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Luthien

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Feb 1, 2004
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In every organization, those in power make the rules and they structure those rules to preserve their power. Abnormal can become normal and vice versa overnight.

Are they sure it was his pencil he poked the ducks with... lol.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: Luthien
In every organization, those in power make the rules and they structure those rules to preserve their power. Abnormal can become normal and vice versa overnight.

Are they sure it was his pencil he poked the ducks with... lol.

Duckjob?
 
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Wow there are a lot of d-bags in this thread. The kid is fvcked up for doing that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a d-bag.
 

m1ldslide1

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Feb 20, 2006
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck.

Why? Because it's cuter? People eat duck. People eat ants. People keep ducks as pets. People keep ants as pets. Is it okay to run out and jump on an ant hill because they're smaller?

Um, that's sort of what I'm saying, but not really. You should get over the cute thing and the people eat duck thing - it has nothing to do with what I was saying. Honestly I'm not sure that I could explain it to you if you find it that confusing. I'm just suggesting you temporarily put on hold your desire to keep arguing your point, and ask yourself how it would make you feel to do each, and apply that to the situation. Really imagine in gory detail what it would be like to do one or the other, then tell me that there's no difference between torturing and killing an ant and a duck.

If you still don't see any difference whatsoever, then maybe this kid isn't that unusual. :disgust:
 

Spook

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Anyone else see this as a really slow news day item on CNN? I mean... REALLLY slow

right there with "Artist creates 'emotional maps' of cities "

and

"Cat too scary for Canadian mail carriers"

All 3 being front page CNN.com news items

i think its national slow news day.....


I don't know, isn't there a war going on or something?
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: jdoggg12
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Killing a couple ducks makes you a potential serial killer?

:roll:

Uncalled for? Absolutely. Worthy of punishment? Probably. Anything more than some stupid kid doing something to piss off a bunch of other stupid kids? Highly unlikely.

Viper GTS

Every kid that i knew growing up that took pleasure in mutilating animals has grown to be a felon or has violent tendencies

I had the same experiences...I am 36 as of monday :)

You can defend it all you want, but when someone kills a higher level animal they have issues. And yes it may be their parents.


 

exdeath

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Jan 29, 2004
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I used to pull wings off of cicadas, poke their eyes out or cut their legs off and see how they coped with it, burned their faces off with magnifying glasses and release them flying back into the wild, and stuff like that, for hours on end as a little boy. I smashed some kind of duck/geese/chicken eggs right in their nests and thought it was funny how the eggs 'parents' reared away hissing and helpless not daring to even try to defend their nests... [omfg I was a wicked kid...] but this was some place where they were destined to be food anyway so I mostly got scolded for wasting food as if they were a dozen eggs from the super market. I pulled worms in half while they were alive and got excited when they squirmed on the hook. I cut heads and gutted fish and poked at the still moving eyes of fish heads freshly cut from their bodies while their heads were gasping for breath. One time in my early teen years I even took sick pleasure in cutting a lizard in half instantly with a pair of sheers as I saw it run out of the bush I was trimming and continue running for a few feet with half its body and rear legs missing, as it's entrails leaked out behind it before it came to a stop. I felt bad about that one later though. I don't know wtf that one was all about. I can't honestly understand or explain why I did those things myself. I took neither pain or pleasure in it, it was complete indifference.

I didn't turn into a psychopath. Instead, I grew up.

All by myself, without shrinks and without psyche drugs, because as I grew older the concept of "do to others the same that you expect from them" started to sink in and I stopped doing things that I didn't feel good about when they were done to me.

Even then I would have never done anything to any kind of red blood bleeding warm blooded endoskeletal animal like a duck or a cat unless it was for some function of nature like eating.

But now I purposely avoid harming even spiders or anything really. It's just unnecessary. There are only four things I will kill without thinking twice in my house: black widows, brown recluses, scorpions, and those of my own biped upright species that wish me harm. I go out of my way to catch and release solpugids (awesome cute little critters that totally have my admiration and respect) and wolf spiders around the house if they appear to be starving to places outside loaded with shade, vegetation, and insects. And I was overjoyed and intrigued when a long time resident wolf spider missing two legs the first time I discovered him, which earned him the name Gimpy, molted and grew his legs back. I didn't realize spiders did that, it was pretty neat and I was happy for him.

I have no desire to hunt things like dear either, despite my gun enthusiasm. There is meat in the market I can buy that is much cheaper and more convenient, even though I'm told it doesn't taste as good. But I have no issue hunting if I had to.

I feel less compelled to go out of my way protecting obnoxious or threatening human life though. I'd get a tag to go hunting in a place like Somalia or Iraq, or some free for all island prison full of rapists and child molesters and people like Cho honestly. There is no sport in it if your prey doesn't have the means to fight back. Then when I was done, I would put that mind set away and return to a proper societal mindset and blend back in.

But baby ducks? Damn. Thats just cold. I'd draw the line at killing anything that bleeds red and has an endoskeleton and vertebrae if it isn't for some useful non wasteful purpose like hunting, or pest reduction. I wouldn't jump to conclusions and put a straight jacket on him and call him a serial killer, but distant observation would be appropriate.

On the other hand, some people have their kids participate in prairie dog and misc. rodent pest hunting, just for target practice, laughing and having a blast with it as action at a distance causes a burst of blood and entrails into the air. But none of them become psychopathic murderers either.
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: exdeath
I used to pull wings off of cicadas, poke their eyes out or cut their legs off and see how they coped with it, burned their faces off with magnifying glasses and release them flying back into the wild, and stuff like that, for hours on end as a little boy. I smashed some kind of duck/geese/chicken eggs right in their nests and thought it was funny how the eggs 'parents' reared away hissing and helpless not daring to even try to defend their nests... [omfg I was a wicked kid...] but this was some place where they were destined to be food anyway so I mostly got scolded for wasting food as if they were a dozen eggs from the super market. I pulled worms in half while they were alive and got excited when they squirmed on the hook. I cut heads and gutted fish and poked at the still moving eyes of fish heads freshly cut from their bodies while their heads were gasping for breath. One time in my early teen years I even took sick pleasure in cutting a lizard in half instantly with a pair of sheers as I saw it run out of the bush I was trimming and continue running for a few feet with half its body and rear legs missing, as it's entrails leaked out behind it before it came to a stop. I felt bad about that one later though. I don't know wtf that one was all about. I can't honestly understand or explain why I did those things myself. I took neither pain or pleasure in it, it was complete indifference.

I didn't turn into a psychopath. Instead, I grew up.

All by myself, without shrinks and without psyche drugs, because as I grew older the concept of "do to others the same that you expect from them" started to sink in and I stopped doing things that I didn't feel good about when they were done to me.

Even then I would have never done anything to any kind of red blood bleeding warm blooded endoskeletal animal like a duck or a cat unless it was for some function of nature like eating.

But now I purposely avoid harming even spiders or anything really. It's just unnecessary. There are only four things I will kill without thinking twice in my house: black widows, brown recluses, scorpions, and those of my own biped upright species that wish me harm. I go out of my way to catch and release solpugids (awesome cute little critters that totally have my admiration and respect) and wolf spiders around the house if they appear to be starving to places outside loaded with shade, vegetation, and insects. And I was overjoyed and intrigued when a long time resident wolf spider missing two legs the first time I discovered him, which earned him the name Gimpy, molted and grew his legs back. I didn't realize spiders did that, it was pretty neat and I was happy for him.

I have no desire to hunt things like dear either, despite my gun enthusiasm. There is meat in the market I can buy that is much cheaper and more convenient, even though I'm told it doesn't taste as good. But I have no issue hunting if I had to.

I feel less compelled to go out of my way protecting obnoxious or threatening human life though. I'd get a tag to go hunting in a place like Somalia or Iraq, or some free for all island prison full of rapists and child molesters and people like Cho honestly. There is no sport in it if your prey doesn't have the means to fight back. Then when I was done, I would put that mind set away and return to a proper societal mindset and blend back in.

But baby ducks? Damn. Thats just cold. I'd draw the line at killing anything that bleeds red and has an endoskeleton and vertebrae if it isn't for some useful non wasteful purpose like hunting, or pest reduction. I wouldn't jump to conclusions and put a straight jacket on him and call him a serial killer, but distant observation would be appropriate.

On the other hand, some people have their kids participate in prairie dog and misc. rodent pest hunting, just for target practice, laughing and having a blast with it as action at a distance causes a burst of blood and entrails into the air. But none of them become psychopathic murderers either.

most of your post is pretty insane.
 

Fingolfin269

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Feb 28, 2003
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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Wow there are a lot of d-bags in this thread. The kid is fvcked up for doing that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a d-bag.

The simplicity of this statement made me laugh (in a good way). Thanks man. :)
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
Nov 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
Even the folks playing devils advocate (or the one or two that might just be insane) know that it would feel different torturing an ant than it would be to torture a duck.

Why? Because it's cuter? People eat duck. People eat ants. People keep ducks as pets. People keep ants as pets. Is it okay to run out and jump on an ant hill because they're smaller?

Um, that's sort of what I'm saying, but not really. You should get over the cute thing and the people eat duck thing - it has nothing to do with what I was saying. Honestly I'm not sure that I could explain it to you if you find it that confusing. I'm just suggesting you temporarily put on hold your desire to keep arguing your point, and ask yourself how it would make you feel to do each, and apply that to the situation. Really imagine in gory detail what it would be like to do one or the other, then tell me that there's no difference between torturing and killing an ant and a duck.

If you still don't see any difference whatsoever, then maybe this kid isn't that unusual. :disgust:

All I'm asking is why there is such a difference between killing a duck and an ant. Yes, I know it would feel different killing the two. I want you to answer why.
 

Praxis1452

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Jan 31, 2006
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Originally posted by: exdeath
I used to pull wings off of cicadas, poke their eyes out or cut their legs off and see how they coped with it, burned their faces off with magnifying glasses and release them flying back into the wild, and stuff like that, for hours on end as a little boy. I smashed some kind of duck/geese/chicken eggs right in their nests and thought it was funny how the eggs 'parents' reared away hissing and helpless not daring to even try to defend their nests... [omfg I was a wicked kid...] but this was some place where they were destined to be food anyway so I mostly got scolded for wasting food as if they were a dozen eggs from the super market. I pulled worms in half while they were alive and got excited when they squirmed on the hook. I cut heads and gutted fish and poked at the still moving eyes of fish heads freshly cut from their bodies while their heads were gasping for breath. One time in my early teen years I even took sick pleasure in cutting a lizard in half instantly with a pair of sheers as I saw it run out of the bush I was trimming and continue running for a few feet with half its body and rear legs missing, as it's entrails leaked out behind it before it came to a stop. I felt bad about that one later though. I don't know wtf that one was all about. I can't honestly understand or explain why I did those things myself. I took neither pain or pleasure in it, it was complete indifference.

I didn't turn into a psychopath. Instead, I grew up.

All by myself, without shrinks and without psyche drugs, because as I grew older the concept of "do to others the same that you expect from them" started to sink in and I stopped doing things that I didn't feel good about when they were done to me.

Even then I would have never done anything to any kind of red blood bleeding warm blooded endoskeletal animal like a duck or a cat unless it was for some function of nature like eating.

But now I purposely avoid harming even spiders or anything really. It's just unnecessary. There are only four things I will kill without thinking twice in my house: black widows, brown recluses, scorpions, and those of my own biped upright species that wish me harm. I go out of my way to catch and release solpugids (awesome cute little critters that totally have my admiration and respect) and wolf spiders around the house if they appear to be starving to places outside loaded with shade, vegetation, and insects. And I was overjoyed and intrigued when a long time resident wolf spider missing two legs the first time I discovered him, which earned him the name Gimpy, molted and grew his legs back. I didn't realize spiders did that, it was pretty neat and I was happy for him.

I have no desire to hunt things like dear either, despite my gun enthusiasm. There is meat in the market I can buy that is much cheaper and more convenient, even though I'm told it doesn't taste as good. But I have no issue hunting if I had to.

I feel less compelled to go out of my way protecting obnoxious or threatening human life though. I'd get a tag to go hunting in a place like Somalia or Iraq, or some free for all island prison full of rapists and child molesters and people like Cho honestly. There is no sport in it if your prey doesn't have the means to fight back. Then when I was done, I would put that mind set away and return to a proper societal mindset and blend back in.

But baby ducks? Damn. Thats just cold. I'd draw the line at killing anything that bleeds red and has an endoskeleton and vertebrae if it isn't for some useful non wasteful purpose like hunting, or pest reduction. I wouldn't jump to conclusions and put a straight jacket on him and call him a serial killer, but distant observation would be appropriate.

On the other hand, some people have their kids participate in prairie dog and misc. rodent pest hunting, just for target practice, laughing and having a blast with it as action at a distance causes a burst of blood and entrails into the air. But none of them become psychopathic murderers either.

wow... the thought of what you've said is pretty nasty overall. Your name also happens to be exdeath heh.

my friends used to run over caterpillars with their bikes but I actually felt bad when I did it.... Hell I sometimes go out of my way to take a worm and put it back into the soil off the concrete and release ants in the house even though I knew that it had a 0% chance of survival.
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
wow... the thought of what you've said is pretty nasty overall. Your name also happens to be exdeath heh.

my friends used to run over caterpillars with their bikes but I actually felt bad when I did it.... Hell I sometimes go out of my way to take a worm and put it back into the soil off the concrete and release ants in the house even though I knew that it had a 0% chance of survival.

Yeah, I did some messed up things as a little boy. Live and learn.

The time I 'got online' coincided with my learning of Japanese and playing Final Fantasy V for the very first time on the SNES. The antagonist who's name is "Exdeath", a contraction of "Exceeding Death".

I just thought it was clever and when I would register for forums or something for the first time in my life, thats what I used.

And so it stuck as my online handle to this day. It was unique at the time, but now it's all over the place.
 

exdeath

Lifer
Jan 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
most of your post is pretty insane.

If you said the thought of someone like me losing what was left of his humanity was a scary thought, I'd agree. I wouldn't want to imagine someone like me running amok in society without my capability of self analysis and self inhibition or respect and understanding of private property rights and the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I'm very well capable of being a psychopath, but I chose not to because it isn't right, particularly in a society of law and order. Don't try to understand or question it, just be happy I'm on the 'good guys' side :D
Because it is invaluable that I am capable of discarding and re-invoking that humanity at will when it is necessary to engage in violence as a last resort for the preservation of innocent life.

I see people walking around as a brain, a spinal cord, a heart, and lungs, all walking around in a meat sac. But that meat sack has just as much right to exist and go about it's business as this meat sack that I call 'me' does :laugh:
 

b0mbrman

Lifer
Jun 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Probably exercising millions of years of hunting/survival evolution embedded in his DNA.


There is a difference between that and killing a duck with a pencil and not even knowing why it was wrong. Most poeple do these things knowing that it is not okay to randomly kill animals with a pencil. That is not hunting.

Why not?

Ducks are delicious...
 

alkemyst

No Lifer
Feb 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Probably exercising millions of years of hunting/survival evolution embedded in his DNA.


There is a difference between that and killing a duck with a pencil and not even knowing why it was wrong. Most poeple do these things knowing that it is not okay to randomly kill animals with a pencil. That is not hunting.

Why not?

Ducks are delicious...

Should we go over this a little more s l o w l y for you?
 

Megatomic

Lifer
Nov 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Wow there are a lot of d-bags in this thread. The kid is fvcked up for doing that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a d-bag.
True. If it were my son I'd have his ass at the psychiatric institute PRONTO.
 

Agentbolt

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Jul 9, 2004
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All I'm asking is why there is such a difference between killing a duck and an ant

Wow, you're so stupid it's pretty amazing. Ants are invertabrates. They don't feel pain. They don't scream and thrash around and bleed on you, all stuff that would cause a normal, sane person to stop whatever they were doing out of guilt/horror/whatever.
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Originally posted by: exdeath


I'm very well capable of being a psychopath, but I chose not to because it isn't right, particularly in a society of law and order.


That's not possible.

You cannot choose it, it is what you are...you can only attempt to conceal it, and psychopaths are particularly skilled at just such deceptions.