GPUs and that might help them decide which GPUs should be supported to get the maximum number of players as customers.

 

[iLLusiveMan]

...or they are just turning off mesh shaders or use another coding shader path. They did turn off VRS for example, in Dead Space.

I was wrong, somebody corrected me on another forum. PS5 has primitive shaders. And primitive shaders can be used to do the same thing that mesh shaders do. I suppose Remedy was able to use primitive shaders on the PS5 to achieve the same goal. Remains to be seen if RDNA1 simply doesn't work or it's simply not supported by the developers...as in if there are bugs they will not fix them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 1050ti had 4GB of VRAM seven years ago. This is just pathetic.

On a brighter note: it seems like the cutdown 3050 is a response to the A380. A new competitor at the low end is starting to have an effect. The ASRock slot powered LP A380 sold out at $100 a couple of weeks ago.