8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I mean, if you forget RTX exists... and you use low / medium settings, then I am sure a person can appreciate their brand new $400 GPU.

Ugh hasn't been so long back that $400 would get you previous gen flagship performance.

 

[Ranulf]

What, you guys don't want to buy a $400 gpu to upscale 720p to 1080p with medium settings? Don't forget the generated frames of goodness!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What, you guys don't want to buy a $400 gpu to upscale 720p to 1080p with medium settings? Don't forget the generated frames of goodness!

I know when I heard about this a while ago I was like WTF? Buy high resolution monitor so I can then need an expensive card to upscale an image.

 

[aigomorla]

What, you guys don't want to buy a $400 gpu to upscale 720p to 1080p with medium settings? Don't forget the generated frames of goodness!

rather buy a $700 dollar card with 8gb of ram.. oh wait... i have a 3070ti...
*goes off kicking the can*

 

[BFG10K]

Here we are bois, I called it a few pages back, DLSS "4.0" for super-duper texture upscaling:

Nvidia details Neural Texture Compression, claims significant improvements over traditional methods

One of the hottest topics at the moment is centered around modern AAA games and their system requirements. Both the minimum and recommended specs have increased, and...

www.techspot.com

Now you too can upscale textures on top of upscaled frames on top of upscaled pixels, all for the low, low, price of $400.

Coming up next: DLSS 5.0 NPC upscaling. Only one real enemy is rendered with correct behaviour at a time, while the "aye eye" makes up the rest.

Maybe Dee El Ess Ess 6.0 can be bullets and gibs(tm). One real bullet, with the rest inferred by the "new rail" network.

 

[BFG10K]

Millions, if not billions, will go down the drain in the next few years as uninformed clueless gamers drop their hard earned cash on the cheaper cards with 8 GB.

It's even worse with Windows 11 and the whole TPM thing. Colossal amounts of senseless e-waste.

But...but...but Microsoft cares deeply about carbon emissions, climate change, and the environment, yo!

 

[Hitman928]

I expect by DLSS10 you’ll just load up a blank room and then turn on DLSS to generate the actual game.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I expect by DLSS10 you’ll just load up a blank room and then turn on DLSS to generate the actual game.

Packet of shrooms would be cheaper...

 

[aigomorla]

I expect by DLSS10 you’ll just load up a blank room and then turn on DLSS to generate the actual game.

DLSS10 is supposedly going outside...



But i heard the games and content that support it is horrible...
Oh but at least it doesn't require 0-day patches like everything else lately, and your sort of cap'd at 60fps with no way to disable vsync.

 

[A///]

the hsf on nvidias will be the size of a room by then.

 

[psolord]

Here we are bois, I called it a few pages back, DLSS "4.0" for super-duper texture upscaling:

Nvidia details Neural Texture Compression, claims significant improvements over traditional methods

One of the hottest topics at the moment is centered around modern AAA games and their system requirements. Both the minimum and recommended specs have increased, and...

www.techspot.com

Now you too can upscale textures on top of upscaled frames on top of upscaled pixels, all for the low, low, price of $400.

Coming up next: DLSS 5.0 NPC upscaling. Only one real enemy is rendered with correct behaviour at a time, while the "aye eye" makes up the rest.

Maybe Dee El Ess Ess 6.0 can be bullets and gibs(tm). One real bullet, with the rest inferred by the "new rail" network.

Hey I called it too! I mean thereabouts, concerning memory. xD

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[igor_kavinski]

I see a future where you download maybe a gigabyte of encrypted source and instructions to generate textures, animations, maps and other assets of the game, including the engine. Then you get your free copy of Unreal Engine compiler (could be several hundred gigs) on the job, taking a few days or even up to a week, working 24/7 to generate everything at your required quality level. 1080p would be about 100GB, 1440p about 200GB and 4K should be less than 500GB. Flagship cards will offer accelerated AI generation of these assets.

 

[coercitiv]

Steve reviews the 4070 Ti in just one frame, downscaled for convenience.

 

[Ranulf]

A good review. At 1440/4k the 4070 is 19% slower than the Ti.

 

[BFG10K]

16GB 4060TI rumor:

NVIDIA to launch GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB this month, 16GB model planned for July - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA adds more SKUs to RTX 4060 series According to MEGAsizeGPU, who has been a very reliable source in the past, NVIDIA has settled on four new SKUs. Not two but three RTX 4060 models are now on the manufacturer’s roadmap. It appears that NVIDIA listened to the feedback from the gaming...

videocardz.com

I'm calling it now. If this thing is released, within ~18 months it'll be faster than the 4070/4070TI/3080TI in some situations.

 

[blckgrffn]

16GB 4060TI rumor:

NVIDIA to launch GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB this month, 16GB model planned for July - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA adds more SKUs to RTX 4060 series According to MEGAsizeGPU, who has been a very reliable source in the past, NVIDIA has settled on four new SKUs. Not two but three RTX 4060 models are now on the manufacturer’s roadmap. It appears that NVIDIA listened to the feedback from the gaming...

videocardz.com

I'm calling it now. If this thing is released, within ~18 months it'll be faster than the 4070/4070TI/3080TI in some situations.

Easily. 3060 proved this vs the 3070, etc.

The “announced in May, delivered in July” bit smells like a late date “whoops” decision when they realized how DOA the 8GB card will be except with their most ardent mouthpieces. Feels like about 90 days to decision to shelves, with about 40 days of that being shipping logistics. That likely means the 16GB was planned as a possible sku all along and just got pulled into being now.

If it’s available and priced at a sane level (a full step below the 4070, interpret that as you will), I think the 4060ti 16GB will be a prime Nvidia card to get. Then skip all the way to the 4080. IMO, same as the previous generation. The 4070 will once again be in a weird spot, even weirder than the 3xxx series where only the non-ti 3060 existed.

Will we see a 24GB 4070/4070ti? Or is that the 5070 refresh carrot?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

A 16GB 160W GPU is sounding really tasty.

 

[Saylick]

How fast can a 4060 Ti be? The 4070 tied the 3080 in 1080p/1440p (loses in 4K) but with the 4060 Ti being 25% cutdown from the 4070, I cannot imagine it being faster than the RX 6800. If we then talk about price, a used RX6800 can be found for under $400. Meanwhile, it sounds like the 16 GB version of the 4060 Ti will be over $500. You'd be buying something slower for more money, just to save 50W of power (RX6800 can do 200W easily) and to gain access to DLSS3?

 

[jpiniero]

How fast can a 4060 Ti be?

A tad faster than the 3070. Maybe the 16 GB model will do better in situations where the 3070 is VRAM limited.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How fast can a 4060 Ti be? The 4070 tied the 3080 in 1080p/1440p (loses in 4K) but with the 4060 Ti being 25% cutdown from the 4070, I cannot imagine it being faster than the RX 6800. If we then talk about price, a used RX6800 can be found for under $400. Meanwhile, it sounds like the 16 GB version of the 4060 Ti will be over $500. You'd be buying something slower for more money, just to save 50W of power (RX6800 can do 200W easily) and to gain access to DLSS3?

Comparing used to new is no bueno for many of us. One is a dice roll, the other is fully back for 2yrs or more and never been ragged out for months or years mining crypto.

Best ray tracing and upscaling, with frame generation, NVENC, Broadcast, best A.I. features, superior VR compatibility, all add value too. Nvidia is killing it at selling software supported by the hardware at this point. If you are doing anything but raster gaming, AMD is truly second rate in most categories. A $500-$550 card that has all that, is 160W, may be a killer overclocker, could have true 2 slot models, and a single power connector? AMD has a lot of wood to chop to compete with that.

 

[jpiniero]

Comparing used to new is no bueno for many of us. One is a dice roll, the other is fully back for 2yrs or more and never been ragged out for months or years mining crypto.

It is true that the 6950 XT has been $599 and the 6800 XT's been under $500. That's new prices not used.

 

[Saylick]

Comparing used to new is no bueno for many of us. One is a dice roll, the other is fully back for 2yrs or more and never been ragged out for months or years mining crypto.

Best ray tracing and upscaling, with frame generation, NVENC, Broadcast, best A.I. features, superior VR compatibility, all add value too. Nvidia is killing it at selling software supported by the hardware at this point. If you are doing anything but raster gaming, AMD is truly second rate in most categories. A $500-$550 card that has all that, is 160W, may be a killer overclocker, could have true 2 slot models, and a single power connector? AMD has a lot of wood to chop to compete with that.

Fair enough, comparing used vs new isn't apples to apples.

I still think that 3070/3070 Ti performance some 2.5 years later for $550 because it has 16 GB RAM, 50% better perf/W, and DLSS3 seems kind of lack luster in terms of improvement over time. All of the other features you mentioned are available on the 3070/3070 Ti as well, i.e. driver support, VR compatibility, 2-slot cooler.

 

[Timorous]

A 4060Ti 16GB at $500 or less would 100% force AMD to make the 7700XT a 16GB card which means a 12GB N32 will either be the vanilla 7700 or the 7600XT.

There is no way around it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Fair enough, comparing used vs new isn't apples to apples.

I still think that 3070/3070 Ti performance some 2.5 years later for $550 because it has 16 GB RAM, 50% better perf/W, and DLSS3 seems kind of lack luster in terms of improvement over time. All of the other features you mentioned are available on the 3070/3070 Ti as well, i.e. driver support, VR compatibility, 2-slot cooler.

You were comparing it to the 6800, so all of those features I listed were necessary. Gen on gen it's still a good advancement IMO. Twice the ram is a giant win in the price range. Particularly when you consider how much Nvidia prefers to extort for extra ram. The 4070 flopping has sent the message?

And as an almost exclusive single player gamer, frame generation is intriguing. If it works as advertised, and I haven't been gaslit, I would use it in every supporting game. Twice the ram and FG then leaves an 8GB 3070 series card in the dust. DLAA is something I didn't list that is also extremely attractive to me. Seriously, the software features are damned impressive.

 

[Thunder 57]

Comparing used to new is no bueno for many of us. One is a dice roll, the other is fully back for 2yrs or more and never been ragged out for months or years mining crypto.

Best ray tracing and upscaling, with frame generation, NVENC, Broadcast, best A.I. features, superior VR compatibility, all add value too. Nvidia is killing it at selling software supported by the hardware at this point. If you are doing anything but raster gaming, AMD is truly second rate in most categories. A $500-$550 card that has all that, is 160W, may be a killer overclocker, could have true 2 slot models, and a single power connector? AMD has a lot of wood to chop to compete with that.

It would still be bandwidth starved. How much that matters we have yet to see.