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I'll just point out what should be obvious...downloading Microsoft patches from a site that is not owned by Microsoft is a really dumb idea.
 
Originally posted by: fyleow
I've noticed a dramatic speed increase for files transferred over the network but between local drives or partitions is either a little slower or about the same as XP. Someone said it might be due to Vista trying to create thumbnails while transferring so I guess it doesn't affect me since my video thumbnails are broken 😛

I was just gonna say that (network latency a bit nicer) its definately horribly slow at copying files, I just ripped 3.23GB of sounds into my new "Vista" FLS User folder and it was horrible- I mean UnDa'-Da'-BridGe-GoBlIn-FrOm-HaDeS speed!! - It was disgusting, it took somewhere between five to ten minutes copying the 30,549 files.. I'm afriad the similar action was exponentially quicker under XP.. /:|

Originally posted by: Robor

Buy a retail copy of XP and you can install it wherever you want. 🙂

Or get lucky and cheat/ break the law so you dont have to argue your "license validity" with the annoying MS tele-activation people no more.. That + NLite to rid yourself of the RAID floppies = best scenario!

Originally posted by: stash
I'll just point out what should be obvious...downloading Microsoft patches from a site that is not owned by Microsoft is a really dumb idea.

Hate to smudge yo' Puma's there but i'd like to point out that I (and many others) in fact trust WindizUpdate even more than Microsoft's official service as they provide further protection taking the measures to filter even MS's own occasional bad patches (WGA anyone?) from your machines..
 
Originally posted by: ZipLocc
Originally posted by: fyleow
I've noticed a dramatic speed increase for files transferred over the network but between local drives or partitions is either a little slower or about the same as XP. Someone said it might be due to Vista trying to create thumbnails while transferring so I guess it doesn't affect me since my video thumbnails are broken 😛

I was just gonna say that (network latency a bit nicer) its definately horribly slow at copying files, I just ripped 3.23GB of sounds into my new "Vista" FLS User folder and it was horrible- I mean UnDa'-Da'-BridGe-GoBlIn-FrOm-HaDeS speed!! - It was disgusting, it took somewhere between five to ten minutes copying the 30,549 files.. I'm afriad the similar action was exponentially quicker under XP.. /:|

Originally posted by: Robor

Buy a retail copy of XP and you can install it wherever you want. 🙂

Or get lucky and find corp so you dont have to argue your "license validity" with the annoying MS tele-activation people no more.. That + NLite to rid yourself of the RAID floppies = best scenario!

Originally posted by: stash
I'll just point out what should be obvious...downloading Microsoft patches from a site that is not owned by Microsoft is a really dumb idea.

Hate to smudge yo' Puma's there but i'd like to point out that I (and many others) in fact trust WindizUpdate even more than Microsoft's official service as they provide further protection taking the measures to filter even MS's own occasional bad patches (WGA anyone?) from your machines..

/golf clap

wonderful first post. Lets see what you hit here...

Piracy...just because you once bought a Dell with an OEM license does not mean you can pirate corp copy so that you can move that license and install willy nilly all over. Unless you have an active, volume license agreement in place with microsoft, and you don't violate the actual number you purchase, you are pirating.

Non MS official updates: Sure, you may think you trust them more, but I doubt they have the security on their servers that MS provides, and who is to say they aren't modifying the patches to slip root kits into those? Unless you can get a checksum from the official MS version, and use that to verify the Windizzleimsocool version, then there is NO WAY TO KNOW.

best of luck here, bud
 
I copied 16Gb of music from my mp3 player to vista after I installed it on my old IDE drive. It was pretty quick, didn't seem any longer than when I did it in XP, so I assume I wasn't having this problem. As with most problems you don't hear from the people who aren't having it usually, so it makes it seem more widespread than it really is.
 
Originally posted by: nweaver

/golf clap

wonderful first post. Lets see what you hit here...

Piracy...just because you once bought a Dell with an OEM license does not mean you can pirate corp copy so that you can move that license and install willy nilly all over. Unless you have an active, volume license agreement in place with microsoft, and you don't violate the actual number you purchase, you are pirating.

Non MS official updates: Sure, you may think you trust them more, but I doubt they have the security on their servers that MS provides, and who is to say they aren't modifying the patches to slip root kits into those? Unless you can get a checksum from the official MS version, and use that to verify the Windizzleimsocool version, then there is NO WAY TO KNOW.

best of luck here, bud

I love your spirits (thanks for the luck).. I don't however imply or condone pirating upfront as a means to obtain such taboo goods, as they say a man will *take what he wants and in this case (dunno if using NLITE to hasten such an OS installation process for say a professional server application would violate terms) i'll leave that up to MS and my boss. 😉 Oh and on the issue of pirating i've experience firsthand Microsoft violating themselves by not stopping me when my Dell 875 mobo smoked a few years back and trying to spare myself unneccessary time and cost, installed my Dell OEM to a home build - I gave them my full story and they went right on ahead and gave me my activation key - probably just being nice anyway but still you have a good point here, laws are laws (its just no-wonder that somewhere around 98% of todays crimes are cyber-infringement oriented) :roll:

Originally posted by: loup garou
LOL, that guy's gonna last a while. :laugh:

Hmm I don't recall ever running out on a particular forum i've frequented, however I haven't really delved in the tech forums for awhile (though i've been a member of Pimp Rig [now PC Apex] for a good 3 years.. Making about one post a day) I couldn't help but notice your rather amazing post count and invested time at roughly half a post per hour!! -Besides stash here I don't recall many that have lasted so long indeed as you, congrats and heres to the next 30K! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: stash
Smudge yo' Pumas...Kids will say the darndest things.

It was a comment from Chris Rock's "No Sex In The Champagne Room" - pretty classic comedy/song, - I (well while yes, still basically a kid - which i'd consider everyone till about 25) hope i'm always one at heart. 🙂

Originally posted by: VashHT
I copied 16Gb of music from my mp3 player to vista after I installed it on my old IDE drive. It was pretty quick, didn't seem any longer than when I did it in XP, so I assume I wasn't having this problem. As with most problems you don't hear from the people who aren't having it usually, so it makes it seem more widespread than it really is.

I'd doubt the speed issue is as (if) apparent on devices that route through the rather narrow band of a USB cable (capped by its bus between 10Mbps [Fullspeed] & 480Mbps [Hi-Speed] dependant on the machine/hub).. Also theres worth mentioning the fact when copying files processor usage shoots pretty high and that (in my case) even w/ dual cores it hovers around 50% w/ 10 SeaMonkey windows 60+ processes & 1.2 gigs of ram swallowed whole (just dragging the task manager window across the screen brings 80 - 90% use)!.. One things for sure - it's gonna be real interesting seeing how smooth S.T.A.L.K.E.R runs. :laugh:

Originally posted by: nweaver
Using NLITE is fine, it's an easy way to do documented stuff (slipstreamed/unattended installs). I used to slipstream drivers old school. It's "getting corp edition" that is illegal.


MS may have granted a new key, but that was by their good graces, they didn't have to...

if you drive by a cop doing 5 MPH over the limit, and he doesn't stop you, does that mean it's open season for speeding?

Thanks again for the reminder to not imply that people "get" something they most definately aren't allowed to have outside of the workplace.. 😱
Consider my next edit done.
 
Using NLITE is fine, it's an easy way to do documented stuff (slipstreamed/unattended installs). I used to slipstream drivers old school. It's "getting corp edition" that is illegal.


MS may have granted a new key, but that was by their good graces, they didn't have to...

if you drive by a cop doing 5 MPH over the limit, and he doesn't stop you, does that mean it's open season for speeding?
 
Originally posted by: stash
I'll just point out what should be obvious...downloading Microsoft patches from a site that is not owned by Microsoft is a really dumb idea.

Are you implying that the Microsoft digital signatures are worthless?
 
More Vista suckage.

Just went through round of Tornadic weather here so normally keep the composite looping radar page up from the National Weather Service.

Downloaded the Vista version of Java like the site wanted and the Java cup just sits there, never brings in the data.

Every time touch the computer find that Vista is more junk.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
More Vista suckage.

Just went through round of Tornadic weather here so normally keep the composite looping radar page up from the National Weather Service.

Downloaded the Vista version of Java like the site wanted and the Java cup just sits there, never brings in the data.

Every time touch the computer find that Vista is more junk.

Java, on the other hand, is flawless.
 
Originally posted by: Aluvus
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
More Vista suckage.

Just went through round of Tornadic weather here so normally keep the composite looping radar page up from the National Weather Service.

Downloaded the Vista version of Java like the site wanted and the Java cup just sits there, never brings in the data.

Every time touch the computer find that Vista is more junk.

Java, on the other hand, is flawless.
LOL
 
What does Vista work with???

3-31-2007 Vista Failing "Blackboard" College Courses

"Although Blackboard is used to communicate between students and professors at virtually all of PC Magazine/Princeton Review's top 20 wired colleges, when run under a Vista environment users can see glitches.

Moreover, IT departments told PC Mag that if Blackboard is used with Vista plus IE7, students can't communicate via the software.

When asked why, Microsoft ... waffled.

Blackboard says they'll have a fix in place by summer.

Meanwhile, are there any other common college apps that Vista fails to work with?"
 
Latest thing found to not work 4-1-07

My wife went to play a music CD (Spa music) and she likes the wild graphics screen media player puts up.

Well her laptop has Vista and as soon as the video tries to come up after the music is already playing the machine goes into re-boot.

It can't display simple graphics, unbelievable.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Latest thing found to not work 4-1-07

My wife went to play a music CD (Spa music) and she likes the wild graphics screen media player puts up.

Well her laptop has Vista and as soon as the video tries to come up after the music is already playing the machine goes into re-boot.

It can't display simple graphics, unbelievable.
Seems to be working on mine. If you haven't checked for driver updates yet, that might be worth a shot.

Moreover, IT departments told PC Mag that if Blackboard is used with Vista plus IE7, students can't communicate via the software.

When asked why, Microsoft ... waffled.

Blackboard says they'll have a fix in place by summer.
Why is it Microsoft's responsibility to fix (or explain) the problems in someone else's software? 😕 Although it's likely that Microsoft will make a fix regardless, just like they did for a bunch of other third-party software ranging from Opera to Limewire to Photoshop 7, HDTune and SpeedFan. Patience, grasshoppah 😉

And why did the IT departments not do some... oh, I don't know, maybe TESTING prior to deployment? Call me crazy...

Big picture: I don't mind if backwards compatibility suffers somewhat in the name of progress. I particularly don't mind seeing stupidly-designed software break when deprived of Admin powers. Let it be a wake-up call to software companies to get their dasm act together. Intuit, are you listening...? :evil:
 
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Latest thing found to not work 4-1-07

My wife went to play a music CD (Spa music) and she likes the wild graphics screen media player puts up.

Well her laptop has Vista and as soon as the video tries to come up after the music is already playing the machine goes into re-boot.

It can't display simple graphics, unbelievable.
Seems to be working on mine. If you haven't checked for driver updates yet, that might be worth a shot.

Moreover, IT departments told PC Mag that if Blackboard is used with Vista plus IE7, students can't communicate via the software.

When asked why, Microsoft ... waffled.

Blackboard says they'll have a fix in place by summer.
Why is it Microsoft's responsibility to fix (or explain) the problems in someone else's software? 😕 Although it's likely that Microsoft will make a fix regardless, just like they did for a bunch of other third-party software ranging from Opera to Limewire to Photoshop 7, HDTune and SpeedFan. Patience, grasshoppah 😉

And why did the IT departments not do some... oh, I don't know, maybe TESTING prior to deployment? Call me crazy...

Big picture: I don't mind if backwards compatibility suffers somewhat in the name of progress. I particularly don't mind seeing stupidly-designed software break when deprived of Admin powers. Let it be a wake-up call to software companies to get their dasm act together. Intuit, are you listening...? :evil:

Hi Tom, on the big picture, how is a Vista a step forward?

What is supposed to be such an improvement when so many things seem to be slower and don't work correctly?

So far to me it seems like going from Windows 98 to Windows 3.1 with winsock.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
So far to me it seems like going from Windows 98 to Windows 3.1 with winsock.

ROFL. :laugh:

Vista is a monumental improvement over XP. Not sure why you're having so many issues. I haven't experienced any issues with a handful of rigs, mostly x64 to boot.

Just out of curiousity, what hardware are you using? For example the laptop.
 
Thanks to the MAFIAA and their mindless pursuit of "unbreakable" DRM, the signed driver requirement of Vista x64 has made using my color management system (with its unsigned drivers) somewhat troublesome, because I have to reboot and disable the signed driver check every time I need to calibrate anything. However, on the whole, my system performs better due to the more intelligent caching, and I haven't had any other problems of which to speak.
 
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
So far to me it seems like going from Windows 98 to Windows 3.1 with winsock.

ROFL. :laugh:

Vista is a monumental improvement over XP. Not sure why you're having so many issues. I haven't experienced any issues with a handful of rigs, mostly x64 to boot.

Just out of curiousity, what hardware are you using? For example the laptop.

It's an improvement over XP.....Unless your a gamer. Then vista is a huge pile of stinking dog crap. Audio quality in vista is garbage compared to XP, as well as performance. There are tons of little niggling issues in vista that just make it not worth it until the first SP is out. There's no reason to run vista on games right now and any gamer that does so is probably not much of a gamer in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Hi Tom, on the big picture, how is a Vista a step forward?

What is supposed to be such an improvement when so many things seem to be slower and don't work correctly?

So far to me it seems like going from Windows 98 to Windows 3.1 with winsock.

Wait, are you implying that blackboard actually works correctly under any situation?
 
Originally posted by: Swampthing
It's an improvement over XP.....Unless your a gamer. Then vista is a huge pile of stinking dog crap. Audio quality in vista is garbage compared to XP, as well as performance. There are tons of little niggling issues in vista that just make it not worth it until the first SP is out. There's no reason to run vista on games right now and any gamer that does so is probably not much of a gamer in the first place.

That's true. Gaming performance isn't yet up to snuff; However, I attribute that to driver issues and growing pains with the new LDDM architecture. It will most certainly improve. In fact, I expect Vista to eventually outperform XP across the board in gaming when drivers fully mature.

That said, let us not exaggerate. I score slightly higher in synthetic benchies (3DMark 06, for example) under Vista x64 than XP; Real-world gaming FPS is lower, but not drastically so. I'm talking typically 5 or so FPS which is insignificant these days.

As for audio quality, I'd disagree. Creative has problems, but they always have. Their drivers and support have consistently ranked bottom of the pack for years. My onboard audio (HD audio) is fantastic under Vista (including x64) and all the features work flawlessly, including SPDIF. I personally like Vista's new audio architecture. Removing the audio stack from the kernel and placing it in user space was very smart from a security and reliability standpoint.
 
Hi Tom, on the big picture, how is a Vista a step forward?

What is supposed to be such an improvement when so many things seem to be slower and don't work correctly?
It's a step towards the day when Windows no longer makes people Administrators by default. Although Microsoft stopped short of that goal with Vista, still if you log on as an Admin, programs you run don't inherit Admin-level powers that allow exploits to have the run of your computer. With botnets tripling in size in two weeks' time recently, the world in general needs to wave 'bye to Admin-By-Default. IMO.

If you're interested in some of the security improvements that went into Vista, here's a document in .DOC format with some overview: http://download.microsoft.com/download/...1db829637f5/WindowsVistaSecurityWP.doc You can also compare the Critical Updates histories of Vista versus WinXP in the time since Vista has been released, and I think it's rather telling.
 
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