8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

This thread was started in mid 2021 and is being retired/locked. As the OP is no longer active, or updating and maintaining it.

Mod DAPUNISHER

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[MrTeal]

How would the 16GB 4060 Ti work? Are 4GB modules available in quantity now or would they have clamshell boards already designed and ready to go?

 

[jpiniero]

How would the 16GB 4060 Ti work? Are 4GB modules available in quantity now or would they have clamshell boards already designed and ready to go?

They probably did the clamshell board work for an as-of-yet released Quadro.

 

[Aapje]

How would the 16GB 4060 Ti work? Are 4GB modules available in quantity now or would they have clamshell boards already designed and ready to go?

As far as I know, no 4 GB modules exist. So it must be clamshell.

 

[BFG10K]

The 8GB new-bois-on-the-block are coming May 24th & 25th.

NVIDIA to Launch RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th and AMD Radeon RX 7600 Comes on May 25th

A more detailed launch schedule for both the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 lineup and AMD Radeon RX 7600 has now surfaced online, suggesting that NVIDIA could launch the first RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th, a day before the AMD Radeon RX 7600, making it a rather busy week for reviewers. Videocardz...

www.techpowerup.com

RX7600 in-store.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 8GB graphics card spotted in Asian store - VideoCardz.com

Imminent launch of Radeon RX 7600 confirmed by retailer We received an anonymous tip with Radeon RX 7600 already on shelves. According to the photograph and the information that was provided, an undisclosed store in Asia has AMD Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards in stock. This does not mean that...

videocardz.com

They're saying $249 for that one, which if true, is a reasonable price for 8GB in this current climate. Assuming it also performs decently.

 

[Thunder 57]

The 8GB new-bois-on-the-block are coming May 24th & 25th.

NVIDIA to Launch RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th and AMD Radeon RX 7600 Comes on May 25th

A more detailed launch schedule for both the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 lineup and AMD Radeon RX 7600 has now surfaced online, suggesting that NVIDIA could launch the first RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th, a day before the AMD Radeon RX 7600, making it a rather busy week for reviewers. Videocardz...

www.techpowerup.com

RX7600 in-store.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 8GB graphics card spotted in Asian store - VideoCardz.com

Imminent launch of Radeon RX 7600 confirmed by retailer We received an anonymous tip with Radeon RX 7600 already on shelves. According to the photograph and the information that was provided, an undisclosed store in Asia has AMD Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards in stock. This does not mean that...

videocardz.com

They're saying $249 for that one, which if true, is a reasonable price for 8GB in this current climate. Assuming it also performs decently.

I'm guessing it turns out to be $299. The 8GB RX 480 was $240 7 years ago. I imagine they will price it higher.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Is there a point to these cards?

Sure, the NV ones have "NV Premium" features, but AMD? Polaris even has FSR, no? (2.x too?)

What's the point of buying a 7600XT, over say, a $65 RX 580 re-mfg. if the REAL bottleneck is strictly the amount of VRAM anyways, and RT still won't be a thing with AMD RDNA3 even.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I'm guessing it turns out to be $299. The 8GB RX 480 was $240 7 years ago. I imagine they will price it higher.

It will sit on shelves at that price. 6700 has 2GB on it, and will lose in what? performance per watt and ray tracing? AV1 encoding won't move the meter for most shoppers.

 

[blckgrffn]

Is there a point to these cards?

Sure, the NV ones have "NV Premium" features, but AMD? Polaris even has FSR, no? (2.x too?)

What's the point of buying a 7600XT, over say, a $65 RX 580 re-mfg.

People like new cards. So do the Microcenter and the IBUYPowers of the world. These should be faster and fully DX12 Ultimate compliant which also has a little value.


Personally, I think the real deal hunters find $100 6600s to buy but what do I know?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Is there a point to these cards?

Sure, the NV ones have "NV Premium" features, but AMD? Polaris even has FSR, no? (2.x too?)

What's the point of buying a 7600XT, over say, a $65 RX 580 re-mfg. if the REAL bottleneck is strictly the amount of VRAM anyways.

AV1 encode and decode. Ray tracing. Considerably longer official driver support. much better performance per watt. Which also means less heat. Superior DP and HDMI. Noise suppression. Not certain what else. Polaris is sucking more than it should in Dead Island 2. That's a big red flag for me. It says it's getting ready to fall off the cliff.

$65 is a fair price, but it is for a very good reason. Polaris is super old in tech world dog years.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I dunno. The first ITX sized card with 8GB GDDR5 or GDDR6, that works in a 75-watt (slot-powered) TBP envelope, has some of my money.

Until then, GPU makers are just re-inventing the (8GB VRAM, 2048 shaders) Wheel.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I must agree that RTX 4060Ti 16GB looks pretty interesting.
I think we can agree, that It will be based on AD106 and hopefully It's the full 4608 Cuda cores version.

For comparison:


This is the mobile RTX 4070(cutdown full AD106) with 140W TDP, but clockspeed is limited to 2180 MHz, which is achievable at 100W TDP.
TimeSpy Graphic score of 11683 is comparable to RTX 3080 Laptop, which is the uncut GA104 at 165W.

Desktop version should clock easily at 2615MHz(+20%). OC-ing to 2.9GHz would mean 33% higher frequency.
I think desktop AD106 should end up with similar performance to 3070Ti or a bit higher.

Ad106 is a very small chip(<200mm2), so $449 shouldn't be impossible for this 16GB version, but I am more inclined It will cost $499, and It will provide 85% of 4070's performance.

edit: I just noticed I made a mistake. RTX 4070 is the full AD106 chip.

 

[Mopetar]

A 4060Ti 16GB at $500 or less would 100% force AMD to make the 7700XT a 16GB card which means a 12GB N32 will either be the vanilla 7700 or the 7600XT.

There is no way around it.

Someone should force AMD to release a card period.

 

[Aapje]

I think desktop AD106 should end up with similar performance to 3070Ti or a bit higher.

I think that this is a fairly obvious target anyway, when the 4070 performs near identical to the 3080. I actually expect them to tweak the clock speeds so it doesn't go faster than the 3070 Ti.

 

[Thunder 57]

It will sit on shelves at that price. 6700 has 2GB on it, and will lose in what? performance per watt and ray tracing? AV1 encoding won't move the meter for most shoppers.

That's assuming the 6700 stays in stock.

 

[MrTeal]

Yeah I have no problem with used gear but the large majority of consumers aren't going to be buying used GPUs from China regardless of price. I'd pay more for a local name brand used card I can have in hand before money is handed over than I would for random "remanufactured" 580's from China that failed out of large scale mining farms.

 

[Thunder 57]

Yeah I have no problem with used gear but the large majority of consumers aren't going to be buying used GPUs from China regardless of price. I'd pay more for a local name brand used card I can have in hand before money is handed over than I would for random "remanufactured" 580's from China that failed out of large scale mining farms.

I used to buy used stuff every now and then but not for awhile. There just don't seem to be as many deals out there.

 

[VirtualLarry]

There just don't seem to be as many deals out there.

Ahem.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I think that this is a fairly obvious target anyway, when the 4070 performs near identical to the 3080. I actually expect them to tweak the clock speeds so it doesn't go faster than the 3070 Ti.

That's not a bad performance from a GPU with only 128-bit Vram If you ask me.
It's kinda funny how in laptops RTX 4070 is the worst option, yet in desktop with 16GB Vram option and acceptable price could be one of the best choices this generation.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's assuming the 6700 stays in stock.

Practically speaking, they will probably both be dust collectors. 12GB models of the 3060 and 6700XT have been dropping to near the $300 mark recently.

The speculation is that the 4060ti can have 16GB because it won't cannibalize sales of more expensive cards with that much vram, used for workflows. That makes sense I suppose.

 

[Hitman928]

First card to hit $199 will probably get my money for an upgrade to the kids’ computer. They have a 1060 with 6 GB VRAM right now but they are young enough that nothing they play is very demanding so I’m not too worried about the 8 GB just yet.

 

[Mopetar]

I'd just hang on to the 1060 for another generation. Wait until you can get at least 12 GB for an upgrade. If AMD put v-cache infinity cache on any of their future APUs that would probably be a significant upgrade over a 1060 for less money overall.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The 8GB new-bois-on-the-block are coming May 24th & 25th.

NVIDIA to Launch RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th and AMD Radeon RX 7600 Comes on May 25th

A more detailed launch schedule for both the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 lineup and AMD Radeon RX 7600 has now surfaced online, suggesting that NVIDIA could launch the first RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB on May 24th, a day before the AMD Radeon RX 7600, making it a rather busy week for reviewers. Videocardz...

www.techpowerup.com

RX7600 in-store.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 8GB graphics card spotted in Asian store - VideoCardz.com

Imminent launch of Radeon RX 7600 confirmed by retailer We received an anonymous tip with Radeon RX 7600 already on shelves. According to the photograph and the information that was provided, an undisclosed store in Asia has AMD Radeon RX 7600 graphics cards in stock. This does not mean that...

videocardz.com

They're saying $249 for that one, which if true, is a reasonable price for 8GB in this current climate. Assuming it also performs decently.

$249 wouldn't be terrible for 6650 XT performance with ~15W lower power consumption. Not great but a lot better than the rumored $330 which would have been horrible. God if Nvidia thinks they're getting $400 for an 8GB card in 2023 though. At $330 a 4060 Ti with 3070 Ti performance would be a hot seller, maybe even $350 would be defensible.

 

[Thunder 57]

$249 wouldn't be terrible for 6650 XT performance with ~15W lower power consumption. Not great but a lot better than the rumored $330 which would have been horrible. God if Nvidia thinks they're getting $400 for an 8GB card in 2023 though. At $330 a 4060 Ti with 3070 Ti performance would be a hot seller, maybe even $350 would be defensible.

How can they have a $330 4060 Ti when the next model up the stack would cost almost double at $600? That is way to large of a gap, so I expect $400.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Practically speaking, they will probably both be dust collectors. 12GB models of the 3060 and 6700XT have been dropping to near the $300 mark recently.

The speculation is that the 4060ti can have 16GB because it won't cannibalize sales of more expensive cards with that much vram, used for workflows. That makes sense I suppose.

Makes sense on the 4060 Ti. Haven't really seen 6700 XT dropping so much in price lately though. Four months ago was the best time to buy one when they'd be $310 all the time, sometimes even 6750 XT. Wondering if stocks are starting to get low on the 6700 XT and 6750 XT since the deals now seem to come around every week or so for $350.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

How can they have a $330 4060 Ti when the next model up the stack would cost almost double at $600? That is way to large of a gap, so I expect $400.

Not like the 4070 is selling well. Besides, I was talking about defensible prices that would excite people into buying, not prices to keep the 4060 Ti in line with the rest of the price gouged lineup.