800MHz iPhone 4S browser powers past 1.5GHz Samsung Galaxy S II

[Red Storm]

that's uhm...the only button on the phone lol

(siri activates after holding down the main button for 2 seconds)

Oh. Well like I said I didn't know as I've never used it.

My ideal is a Star Trek like system that allows me to activate the mic when a keyword or phrase is said.

"Computer: (mic activates) Turn on Pandora and read me my notifications."

One can dream.

 

[Ns1]

Oh. Well like I said I didn't know as I've never used it.

yeah I wasn't sure, that's why I added that last bit in () lol

 

[Zaap]

Yeah, because there are so many devices out there with 4.5" screens right? It's ironic you bring up screen size when the discussion's about a feature that makes a screen far less important.

You failed to notice that the whole subject is a comparison of the iPhone to the Galaxy S2. If you knew how to read, you'd see that it's already been mentioned that the Galaxy having a larger screen is a feature I consider better than just some voice control app, especially when I already have voice control. After that of course, the usual iFanatics jumped in wanking off about Siri, because they can't seem to understand anything rational, and others are just dumb as a box of rocks.

I know when I use voice control I don't have to look at the screen on my phone, isn't that the point? Apple didn't invent voice command, but now they've came the closest by far to getting it right.

I know when I tell my phone to navigate to a certain location, I expect a decent GPS app to pop up with the address, and yes, on a screen larger than one from 2009 to view it on.

 

[alfa147x]

You failed to notice that the whole subject is a comparison of the iPhone to the Galaxy S2. If you knew how to read, you'd see that it's already been mentioned that the Galaxy having a larger screen is a feature I consider better than just some voice control app, especially when I already have voice control. After that of course, the usual iFanatics jumped in wanking off about Siri, because they can't seem to understand anything rational, and others are just dumb as a box of rocks.

 

[MrX8503]

Where did I say that?
Dude seriously .... if you have the one device that runs Siri, use it to look up READING COMPREHENSION. You desperately need it as well as lessons in general communication. Is there an app for that?

Here you go. Apparently along with blindness you also have amnesia.

vlingo is just one choice of voice command for Android. The built in Google voice command is pretty damned good. The only thing I use it for is voice-activated music choice in the car, and of course voice commands for dialing/SMS/opening apps while in the car. Works amazingly. If Apple does it as good, great for them, but it's not a selling point for everyone.

Again, I'll say for the third time, Siri and Google voice commands are different, not only different, but also superior.

 

[Zaap]

Just proving you can't read, or comprehend what you read. I don't expect much from the F.D. but you could probably do better.

 

[badb0y]

Oh. Well like I said I didn't know as I've never used it.

My ideal is a Star Trek like system that allows me to activate the mic when a keyword or phrase is said.

"Computer: (mic activates) Turn on Pandora and read me my notifications."

One can dream.

It's coming, just wait .

 

[TheStu]

yeah I wasn't sure, that's why I added that last bit in () lol

Oh. Well like I said I didn't know as I've never used it.

My ideal is a Star Trek like system that allows me to activate the mic when a keyword or phrase is said.

"Computer: (mic activates) Turn on Pandora and read me my notifications."

One can dream.

I am pretty sure Siri works with the button on the earbuds. Press and hold Play maybe? Not sure, I have WinMoPho, and I don't know anyone with a 4S, but I think i read it somewhere.

 

[MrX8503]

Just proving you can't read, or comprehend what you read. I don't expect much from the F.D. but you could probably do better.

Insistent denial must be a third of your traits.

 

[pm]

I am pretty sure Siri works with the button on the earbuds. Press and hold Play maybe? Not sure, I have WinMoPho, and I don't know anyone with a 4S, but I think i read it somewhere.

It does. Hold down home on the phone, or hold down play on the earbuds, or if you have a bluetooth system and aren't in a call, just press the bluetooth button and Siri will activate.

 

[senseamp]

When it comes down to it though, I'd rather have 1.5GHz than 800MHz. Even if iOS browser is faster now.
Google may update the browser at any time, but you are stuck with the slower CPU for 2 years.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

When it comes down to it though, I'd rather have 1.5GHz than 800MHz. Even if iOS browser is faster now.
Google may update the browser at any time, but you are stuck with the slower CPU for 2 years.

Why though? It's like the whole MHz/GHz thing. It doesn't mean anything. There are other things in a CPU that could make things faster that aren't as easy to compare as MHz/GHz.

That's one of the reasons why Apple doesn't like advertising CPU speeds as much. Yes they've done it. But not as much as the other manufacturers who need that kind of differentiation to compare to each other.

 

[alent1234]

When it comes down to it though, I'd rather have 1.5GHz than 800MHz. Even if iOS browser is faster now.
Google may update the browser at any time, but you are stuck with the slower CPU for 2 years.

sandy bridge 2.5GHz CPU's are more than twice as fast than the old 4GHz P4's. architecture counts for a lot. nvidia can do amazing graphics at 1GHz that intel can't do at 2.5GHz

 

[jpeyton]

sandy bridge 2.5GHz CPU's are more than twice as fast than the old 4GHz P4's. architecture counts for a lot. nvidia can do amazing graphics at 1GHz that intel can't do at 2.5GHz

You do realize the architecture is about the same? The A5 is an ARM A9 CPU with a GPU from Imagination Technologies (who licenses to TI, Samsung, and others; they also have ARM A9 CPUs).

All the optimizations are done at the software level.

The original argument stands: Google can update Android to make it faster, but you can't speed up the CPU without getting an entirely new phone.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

You do realize the architecture is about the same? The A5 is an ARM A9 CPU with a GPU from Imagination Technologies (who licenses to TI, Samsung, and others; they also have ARM A9 CPUs).

All the optimizations are done at the software level.

The original argument stands: Google can update Android to make it faster, but you can't speed up the CPU without getting an entirely new phone.

All right. Then why do you need that extra GHz?

 

[alfa147x]

The original argument stands: Google can update Android to make it faster, but you can't speed up the CPU without getting an entirely new phone.

They won't. Android has way too many devices and too many cheap / flakey manufacturers.

Who is going to optimize a whole OS for one phone? No one will do it well... This is why Android is not as great as people make it out to be.

 

[alfa147x]

All right. Then why do you need that extra GHz?

How is that an argument when you are comparing phones?

You have two cars one with a 30 mpg @ 500 hp and the other 30 mpg @ 100 hp... Which one would you choose?

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

How is that an argument when you are comparing phones?

You have two cars one with a 30 mpg @ 500 hp and the other 30 mpg @ 100 hp... Which one would you choose?

That's the problem though. You cant compare the two. We don't know what changes Apple did to the Cortex-A9 to put it into the A5.

So once again. You can't compare the two just by GHz.

 

[alfa147x]

That's the problem though. You cant compare the two. We don't know what changes Apple did to the Cortex-A9 to put it into the A5.

So once again. You can't compare the two just by GHz.

They are similar enough that you can compare them. They both carry the same architecture.

 

[badb0y]

Software updates for Android have to go through the carriers no? That's going to take a good six months to come out at least.

 

[runawayprisoner]

Software updates for Android have to go through the carriers no? That's going to take a good six months to come out at least.

It's both a yes and no. In simple terms, no. Software updates often come via third-party channels, like XDA and Cyanogen, and they can be either something you can install outright on top of what you have, or can be flashed to the phone as a new firmware. Needless to say, many prefer it that way than carrier updates.

iOS updates come completely courtesy of Apple though, and early access is only granted to developers if it's a major revision.

 

[alent1234]

They are similar enough that you can compare them. They both carry the same architecture.

amd and intel both do x64 and x86 but performance varies depending on task. same with all the other ARM CPU's out there. Intel's quicksync will do some tasks a lot faster than a $500 nvidia card. nvidia will do physics better than generic intel

apple has over 1000 CPU engineers working to customize generic ARM CPU's

 

[alfa147x]

amd and intel both do x64 and x86 but performance varies depending on task. same with all the other ARM CPU's out there. Intel's quicksync will do some tasks a lot faster than a $500 nvidia card. nvidia will do physics better than generic intel

apple has over 1000 CPU engineers working to customize generic ARM CPU's

ah good point

 

[runawayprisoner]

amd and intel both do x64 and x86 but performance varies depending on task. same with all the other ARM CPU's out there. Intel's quicksync will do some tasks a lot faster than a $500 nvidia card. nvidia will do physics better than generic intel

apple has over 1000 CPU engineers working to customize generic ARM CPU's

However, generic tasks such as decompressing zip files, rendering Cinema4D or tracing Photoshop actions are still good metric comparison for clock-to-clock performance of Intel vs AMD chip.

In the same context, unless Apple was somehow able to invent a custom chip that can accelerate web browsing specifically, which I sincerely doubt, comparing browser performance is still a relevant test, if only to test the level of optimization and polish one platform has over another. Hence why we keep seeing Anand doing those tests over and over again.

However, as stated, more GHz means more headroom for optimization. The only question that remains is how long it will take for those optimizations to arrive at a point where it matches iOS current level. At which point, I have a feeling iOS would have pulled ahead again.

 

[alent1234]

if GHz is more room for optimization why did Intel's CPU's starting with C2d half the GHz speed and yet outperform the P4?

GHz was relevant in the 1990's and the race to 1GHz but now it's all efficient architecture and power efficiency. and every efficient architecture outperforms the non-efficient ones