Different scenario. In your example, there is reason to believe that every medical professional has knowledge of Bob's skill and can properly evaluate his skill. Established media and political insiders are afraid of Trump because he (correctly) dismisses them as mostly useless idiots. That frightens them more than any political opinion or position on actual issues. It's the same reason many in the GOP were/are terrified of Trump, they are terrified of anyone that can't be easily brought to heel and tow the establishment line. It's obvious that those that favor entrenched establishment in the media and politics (regardless of party) are going to be against someone that dismisses established media and politicians.
Different scenario. In your example, there is reason to believe that every medical professional has knowledge of Bob's skill and can properly evaluate his skill. Established media and political insiders are afraid of Trump because he (correctly) dismisses them as mostly useless idiots. That frightens them more than any political opinion or position on actual issues. It's the same reason many in the GOP were/are terrified of Trump, they are terrified of anyone that can't be easily brought to heel and tow the establishment line. It's obvious that those that favor entrenched establishment in the media and politics (regardless of party) are going to be against someone that dismisses established media and politicians.
bshole
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What I have noticed in this election is the lack of yards signs. I don't recall any election getting less. People may vote for one of the candidates but they don't want to advertise it as much as previous elections..... at least here in Milwaukee.
glenn1
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You're not the only place. I can count on one hand how many political signs I've seen for presidential candidates in the immediate ~5-10 mile radius of my home, and I live in a reasonably dense area.
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You continue to think, and repeatedly post, what you think are my motivations for what I post. Your personal obsession with my posts, which has vanishingly little to do with the race at hand, reeks of the blind desperation of a loser.
The Trump candidacy is the end result of the GOP's decades long electoral love affair with bigots. Sorry you can't accept that and wish to otherwise lash out, but that's your problem and not ours.
WelshBloke
Lifer
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You dont think that political professionals have knowledge of Trump's skill and can properly evaluate it?
Or that they can see that theres a very good chance that he's going to kill or seriously injure the patient and that they are going to have to live with the damage.
Why would they care if Trump thinks they are useless idiots? Lots of people think Trump is a useless idiot, does that frighten him?
You really think that everyone is afraid of Trump getting into power and shaking things up for the better? Or, in my opinion, getting into power and cratering the economy, cocking up international affairs for decades to come, totally screwing over the average American economically and socially, and changing American politics for the worse for a long, long time to come?
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I haven't seen a single Clinton sign in a yard. Not a single one. I did see one yard that had what what seemed like 50 some Trump/Pence signs. And I do see several more of them sprinkled around town and Trump stickers stuck on the back of enormous black cloud spewing diesel pickup trucks.
That being said, I know very few *actual* Trump voters. In most conversations around the office people have completely distanced themselves from his crazy ramblings.
That being said, I know very few *actual* Trump voters. In most conversations around the office people have completely distanced themselves from his crazy ramblings.
WelshBloke
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Do you think that the GOP is going to be able to pull that back and become a more mainstream party of the centre right?
bshole
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The only good thing about this election from my perspective is that it hopefully marks the end of the Bush/Clinton stranglehold on executive power which began in 1980. I have been living with this for my entire adult life.
When Clinton leaves office, I hope to never to hear from either of these two families again. I am terrified by the notion of the younger generation of either of these families taking up where their parents left off. Give America a break.
When Clinton leaves office, I hope to never to hear from either of these two families again. I am terrified by the notion of the younger generation of either of these families taking up where their parents left off. Give America a break.
Commodus
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No, they're frightened of Trump because he makes the party look bad. He's reckless, a habitual liar who makes Cruz seem relatively honest, and an overt manifestation of the Republicans' worst tendencies (namely a tendency to court racism, sexism, and homophobia). Think about it: if you have a candidate who embarrasses the party virtually every day, why would you throw all your weight behind him? When he loses, you'll be tainted by association.
Anti-establishment candidates are good... if they're competent, intelligent and empathetic. Trump is none of those. An outsider asshole is still an asshole.
WelshBloke
Lifer
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Plus he doesn't really give a shit about any of this.
He doesn't care about party, or country, or the people in it, or even the wider world.
He cares about Trump. Everything else he's willing to burn at the altar of his ego.
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They have to, but it won't happen without a huge rent in there current "base", methinks. It's hard to confidently predict, but it may happen that the true "deplorables" start there own overtly nativist and socially retrograde third party. Or it may equally be that come 2020, after 4 years of successfully demonizing Hillary personally while consistently blocking any and every legislative initiative she and the Dems put forth, i.e., continuing their stance of the last 8 years, we get that spit-shined slimeball Ted Cruz making his move for the Presidency.
"He's much more rational and Presidential than that Trump guy," the great mass of retrograde, "yearning for the mythical glory years of the 1950's when blacks knew their place and women had none" will confidently tell themselves and others. That'll be the true showdown for the soul of our country, and the prospect gives me chills, for, as H. L. Mencken said, "No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."
He also said, "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." President Ted Cruz with a still-gerrymandered Republican House majority. Excuse me while I go silently weep for the Republic.
zinfamous
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...and the military. and the voters. and the business people and the economists. and the voters again. and well, everyone everywhere.
don't ever leave that bubble, though. 'tis a frightening place outside.
Correct. They are focused on his impact to the established interests (which includes them), not on evaluating his skills or positions.
If he were to win --- or in fact, if any non-party-approved person not controllable by the establishment were to win -- it would clearly show that the media and established political parties are crap and largely useless. That frightens people who depend on those things to keep their jobs and power.
Some think the latter, some the former, some a combination of the above. But again, this thread is specifically about the media. They tend to be lefties anyway, but even the righty media is extremely threatened by Trump. Look at how he's feuded with the single conservative media outlet since early in the primaries. They would rather have an establishment crook in the white house than someone they can't buy or control.
His whole life demonstrates that. Yet he somehow creates a reality distortion field undetectable to too many people. They fall for the illusion. I think that's the result of their brains being softened by decades of relentless right wing propaganda generated by people equally as dishonest & insincere as Trump.
Pence is a sterling example of that. He signed on to defend the indefensible. He'll say anything he thinks will win votes, even when it reveals him to be a completely amoral charlatan like Trump.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ke_pence_worships_a_new_god_donald_trump.html
I doubt that either of them ever believed in anything other than themselves.
WelshBloke
Lifer
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The established interests aren't just them, they are population as well.
Maybe, just maybe, they are scared that he would be really, really horrible for the country that they have to live in.
Why would it show that?
Now if he got elected and implemented amazing policies that improved everyones quality of life in the country far above any other parties abilities you might have a point.
The main point is that everyone that knows anything about politics thinks that he would do a terrible, terrible job.
I think that they would rather not have a madman at the helm.
Trump's... positions?
Check out his tax plan. It's a humdinger, ain't it? I'm sure a Repub Congress would cream their financial jeans if they could pass it. More money in the hands of the super rich means more trickle down to them but it obviously stops there. They know who they serve & why.
That's why Trump is a Republican. All the rest of his so-called "positions" are simply insincere talking points aimed at the Repub base & Repub leaning voters. His whole persona is a fraud as is that of Repub politicians in general.
First
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It's what he says to himself after every job interview. There's no point in arguing it because he'll believe you're the dummy and he's the expert until the day he dies.
Literally every study of trump fans' self-interests point to the same thing, but it's understandable why you don't like the answer.
Muse
Lifer
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You are insane. If 100 doctors told you that you were going to be dead in a year you'd interpret it as proof you are immortal. Just bananas, man
ivwshane
Lifer
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And of course everyone is apart of establishment, right? Or is it just the people who don't agree with you are all part of the establishment?
It must be everyone else and it certainly couldn't be that you live in a bubble! /s
JEDIYoda
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Why can`t Republicans understand that simple concept.........you get what you sow!!!
nickqt
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I disagree with conservatives and have no problems with them.
I do have a serious problem with outright authoritarian scumbags. They deserve no quarter.
Trump is an authoritarian who is already prepping his right-wing authoritarian pig people to revolt if and when he loses the election.
Fuck him, and fuck anyone who supports that scumbag traitorous piece of shit.
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