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6th Grader Admits to killing ducks with pencil

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yowolabi

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Originally posted by: Tipsy Turtle
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: thepd7
It is well documented that most serial killers started on animals (torture, random killing, etc).
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It may be documented that serial killers start with animals but is it also documented if normal people never hurt animals? It may be that all humans senselessly hurt animals which makes the linking of it with serial killers void.
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When was the last time you read a biography of a successful person that said:

"When he was 7 years old little Billy Gates liked to run around the neighborhood stomping kittens to death."

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Studies that look into it have found that children harming animals is far more widespread than most would assume. Yet there are almost no serial killers. It's pretty clear that harming animals does not make you a serial killer.

Nobody asks Bill Gates if he harmed animals as a kid. If they did, he wouldn't admit to it anyway. Serial Killers when they are questioned are always asked about their childhood experiences, and after already admitting to killing people, they have no reputation left to protect.

Note: I am not saying that this behavior is okay. I am saying that the people crying "omg serial killer!!" are over-reacting. Also, the kid saying that he didn't know he was doing anything wrong could easily be a lie to try to get out of trouble. If he was really so clueless that he couldn't tell that his classmates and teachers cared about the ducks and wanted them alive, his lack of social abilities should have been noticed by now.
 
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Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: glutenberg
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Then YOU give a description of how to draw the line, and be specific if you dont like my answer.
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I liked your answer and I appreciate all answers outside of the, "if you don't get it, you're stupid." I, personally, will never be able to draw the line because there isn't a line. The line shifts with cultural norms all the time. Some cultures value a certain group of animals, some other cultures value others. I'm just saying that claiming the kid to be twisted because he took a harmless life is hypocritical because most, if not all, people have taken an animal's life and the guilt involved is based purely on what they have deemed worthy of living or not worthy of living.
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that may be, but most don't do it with a ****** pencil and NOT when they are in 6th grade, and i would venture to guess that most people who did it, did it for food and not just for the hell of it.
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I'd bet there's a large sum of elementary school kids who have messed around with magnifying glasses and live animals (generally ants). At least within my elementary school, you would see it all the time. But of course, that just leads back to the argument of whether an insect is worthy of protection and we've exhausted that argument. Also, if anything, I think during elementary and junior high school, kids are probably the most prone to experimenting with life and generally grow out of it or grow more respect for animals as they go along.
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I agree with this and would add that many of the kids that do that stuff are acting out subconsciously with cruelty like that due to family or peer abuse be it mental or physical. Yep, most people grow out of it and those that don't...
 
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Originally posted by: Luthien
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: jdoggg12


Then YOU give a description of how to draw the line, and be specific if you dont like my answer.
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I liked your answer and I appreciate all answers outside of the, "if you don't get it, you're stupid." I, personally, will never be able to draw the line because there isn't a line. The line shifts with cultural norms all the time. Some cultures value a certain group of animals, some other cultures value others. I'm just saying that claiming the kid to be twisted because he took a harmless life is hypocritical because most, if not all, people have taken an animal's life and the guilt involved is based purely on what they have deemed worthy of living or not worthy of living.
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that may be, but most don't do it with a ****** pencil and NOT when they are in 6th grade, and i would venture to guess that most people who did it, did it for food and not just for the hell of it.
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I'd bet there's a large sum of elementary school kids who have messed around with magnifying glasses and live animals (generally ants). At least within my elementary school, you would see it all the time. But of course, that just leads back to the argument of whether an insect is worthy of protection and we've exhausted that argument. Also, if anything, I think during elementary and junior high school, kids are probably the most prone to experimenting with life and generally grow out of it or grow more respect for animals as they go along.
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I agree with this and would add that many of the kids that do that stuff are acting out subconsciously with cruelty like that due to family or peer abuse be it mental or physical. Yep, most people grow out of it and those that don't...
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Those that don't hire glutenberg as their attorney.

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Originally posted by: thepd7
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Killing a couple ducks makes you a potential serial killer?

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Uncalled for? Absolutely. Worthy of punishment? Probably. Anything more than some stupid kid doing something to piss off a bunch of other stupid kids? Highly unlikely.

Viper GTS
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It is well documented that most serial killers started on animals (torture, random killing, etc).
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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
We need tighter pencil control laws. :(
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All pencils should be REGISTERED, and owners must obtain Concealed Carry Licenses where applicable.
 
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Originally posted by: Luthien
The natzi's made lamp shades out of jew skin but it was okay...
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And you lose the argument. Good job. Well, I guess you invoked the "natzi's"...which aren't the Nazis, but some sort of property...owned by a group called "natzi"..so you may get a pass.
 
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J3S73R

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
I have no problem with him killing ducks. They're annoying and they poop a lot.. you know this if you own land with a pond that ducks frequent. Stab them all.

Why was he suspended? I never saw the rule in my middle school handbook about stabbing animals with classroom writing utensils.
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I do believe they have rules against acts of violence since the pencil was turned into a weapon though :p

oh and... no one said he will be a serial killer... but asking if and saying potentially... I think unless its repeated, oops?

He didnt see why its bad? Kids steal and dont see why its bad do they not? They just need ot be taught it wasnt the right thing to do etc... kids mess up a lot while getting older... we did play w/ fire a lot when I was a kid... oops! (still do, but now you do it controlled... FF ftw!)
 
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Originally posted by: sierrita
Those that don't hire glutenberg as their attorney.

;)
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Lol. I already admitted I'm playing devil's advocate. This thread needed some spice instead of just pages after pages of claims that he's going to be a serial killer and how terrible he is, which, of course, will lead to some bashing of his parents and then talk about sterilization. ATOT would then move forward to discussion about how some parents shouldn't be parents and boom, the forum would explode.
 
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Then yes, it is a sentient being because it doesn't rely on reflex actions to survive. It will use it's self awareness to avoid suffering. Unlike dem cocka-roaches.
 
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The nazi's took jewish twins (young children) away from parents and attempted to switch their genders with surgery of course killing them but it was okay...
 
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I think that the issue is relative, but doesn't have anything to do with valuing one animal's life over another. Yes, stabbing a duck and her ducklings to death displays an enormous lack of empathy which killing insects does not. This isn't because ducks are cuter, it's because like other have pointed out there is more in the experience of it to empathize with. The duck would be squawking, fighting, trying to get away, all while bleeding profusely all over the stabber. Is that not similar to what the experience of doing that to a human would be? At least more similar than the experience of squishing or burning an ant? And then he repeated the exercise two more times, for enjoyment.

Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck. Are they still that upset over the spotted owl that they're blind to common sense?
 
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glutenberg

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
I think that the issue is relative, but doesn't have anything to do with valuing one animal's life over another. Yes, stabbing a duck and her ducklings to death displays an enormous lack of empathy which killing insects does not. This isn't because ducks are cuter, it's because like other have pointed out there is more in the experience of it to empathize with. The duck would be squawking, fighting, trying to get away, all while bleeding profusely all over the stabber. Is that not similar to what the experience of doing that to a human would be? At least more similar than the experience of squishing or burning an ant? And then he repeated the exercise two more times, for enjoyment.

Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck. Are they still that upset over the spotted owl that they're blind to common sense?
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That's why I brought up the big versus small argument. It's not like an insect doesn't want to get away, it's just that you're so massive compared to it, it can't.
 
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck.
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Why? Because it's cuter? People eat duck. People eat ants. People keep ducks as pets. People keep ants as pets. Is it okay to run out and jump on an ant hill because they're smaller?
 
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Originally posted by: Luthien
The nazi's took jewish twins (young children) away from parents and attempted to switch their genders with surgery of course killing them but it was okay...
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the Nazi's what? You realize that to pluralize a word, you don't add an apostrophe. Also, I reiterate, you automatically lose when you invoke the Nazis in an internet debate.

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
I think that the issue is relative, but doesn't have anything to do with valuing one animal's life over another. Yes, stabbing a duck and her ducklings to death displays an enormous lack of empathy which killing insects does not. This isn't because ducks are cuter, it's because like other have pointed out there is more in the experience of it to empathize with. The duck would be squawking, fighting, trying to get away, all while bleeding profusely all over the stabber. Is that not similar to what the experience of doing that to a human would be? At least more similar than the experience of squishing or burning an ant? And then he repeated the exercise two more times, for enjoyment.

Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck. Are they still that upset over the spotted owl that they're blind to common sense?
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Amazingly well said. You actually articulated what everyone else was trying to say.
 
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J3S73R

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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
I think that the issue is relative, but doesn't have anything to do with valuing one animal's life over another. Yes, stabbing a duck and her ducklings to death displays an enormous lack of empathy which killing insects does not. This isn't because ducks are cuter, it's because like other have pointed out there is more in the experience of it to empathize with. The duck would be squawking, fighting, trying to get away, all while bleeding profusely all over the stabber. Is that not similar to what the experience of doing that to a human would be? At least more similar than the experience of squishing or burning an ant? And then he repeated the exercise two more times, for enjoyment.

Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck. Are they still that upset over the spotted owl that they're blind to common sense?
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Now that you mention it... how the hell does no one notice? as you said...
The duck would be squawking, fighting, trying to get away, all while bleeding profusely all over the stabber.
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