8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[BFG10K]

Performance wasn't too bad even on a 3070. He had a lot more trouble with the DRM.

He also mentioned the game needs to be restarted after changing any settings or you might have strange issues. That could be the source of some of the problems reported online.

 

[aigomorla]

Performance wasn't too bad even on a 3070. He had a lot more trouble with the DRM.

this is after the patches i am assuming?

 

[coercitiv]

this is after the patches i am assuming?

Nope, it's just the 7800X3D going down in a blaze of glory. (I had to, I just had to)

 

[aigomorla]

Nope, it's just the 7800X3D going down in a blaze of glory. (I had to, I just had to)

is that you trying to sing Bon Jovi? or are you off key?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Nope, it's just the 7800X3D going down in a blaze of glory. (I had to, I just had to)

Hope you don't mind if I tag in to give it another boot to the head.



On topic: Interesting that Jedi Survivor will keeping grabbing the vram if you have it, but make do pretty well if you don't.

I see Last of Us has a big patch that includes texture streaming rate now. The vid I watched showed it looks better on medium, though still muddy. With DLSS they were able to keep everything within the frame buffer on a 3060ti by using 1x. Ryzen 3600 is also pretty much fully loaded.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Another vid about the patch and texture improvements while staying within the 8GB. Along with looking at other supposed fixes.

 

[coercitiv]

is that you trying to sing Bon Jovi? or are you off key?

Me?! I'm just an innocent bystander who just happened to pass the street when the firetrucks arrived.

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Back to Jedi Survivor, here's an interesting commentary on the state of the game and the signs that pointed towards a bumpy release. Interestingly, it's the first time I hear the game is also experiencing performance and IQ issues on PS5. So this ain't just a "bad port", the consoles are struggling to run it as well. If you want 60FPS on PS5, you're probably playing 720p in the more graphically intensive areas.

 

[psolord]

They say a picture is worth 1000 words and they are right. One screenshot that highlights the problem with Jedi Survivor. This is a run from my 2500k+gtx 1070 configuration at 1080p high.

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-Game runs a bit above 30fps.
-The gpu is at less than 40% because the clock is low. The 1070 can go to 2Ghz.
-The ancient 2500k is only at 54%
-8GB is enough, since the vram is at 4.6GBs (see how I made this post on topic? xD)

So normally, it SHOULD be reaching 60fps but noooo

I can tell you however, that 4GBs are not enough for sure (3.5Gbs to be exact)

It did not run well on the GTX970 at all. Less than 30fps for the most part at 1080p medium. (non monetized channel)

The 2500k with the GTX 1070 run noticably better and that, at 1080p High mind you.

I noticed something reaally weird.

I did a test run of Jedi Survivor, on the 2500k+rx6600 and I saw very good performance. All things considered of course. It did run MUCH better than my GTX 1070 run.

I took a screenshot from the video I prepared, since it is not yet uploaded, which is at the same area I showed on the quoted post.

See the difference. We are talking going from 32fps to 55fps, on the same settings, on the same ancient system. Plus the 6600 is only 8X pcie lanes, which is furthermore handicapped by the pcie ver 2.0 of the sandy. Also notice the much higher vram utilization of the 6600. what the eff? I did see a new patch getting downloaded, something like 1.4GB. I wonder if that is the reason or AMD's driver is so much better for DX12. Investigating...

 

[WelshBloke]

I noticed something reaally weird.

I did a test run of Jedi Survivor, on the 2500k+rx6600 and I saw very good performance. All things considered of course. It did run MUCH better than my GTX 1070 run.

I took a screenshot from the video I prepared, since it is not yet uploaded, which is at the same area I showed on the quoted post.

See the difference. We are talking going from 32fps to 55fps, on the same settings, on the same ancient system. Plus the 6600 is only 8X pcie lanes, which is furthermore handicapped by the pcie ver 2.0 of the sandy. Also notice the much higher vram utilization of the 6600. what the eff? I did see a new patch getting downloaded, something like 1.4GB. I wonder if that is the reason or AMD's driver is so much better for DX12. Investigating...
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AFAIK it's an AMD sponsored game so I guess that they have had a bit longer to get their drivers in order than Nvidia.
It does seem (anecdotally) that it runs better on AMD though, I'm finding it pretty playable and fun.

 

[coercitiv]

I did see a new patch getting downloaded, something like 1.4GB.

PC Patch 3.5 - Available May 1, 2023 at 7am PST
We’ve released a patch for PC today to make some performance improvements for non-raytraced rendering. You can expect more PC updates as soon as possible.

It should be better for Nvidia GPUs as well:

 

[psolord]

Yeah it seems it was the patch. I'm seeing up to 50% more performance, fml.

Two shots comparing same locations from two different runs. One run from 12400f+3060ti and one run from 12400f+4070ti. Yeah it's a little orange-tangerine comparison, but the 3060ti was clearly cpu limited in these parts.





Seriously, it was a two day affair. Couldn't they have made that patch BEFORE release and spare us all the drama? Freakin idiots.

 

[blckgrffn]

lmao, for better or worse they have gotten so much press on this. The profile on the game now could not be higher. Plenty of folks probably have bought it now that would not have. It’s like a Streisand effect. I bet at least one person here bought it to bench that wouldn’t have bought it otherwise - at least not at launch 😂

 

[A///]

you're making grand presumption ea's marketers are intelligent to consider a lil drama for the clicks.

 

[blckgrffn]

you're making grand presumption ea's marketers are intelligent to consider a lil drama for the clicks.

I am saying they have been rewarded for their release hijinks already. There will be no real pressure on them to change or do it better next time, and I do trust them to calculate the value of the viral nature of the marketing even if they didn’t plan it.

I 100% trust the marketing dept to spin it.

I mean the dollar value of all this need rage? Freaking huge! Great job guys 😂

 

[A///]

I am saying they have been rewarded for their release hijinks already. There will be no real pressure on them to change or do it better next time, and I do trust them to calculate the value of the viral nature of the marketing even if they didn’t plan.

I 100% trust the marketing dept to spin it.

but that's the same explanation why ubisoft is still a terrible company more than 20 years later... idk, it doesn't add up to me. ea is all about profits above all else, they won't fix it until they get dragged in the rpress.

 

[blckgrffn]

but that's the same explanation why ubisoft is still a terrible company more than 20 years later... idk, it doesn't add up to me. ea is all about profits above all else, they won't fix it until they get dragged in the rpress.

In that sense a bunch of people got worked hard the last few days to patch it up. And everyone that was complaining got a better game and future purchasers get it too.

EA didn’t need to fix it unless it sold well enough to continue to investing into.

Wasted dev time? In this economy!?!? Haha, right.

I guess we will never know whether this is a net positive or negative, but my money is it’s positive especially as they were able to “fix” it relatively quickly.

 

[psolord]

lmao, for better or worse they have gotten so much press on this. The profile on the game now could not be higher. Plenty of folks probably have bought it now that would not have. It’s like a Streisand effect. I bet at least one person here bought it to bench that wouldn’t have bought it otherwise - at least not at launch 😂

Hey, I had preordered! xD

I bought the freagin 4070ti for this game and cyberpunk. And seemingly, I needed a new cpu not a gpu. Turns out the 3060ti was fine in the first place AND I didn't get dlss either. We did get fsr though. Pfff, what FeaSantRy is this? xD Man what a bummer. At least I will have solid 60fps now (I hope).

I don't need the drama for real. Although now that I got 50% free performance, my investment grew at least 50% in value. Profit?

 

[blckgrffn]

Hey, I had preordered! xD

I bought the freagin 4070ti for this game and cyberpunk. And seemingly, I needed a new cpu not a gpu. Turns out the 3060ti was fine in the first place AND I didn't get dlss either. We did get fsr though. Pfff, what FeaSantRy is this? xD Man what a bummer. At least I will have solid 60fps now (I hope).

I don't need the drama for real. Although now that I got 50% free performance, my investment grew at least 50% in value. Profit?

PROFIT!!!! 😃

4070ti should actually be able to stretch it’s legs for you too.

Enjoy all those “profit” frames the nerds unlocked!

 

[A///]

In that sense a bunch of people got worked hard the last few days to patch it up. And everyone that was complaining got a better game and future purchasers get it too.

EA didn’t need to fix it unless it sold well enough to continue to investing into.

Wasted dev time? In this economy!?!? Haha, right.

I guess we will never know whether this is a net positive or negative, but my money is it’s positive especially as they were able to “fix” it relatively quickly.

all I see is EA rushed a product, people complained and then ea corp had people on salary stay in overtime and work weekends to get get a patch out that fixes some of the performance issues. the sad state of affairs and some people think it's great.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

all I see is EA rushed a product, people complained and then ea corp had people on salary stay in overtime and work weekends to get get a patch out that fixes some of the performance issues. the sad state of affairs and some people think it's great.

and this is somehow a new thing that hasn't happened before?

 

[A///]

and this is somehow a new thing that hasn't happened before?

Read a few posts up. this is what I've been saying but he thinks it's great and is a sales tactic.

 

[blckgrffn]

Read a few posts up. this is what I've been saying but he thinks it's great and is a sales tactic.

Where did I say it was great that it was released a little broken??? It wasn’t so broken that one sprint seemed to have resolved a host of issues. It makes you wonder how many of these were already flagged internally on their issue tracker at launch.

My tongue is firmly in cheek - yet for all the angst about it, I see a thread full of people who day one purchased a PC game knowing it was a console port? When exactly has that gone well lately?

At least the angst got you guys something, not just weeks/months of promises and incremental improvements. Maybe you can guess which recent title that burned so many I am referencing. I guess there is a few to choose from.

What I did point out was that EA likely won huge for all the free publicity this got, and the follow on videos about it being patched, etc. It even invaded this thread thoroughly instead of staying in a thread under some gaming sub forum.

I am happy for @psolord though, he actually cared about the game and it got fixed. That is indeed a positive outcome. Most people who own the game likely won’t play more than a few hours regardless.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Man what a bummer. At least I will have solid 60fps now (I hope).

Sell the 3060 Ti for a CPU upgrade. Don't get stuck with that gimped GPU.

 

[Golgatha]

Glad I got a copy of Jedi Survivor included with my 7700X purchase even if it is struggling out of the gate. It runs pretty well on my 5800X3D with a 3080, and it's pretty smooth on my 4090 with 7700X as well.

Side note - I purchased my 7700X as an open box, but the open box looked awful (caked with thermal paste, etc.), so the manager at my local Micro Center substituted a new one for the open box price instead. For $285 I ended up with a NIB 7700X, 32GB of RAM (this was during the free RAM promo), and a copy of Jedi Survivor.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Mechanical stick you say? I could give it a go!

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I have that exact same model of Wingman extreme with the Serial to USB port in my closet. Just been ages since I've fired up Freespace 2 Open so haven't had much use for it recently...