8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well, there is Intel and the 770.

Damned right there is, and I am glad for it. I know what you meant, but you should've specified 16GB since there is an 8GB model. It does nothing to undermine the value of the 6800, since it is far less performant. However, it is developing into a viable option. Needs to be no more than $275 IMO. The 6700XT is too good to recommend the A770 16GB when the price is close.

 

[BFG10K]

I see responses to HUB on Twitter, saying "can't you just turn the textures down?"

Ah yes, #11 and #14 in the nVidia VRAM apologist handbook (tm).

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Ray Tracing - I am the future!

Textures - And I took that personally.

This is an active thread so I will mention it here. The forum migration will be happening shortly, which means they will be down for a good part of the day. Just a head's up.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Perhaps not just AMD. I am hopeful the A770 16GB is doing well in The Last of Us. Seeing it throw a beating to the 306ti, 3070/ti because they lack the VRAM would be quite satisfying. Hell, it may outperform the 3080 10GB at high enough settings. FPS means squat when frame pacing is terrible.

I see responses to HUB on Twitter, saying "can't you just turn the textures down?" LOL of course you can. But you sacrifice probably the most important visual. not like they have any choice though.

I don't think anything is going to do well with this trash port. For a minute I thought maybe Iron Galaxy included a cryptocurrency miner built into the game but then I realized that was impossible since I would have had full gpu usage in that case.

 

[jpiniero]

I don't think anything is going to do well with this trash port. For a minute I thought maybe Iron Galaxy included a cryptocurrency miner built into the game but then I realized that was impossible since I would have had full gpu usage in that case.

Are you able to play without letting it completely finish the shader compiling? Maybe that's what's going on.

 

[coercitiv]

The game is getting review bombed on Steam, crashes are very common apparently.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Are you able to play without letting it completely finish the shader compiling? Maybe that's what's going on.

Nah I was playing after the shader compilation had reached 100% and completed

 

[Jaskalas]

Tlou Part 1 with high vram usage ? Yet another game ?

Every single modern console port now.
Bare minimums appear to be 8gb for 1080p. 12gb for 1440p. 16gb for 4k.
And even then, you may want more as they appear to be capping at those values.

 

[Saylick]

The game is getting review bombed on Steam, crashes are very common apparently.

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Maybe the Last of Us refers to those clinging onto the hope that their 8GB card is enough, because that demographic appears to be dwindling day by day.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The game is getting review bombed on Steam, crashes are very common apparently.

I wouldn't call it review bombing. Review bombing is when you have a coordinated effort to try to kill scores for a game. I think this is a lot of people who bought it angry the game runs terribly at best and unplayable in many cases. Even after more than an hour of compiling shaders in the menu to 100% until the compiling shaders message disappears the game seems to compile shaders while playing too, which is likely why I had a huge drop in framerate and jump in cpu load when just changing the game from 1440p to 1080p and reloading a save. I haven't had any crashes in the game but for instance I lose control of my character for a second or two every 30-45 seconds in the opening stage of the game, which makes the game absolutely unplayable.

 

[coercitiv]

Review bombing is when you have a coordinated effort to try to kill scores for a game. I think this is a lot of people who bought it angry the game runs terribly at best and unplayable in many cases.

I would argue that sometimes it can be both. In this case, based on the reviews I shuffled through, people are making a clear distinction between the original game and the port, and are review bombing to signal the unacceptable state of the PC version. They could easily choose the more rational and much more effective way of getting a refund.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Joel with DLSS on

 

[amenx]

For those who want to optimize their 8gb cards (or all cards basically), this is a pretty good optimization channel. He basically tests all settings in popular games and shows fps impact, image quality and other performance stats (on a 3060 ti).

https://www.youtube.com/@benchmarking4386/videos

 

[Jaskalas]

Gotta say, given the new requirements, I picked perhaps the absolute worst time to try and move on from 1080p to 1440p.
Though the move did free me from GSync exclusivity and will allow AMD to be an option. Perhaps the now sorely needed upgrade from my 3060Ti will be something from team red.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Gotta say, given the new requirements, I picked perhaps the absolute worst time to try and move on from 1080p to 1440p.
Though the move did free me from GSync exclusivity and will allow AMD to be an option. Perhaps the now sorely needed upgrade from my 3060Ti will be something from team red.

I can't really understand getting any Nvidia gpu other than the 4090 right now if it's strictly for gaming. God do they love starving their cards for VRAM and can't believe how much they seem to be doubling down on it for the 4000 series. Seems like it has been like this most of the time since the GTX 680 with a few exceptions like the 1080 Ti and 1070 that aged brilliantly thanks to having forward looking amounts of VRAM. And 2080 Ti has aged well too, though it should have for $1200.

 

[igor_kavinski]

4070 non-Ti 12GB, if it gets released, might be acceptable as a decent 1440p card.

 

[BFG10K]

4070 non-Ti 12GB, if it gets released, might be acceptable as a decent 1440p card.

Problem is, it's rumored to be a horrendous $750. Then the next ones down 4060/4060Ti are both 8GB so they're DOA.

 

[Timorous]

Joel with DLSS on

Looks better than native to me.

 

[Timorous]

4070 non-Ti 12GB, if it gets released, might be acceptable as a decent 1440p card.

a 4070 or 4070ti with 12 GB of ram is not bad per se. They are bad at $700-800 which is the current price but if they were coming in at even 3070 MSRP so $500 for the 4070 and $600 for the 4070Ti then for 1440p it would be no where near as bad. The 4070Ti would still be on the edge though because in that $600 region you would expect 16 GB of ram IMO.

Really if you think about it 1080p cards should be 300 or less and 8GB at the low end here is fine.
1440p should be 550 or less and 12GB is okay here.
4K should start at around 600 and ideally be 16GB or more.
4K ultra is basically the realm of the $1,000 + tier with 24GB of ram and replaces the SLI on a stick setups some went with. Even $2K for a 4K Ultra + RT 4090Ti for example would be cheaper than going quad sli and the performance is going to be a lot more reliable so I don't really see an issue for that ultra high end halo part but the parts below it need to make sense and they just don't.

 

[VirtualLarry]

YT'er buys RTX 3080 10GB used for $550, over an RX 6800XT for $500, now regrets it due to VRAM limitations.

 

[gamervivek]

A youtube reviewer saying at 7m40s that TLOU ran quite well on 3060 and he thought it was well optimized, only to see stutters on 3060Ti.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

YT'er buys RTX 3080 10GB used for $550, over an RX 6800XT for $500, now regrets it due to VRAM limitations.

As I have written before, Nvidia was firing on all cylinders while the zoomers were growing up. That resulted in a generation equating Nvidia with PC gaming. My son and his friends were all indoctrinated.

I do think it is cool the mindset is starting to change in that age group now. He talks about how ray tracing propaganda worked on him. He was convinced that it was an important factor in his purchasing decision. Once he tried it, he found out he didn't care for it, or about it. Welcome aboard kid.

Plus owning an AMD APU laptop, he discovered the AMD user experience is a good one. Not the terrible time the viral marketers and shills tirelessly claim you'll have.

He is salty over the 3080 not accelerating his productivity the way he thought it would. Paying more for less VRAM, and ray tracing being a vastly overhyped feature. With how Nvidia is apparently going to price 6GB and 8GB cards this gen, they are going to help sell more AMD cards than AMD's horrible marketing and sales dept. ever could.

 

[igor_kavinski]

A youtube reviewer saying at 7m40s that TLOU ran quite well on 3060 and he thought it was well optimized, only to see stutters on 3060Ti.

Jensen shouting at his engineers: "Why didn't any of you peabrains THINK about the consequences of giving the cheaper 3060 more VRAM than the Ti version???"

 

[KompuKare]

Jensen shouting at his engineers: "Why didn't any of you peabrains THINK about the consequences of giving the cheaper 3060 more VRAM than the Ti version???"

But to be fair, planning obsolescence doesn't work quite like that:
we can make card which will run out of VRAM before it runs out of grunt (3060 Ti, etc.)
or we can make a card which will run out of grunt before it runs of VRAM.

For planning obsolescence, the important thing is to make unbalanced cards!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Jensen shouting at his engineers: "Why didn't any of you peabrains THINK about the consequences of giving the cheaper 3060 more VRAM than the Ti version???"

HWUB needs a new chart - "Cost per frame, per VRAM".