8 yr old Yemeni girl dies on wedding night

[ThinClient]

If you do not believe that all life should be protected, then you are a bigot.

There is no special protection for one group, but it is ok to kill another group.

It should be ok to torture and kill people who abuse children.

 

[nehalem256]

So you're a vegan who doesn't use antibiotics or you're admitting that in your opinion you're a bigot?

And I take it you are a plantphobic bigot 😛

 

[Londo_Jowo]

This is so sick period. Whoever allowed such and the perpetrator who did such should be put to death. The legislators who stood behind changing the laws to allow this should be disbarred and serve time for being accessories to the murder of this young child.

 

[TallBill]

It should be ok to torture and kill people who abuse children.

I'm ok with it but I'm also OK with simply ending them.

 

[FerrelGeek]

a 8 yr old can't be willing. they are not mentally able to say yes. No way you spin it sex with a 8 yr old is nothing more then rape.

they aren't physically ready or mentally ready for sex.

agreed

 

[sm625]

Western culture is so blind to its own hypocrisy. It is ok to eviscerate the penises of babies in a barbaric rape ritual that is 10 times more violent than a muslim marrying a child. (I'm talking about circumcision in case you are public school edumacated.) The muslim child at least has time to prepare mentally, not to mention the support of family to tell them its their duty and all that bla bla bla stuff. That sort of stuff makes a huge difference on the level of trauma felt by the victim/abusee. Imagine if women believed that when giving birth to a child, they were actually being raped by the devil and it meant they were going to hell. Imagine how many more women would die during the birthing process... I'm just trying to make a point here about the impact that culture and beliefs have on interpretation and ultimately how one handles what we could call a traumatic event. There is after all nothing more traumatic for a woman than giving birth. But because they usually have a lot of emotional and cultural support it ends up not being a terribly psychologically damaging experience compared to a rape even though rape is usually far less physically traumatic than child birth. There have in fact been cultures that held ritual rape in as high a regard as we hold child birth. It is far too easy for the ignorant westerner to go sticking his opinionated and uninformed nose into the traditions of other cultures.

 

[nehalem256]

Western culture is so blind to its own hypocrisy. It is ok to eviscerate the penises of babies in a barbaric rape ritual that is 10 times more violent than a muslim marrying a child. (I'm talking about circumcision in case you are public school edumacated.) The muslim child at least has time to prepare mentally, not to mention the support of family to tell them its their duty and all that bla bla bla stuff. That sort of stuff makes a huge difference on the level of trauma felt by the victim/abusee. Imagine if women believed that when giving birth to a child, they were actually being raped by the devil and it meant they were going to hell. Imagine how many more women would die during the birthing process... I'm just trying to make a point here about the impact that culture and beliefs have on interpretation and ultimately how one handles what we could call a traumatic event. There is after all nothing more traumatic for a woman than giving birth. But because they usually have a lot of emotional and cultural support it ends up not being a terribly psychologically damaging experience compared to a rape even though rape is usually far less physically traumatic than child birth. There have in fact been cultures that held ritual rape in as high a regard as we hold child birth.

100% this. From the OP article:

Establishing this age limit is among the top priorities of groups like HRC which was responsible for publishing the 54-page report “How Come You Allow Little Girls to Get Married?”, documenting the lifelong damage to girls who are forced to marry young. Most pro age-limit organizations agree that 18 should be the legal age for marriage.

Yet at the same time western culture will worship the right of 15 year olds to be mothers.

This leads us to the perverted situation where apparently 15 year olds are old enough to be mothers, but not wives :hmm:

 

[woolfe9998]

Western culture is so blind to its own hypocrisy. It is ok to eviscerate the penises of babies in a barbaric rape ritual that is 10 times more violent than a muslim marrying a child. (I'm talking about circumcision in case you are public school edumacated.) The muslim child at least has time to prepare mentally, not to mention the support of family to tell them its their duty and all that bla bla bla stuff. That sort of stuff makes a huge difference on the level of trauma felt by the victim/abusee. Imagine if women believed that when giving birth to a child, they were actually being raped by the devil and it meant they were going to hell. Imagine how many more women would die during the birthing process... I'm just trying to make a point here about the impact that culture and beliefs have on interpretation and ultimately how one handles what we could call a traumatic event. There is after all nothing more traumatic for a woman than giving birth. But because they usually have a lot of emotional and cultural support it ends up not being a terribly psychologically damaging experience compared to a rape even though rape is usually far less physically traumatic than child birth. There have in fact been cultures that held ritual rape in as high a regard as we hold child birth. It is far too easy for the ignorant westerner to go sticking his opinionated and uninformed nose into the traditions of other cultures.

I got three sentences into this. You are actually saying that circumcision - with no definitively proven health consequences - is worse than marrying and fucking 8 year olds. I can't see any reason to read any further.

 

[ThinClient]

I'm ok with it but I'm also OK with simply ending them.

If there's something more pressing to do, sure. However, I'm down for prolonging the process if there's enough time.

 

[werepossum]

The odds of female to male transmission are ASTRONOMICALLY small. Circumcision has absolutely no bearing on the matter.

I beg to differ. When Thailand began testing its new conscripts, it found an astronomical rate of HIV infection. This was eventually attributed to a combination of two things, unprotected sex with prostitutes and lack of circumcision. The latter was attributed to two sub-factors, that friction on the foreskin during intercourse created micro-abrasions and that the foreskin provided a moist, protected area for the bacteria* to prosper, thereby greatly expanding the time available for the bacteria to successfully infect the host. It's a micro version of the physiological reasons behind women being so much more susceptible.

If memory serves, the infection rate from highest to lowest went direct blood transfer, either sex receiving anal intercourse, female via vaginal intercourse, uncircumcised male via intercourse, circumcised male via intercourse, either sex via oral sex. (Somebody correct me with attribution if I'm wrong here, haven't seen the numbers in a decade or two but I think this is correct.)

Therefore G-d's wrath in order of ascending wrathiness would be those having oral sex, circumcised men having vaginal intercourse, uncircumcised men having vaginal intercourse, straight women, and gay male "catchers", with G-d's greatest wrath reserved for not for homosexuals but for intravenous drugs users and that most dastardly group, hemophiliacs, who being not in His sight shall snuff it as though struck by the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch. One's number of partners is also a huge factor; a man who has sex with a thousand women a year (besides being my high school hero) is at much greater risk of Lordly smiting than is the homosexual who takes it in the rear each night in a monogamous relationship. And of course, G-d's most favored and least smited (least smitten?) group being lesbians proves that G-d is in fact male as all men love lesbians.

*I should clarify that the bacteria I'm referencing here are primarily chlamydia and gonorrhea, although HIV (particularly Thailand's subtype) is an opportunistic infection with many bacteria. I'm not claiming that AIDS is directly caused by a bacterium rather than a virus.

 

[boomerang]

Western culture is so blind to its own hypocrisy. It is ok to eviscerate the penises of babies in a barbaric rape ritual that is 10 times more violent than a muslim marrying a child. (I'm talking about circumcision in case you are public school edumacated.) The muslim child at least has time to prepare mentally, not to mention the support of family to tell them its their duty and all that bla bla bla stuff. That sort of stuff makes a huge difference on the level of trauma felt by the victim/abusee. Imagine if women believed that when giving birth to a child, they were actually being raped by the devil and it meant they were going to hell. Imagine how many more women would die during the birthing process... I'm just trying to make a point here about the impact that culture and beliefs have on interpretation and ultimately how one handles what we could call a traumatic event. There is after all nothing more traumatic for a woman than giving birth. But because they usually have a lot of emotional and cultural support it ends up not being a terribly psychologically damaging experience compared to a rape even though rape is usually far less physically traumatic than child birth. There have in fact been cultures that held ritual rape in as high a regard as we hold child birth. It is far too easy for the ignorant westerner to go sticking his opinionated and uninformed nose into the traditions of other cultures.

Why is it when I read this I have a mental image of orderlies chasing you through the halls of the psych ward while you maniacally type while trying to evade capture?

 

[woolfe9998]

I beg to differ. When Thailand began testing its new conscripts, it found an astronomical rate of HIV infection. This was eventually attributed to a combination of two things, unprotected sex with prostitutes and lack of circumcision. The latter was attributed to two sub-factors, that friction on the foreskin during intercourse created micro-abrasions and that the foreskin provided a moist, protected area for the bacteria to prosper, thereby greatly expanding the time available for the bacteria to successfully infect the host. It's a micro version of the physiological reasons behind women being so much more susceptible.

Dunno about Thailand, but the research I've read about suggests he's correct. Example:

Overall, 19 (12%) male partners and 82 (20%) female partners were infected with HIV, suggesting that male to female transmission is 1.9 (95% confidence interval 1.1 to 3.3) times more effective than female to male transmission.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1392708

 

[ThinClient]

Western culture is so blind to its own hypocrisy. It is ok to eviscerate the penises of babies in a barbaric rape ritual that is 10 times more violent than a muslim marrying a child. (I'm talking about circumcision in case you are public school edumacated.)

Ahem.

Genital mutilation is COMPLETELY religious in origin. It is not acceptable to many. What makes you think that 100% of the people in western cultures accept the barbaric violence (especially to children) that invariably comes with bronze age myths?

The muslim child at least has time to prepare mentally,

No, they don't. An 8 year old cannot possibly comprehend what they are being forced into. They're EIGHT, you monster.

not to mention the support of family to tell them its their duty and all that bla bla bla stuff. That sort of stuff makes a huge difference on the level of trauma felt by the victim/abusee.

Okay, so it's okay to sexually traumatize and brutalize and victimize EIGHT YEAR OLDS if their mommy and daddy tells them that it's okay?

You need your head examined.

Imagine if women believed that when giving birth to a child, they were actually being raped by the devil and it meant they were going to hell.

Why would I imagine that? That's just stupid and in no way relates to this discussion.

Imagine how many more women would die during the birthing process... I'm just trying to make a point here about the impact that culture and beliefs have on interpretation and ultimately how one handles what we could call a traumatic event. There is after all nothing more traumatic for a woman than giving birth.

I like how you, a man, is making blanket statements about what it's like to be a woman. I know women who have had nine children and the kids practically fall out now. It's no big deal to her; she's not traumatized at all by it. She experiences more pain in her menstrual cramps than she does giving birth anymore. You have quite the arrogance to believe the bullshit you believe.

But because they usually have a lot of emotional and cultural support it ends up not being a terribly psychologically damaging experience compared to a rape even though rape is usually far less physically traumatic than child birth. There have in fact been cultures that held ritual rape in as high a regard as we hold child birth. It is far too easy for the ignorant westerner to go sticking his opinionated and uninformed nose into the traditions of other cultures.

When those cultures are RAPING EIGHT YEAR OLDS because their holy book and their holy leaders say they can, then I don't want anything to do with those cave-dwelling bug-eating, filth-ridden, illiterate, bronze-age-myth-having, mindlessly violent cultures.

 

[ThinClient]

I beg to differ.

[snip]

You also believe in god. I'm pretty sure that you're not very good at coming to logical conclusions.

Trust me that I'm right if you don't have the mental capacity to bother digging into the modern medical field to find that I'm right.

 

[werepossum]

Dunno about Thailand, but the research I've read about suggests he's correct. Example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1392708

But my point wasn't that uncircumcised men were at similar risk rates as women or homosexual men, merely that uncircumcised heterosexual men were at higher risk rates than circumcised heterosexual men.

You also believe in god. I'm pretty sure that you're not very good at coming to logical conclusions.

Trust me that I'm right if you don't have the mental capacity to bother digging into the modern medical field to find that I'm right.

Why would I trust you when you aren't even bright enough to recognize G-d? 😉

 

[Theb]

I got three sentences into this. You are actually saying that circumcision - with no definitively proven health consequences - is worse than marrying and fucking 8 year olds. I can't see any reason to read any further.

This. Wow. I don't think circumcision should be done by default, but whatever that was is not a helpful argument.

Why is it when I read this I have a mental image of orderlies chasing you through the halls of the psych ward while you maniacally type while trying to evade capture?

Read it twice. Laughed both times. :thumbsup:

 

[woolfe9998]

But my point wasn't that uncircumcised men were at similar risk rates as women or homosexual men, merely that uncircumcised heterosexual men were at higher risk rates than circumcised heterosexual men.

OK I understand. Interestingly, your point about circumcision dovetails with SM625's absurd observation about circumcision being worse than marrying and having sex with 8 year olds. In fact, you're correct that there is evidence that circumcision significantly reduces the likelihood of HIV transmission.

 

[Darwin333]

And its coming to a neighborhood near you.

Who is the state to tell a man and child they can not marry? The gays have been fighting for marriage equality, so lets extend that equality to everyone.

A child can not legally enter into ANY contract.

This has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage.

 

[thraashman]

And I take it you are a plantphobic bigot 😛

You actually have a point. He did say ALL life should be protected. Plants are alive... I wonder what the hell he eats then.

 

[Texashiker]

You actually have a point. He did say ALL life should be protected. Plants are alive... I wonder what the hell he eats then.

Liberal logic 101, compare the life of a plant to the life of a child.

 

[nehalem256]

A child can not legally enter into ANY contract.

This has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage.

Umm, you might want to consult this list to learn which US States(and Canada) disagree with you on that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#North_America

 

[thraashman]

Liberal logic 101, compare the life of a plant to the life of a child.

You're the one who said "If you do not believe that all life should be protected, then you are a bigot." So by your own stated logic, if plant and animal life isn't protected equally to human life that makes you a bigot. And since you're using this argument as an argument against abortion, you must also protect all eggs and seeds as well. I'm not the one who made up this rule, you are. You've just chosen to call yourself a bigot, I'm simply being the messenger.

Umm, you might want to consult this list to learn which US States(and Canada) disagree with you on that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age#North_America

And in all those states it requires either parental consent or a court ruling. So without special circumstances, Darwin is correct.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Time to bomb Yemen.

 

[nehalem256]

And in all those states it requires either parental consent or a court ruling. So without special circumstances, Darwin is correct.

Parental consent doesn't exactly constitute "special circumstances".

 

[Texashiker]

You're the one who said "If you do not believe that all life should be protected, then you are a bigot." So by your own stated logic, if plant and animal life isn't protected equally to human life that makes you a bigot.

Since when is the topic of this thread about plants?

If liberals had their way, the 8 year old girl could get a morning after pill with no questions asked.

Liberals are for marriage equality, so lets see some equality.