Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: CaiNaM
Originally posted by: Ackmed
You can make "contributing factors" for either side. What we are left with is the facts.
The fact is, the 7800 series has not had the availability, and price problem of the 7900 series. Thats the bottom line.
but that's no "bottom line"... what you ignore is the "fact" that those facts (and i think the word "fact" is a bit strong here; it was just a perception as no one complained they couldnt' get a 7800) mean absolutely nothing without being put into any type of context.
if they made 10,000 7800's, but only sold 1,000 it's a "success", cause they were "available", but if they made 10,000 7900's avail at launch, and 9,000 sold the first day, it's a failure due to "out of stock" issues as some places?
as opposed to ati getting flamed because it was confirmed they had production problems and they had almost none avail. at all?
all we know is some retailers stated nv sales were very successful, selling as much as 4:1 over ati at some places. sounds like a success to me.. and not sure why, without anything to support it, you want to flame nv for it...
at any rate there's no point in continuing to go in circles. we have what we have - comments made by some people who sell the products stating they are selling very well. until we have something that refutes that, there's no reason to believe otherwise.
Sure its the bottom line. The 7800 series has not had the availability, and price problem of the 7900 series, as Ive said countless times. Thats a fact.
Resellers, which ones? Comments made by some people, which ones? How can we corroborate them? They used Tigerdirect for "proof" of this. Yet at the time, there wasnt even a single 7900GT in the top ten that they refered to. All polls, and anything else, show the 7900GT to be much more popular than the 7900GTX. So not having it in the top ten doesnt make any sense, when the 7900GTX and XTX were. Again, I do not dispute that NV is selling more 7900 cards, than ATi is selling X18/900 cards. I just have serious doubts that the reason the supply is so low, is because the demand is so much better than previous cards, such as the 7800 series. I am much more inclined to believe the 7800 series sold many, many more cards than the 7900 series at this point. But again, without hard numbers, we dont know.
Plesae show me where I "flamed NV for it"? I have not flamed NV about this. They didnt put out the report, at least not that I know of. Its just my
opinion that they're having production problems. Once again, there is zero facts to back up these claims of 4:1 numbers. But as I said, you can find anything you want, if you look hard enough. Im sure you could find a reseller that sells Pentiums at a 4:1 ratio over A64's too. That doesnt mean thats the case overall.
The INQ reports that ATi sales are "superb", with word from Overclockers.co.uk. Ending with this statement, "ATI appears to have done well in high-end after all but Nvidia is starting to stack up its chips,
as its yields turn out to be better." So according to them,
avail was low due to worse yeilds, as I alluded to. Now, you can choose to believe this or not, just as someone can about the other statement about a 4:1 ratio. As you can see, you can write anything, and some people will believe it without any real facts to back it up. But as you said, its pretty pointless to even discuss it. As I doubt we will ever get the real sold numbers from the 7800 series, 7900 series, and X18/900 series.
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