6-4-07 DRAM chipmakers suffer worst quarter since 2001 on lackluster Vista sales

herbiehancock · Apr 2, 2007

You know.........all the griping about Vista doesn't work with this or that.........Vista sux.........and on and on.

Was just reviewing some posts from back in late 2001 through early 2002, just after Win XP released. Odd that I found the exact same complaints about XP then that I'm seeing about Vista now. Seems what was old is new again, esp. in the bitch-and-moan department.

Smilin · Apr 2, 2007

Here it is folks, how to not be taken seriously in just one easy step!!!!

Microsoft should be forced to make XP public domain

Just drop that sucker in at the top and no one will read the rest of your drivel!! Easy as pie!

Sunner · Apr 2, 2007

When the hell did Dave start bringing his junk to OS?
Please stick to P&N, or some other forum, or where ever, just don't come in here.

dmcowen674 · Apr 2, 2007

Originally posted by: Sunner
When the hell did Dave start bringing his junk to OS?
Please stick to P&N, or some other forum, or where ever, just don't come in here.

Since paying $200 for code that doesn't work.

Although the thread at the top says don't use Tweak VI I can't see how the machine could perform worse than it already is, unusable in it's current form.

I'll post on how it does shortly.

stash · Apr 2, 2007

Since paying $200 for code that doesn't work.

Why did you pay $200 for Java?

😉

Sunner · Apr 3, 2007

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sunner
When the hell did Dave start bringing his junk to OS?
Please stick to P&N, or some other forum, or where ever, just don't come in here.

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Since paying $200 for code that doesn't work.

Although the thread at the top says don't use Tweak VI I can't see how the machine could perform worse than it already is, unusable in it's current form.

I'll post on how it does shortly.

If you don't like it, there are perfectly fine alternatives that you can try out for free.
That fruit company apparently sells one as well, if you insist on paying for it.

dmcowen674 · Apr 3, 2007

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sunner
When the hell did Dave start bringing his junk to OS?
Please stick to P&N, or some other forum, or where ever, just don't come in here.

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Since paying $200 for code that doesn't work.

Although the thread at the top says don't use Tweak VI I can't see how the machine could perform worse than it already is, unusable in it's current form.

I'll post on how it does shortly.

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If you don't like it, there are perfectly fine alternatives that you can try out for free.
That fruit company apparently sells one as well, if you insist on paying for it.

Why would Apple have Vista tweaks for free?

Anyway still evaluating the Tweak VI free version.

dmcowen674 · Apr 4, 2007

4-4-2007 Latest MS Update Causing Major Headaches - Some AV apps won't launch, some PCs won't boot...

Users in our Security forum note that the latest critical Microsoft Windows update (KB925902) is causing all kinds of problems. Most notably, it prevents some users from loading anti-virus software, but others say the update prevented them from booting entirely. "So far, we have errors with AVG, Realtec, F-Secure, a false positive of a Trojan, a messed up Vaio, USB problems and Accessories and Utilities all vanishing into thin air," says one security forum regular.

BD2003 · Apr 4, 2007

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What does Vista work with???

3-31-2007 Vista Failing "Blackboard" College Courses

"Although Blackboard is used to communicate between students and professors at virtually all of PC Magazine/Princeton Review's top 20 wired colleges, when run under a Vista environment users can see glitches.

Moreover, IT departments told PC Mag that if Blackboard is used with Vista plus IE7, students can't communicate via the software.

When asked why, Microsoft ... waffled.

Blackboard says they'll have a fix in place by summer.

Meanwhile, are there any other common college apps that Vista fails to work with?"

Blackboard works absolutely fine for me.

BD2003 · Apr 4, 2007

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Sunner
When the hell did Dave start bringing his junk to OS?
Please stick to P&N, or some other forum, or where ever, just don't come in here.

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Since paying $200 for code that doesn't work.

Although the thread at the top says don't use Tweak VI I can't see how the machine could perform worse than it already is, unusable in it's current form.

I'll post on how it does shortly.

Good luck fixing everything tweak VI breaks. If there was something to be gained performance wise by the "tweaks" done by tweak VI, you wouldnt need a special program to accomplish it.

FoBoT · Apr 4, 2007

I :heart: Vista

Smilin · Apr 4, 2007

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
4-4-2007 Latest MS Update Causing Major Headaches - Some AV apps won't launch, some PCs won't boot...

Users in our Security forum note that the latest critical Microsoft Windows update (KB925902) is causing all kinds of problems. Most notably, it prevents some users from loading anti-virus software, but others say the update prevented them from booting entirely. "So far, we have errors with AVG, Realtec, F-Secure, a false positive of a Trojan, a messed up Vaio, USB problems and Accessories and Utilities all vanishing into thin air," says one security forum regular.

This happens every update. People come out of the woodwork saying it caused their mom to get cancer. When people get down to root cause it always turns out to be something other than the update. You going to really tell me that mouse pointer code is causing utilities to vanish into thin air, USB problems??? Give me a break.

The #1 cause of this FUD: People apply MS or 3rd party updates then fail to reboot. A problem sits like a timebomb in the pendingfilerename regkey and then when they pull down an MS update that requires a reboot, BAM! The update gets blamed when really a reboot by itself would have cause the same problem. #2 cause: corruption on the filesystem sitting underneath files required for boot. Apply an update, BAM! The update gets blamed when really a reboot by itself would have caused the same problem.

How do I know this? I used to be on the team that took the failed update calls. We didn't guess (like the monkey's you are quoting), we found ROOT CAUSE. EVERY time. Simply telling a customer to remove a security update was NOT an option. Not fixing the case was NOT an option.

Smilin · Apr 4, 2007

Originally posted by: stash

...But again, this is only my opinion. I haven't seen any statistics or hard evidence that would give a clear indication of the number of support cases that are closed for free versus for pay. I'm just sceptical, knowing what I know about tech support, that they will properly diagnose something as a bug and give you a pass on the payment option.

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I used to work in PSS, so I can speak with some authority on the topic. Every case that is resolved as being the result of a code bug is closed as non-dec (non-decrement, AKA free). There are no exceptions that I'm aware of.

Everyone who works in PSS from the CPR guys in the US all the way to the guys in Bangalore knows this policy. And as far as diagnosing something as a bug, the root cause is either a bug or it isn't. It's usually pretty clear-cut. If the engineer finds a case or an article that says a certain hotfix might fix it, and it does, that's a bug, free case. If nothing is working as far as troubleshooting, the case will get escalated to CPR and eventually someone is going to look at the code. If the problem is as a result of something happening in code, that's a bug, free case. If the engineer gives you a fix that seems to work and that is not releated a code defect, but then the issue returns, you call back and reopen your case.

I'm also in PSS and I'll confirm this. I'll also add that Support is a COST center at Microsoft, not a profit center. Even with paid incidents MS still takes a loss on every support call. This is typical of most software companies too. The only exceptions are Open Source where support is a profit center.

ITJunkie · Apr 4, 2007

Originally posted by: loup garou
Oh god, please restrain your lunacy to P&N.

:laugh:

miniMUNCH · Apr 4, 2007

People who like Vista are a silent majority... we are too busy having fun.

Matt1970 · Apr 5, 2007

I remember a few of the 98 updates that would cause some poblems, but since then I have really only had one instance of an update that caused XP to crash.

Everyone keep in mind we are still writing to an iron-oxide core with a magnet. It doesn't alway work.

Tegeril · Apr 5, 2007

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
People who like Vista are a silent majority... we are too busy having fun.

BD2003 · Apr 5, 2007

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Originally posted by: loup garou
Oh god, please restrain your lunacy to P&N.

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:laugh:

Seriously, any issues you may be having are completely trivialized by the fact that you do indeed come off as a lunatic.

Vista is the first release of windows in almost 5 years. Because of this, there are some really drastic changes underneath the hood that are going to break some programs. But without that, there would be no progress.

Vista has to support tens of thousands, if not millions of software programs. Alongside millions of different hardware configurations. For millions of different users. That is quite a burden to have to deal with.

99.999% of the problems I've had with Vista are driver or application related. This is and always be the case with any OS that changes so much at one time. The actual core of the OS is a fine piece of work, and I've yet to have explorer, or any other OS component fail on me a single time.

Driver and application support for Vista has also grown by leaps and bounds since day one. Some are still lagging (creative, nvidia), but its quite usable now.

Being that you were a system admin, you should know better than anyone that for the first few months, you WILL have problems with a new OS like Vista, and only those who know what theyre doing and can deal with a few issues should adopt it on release.

Sure, its common sense to think "I installed Vista, stuff doesnt work, therefore it's Vista thats the problem", but you SHOULD know better than that.

funkbass81 · Apr 5, 2007

vista increased the cost of oil too right dave?

bwnv · Apr 5, 2007

Personally I don't care for Vista much yet. I did wait about 2 years to get XP, so I'm not much of an early adopter. I think I'll wait until more work has gone into it and more add on's are supported. BTW, how do you get rid of it when you buy a new laptop that installs as soon as you boot? (ie an HP)

Robor · Apr 5, 2007

Originally posted by: ZipLocc

Originally posted by: Robor

Buy a retail copy of XP and you can install it wherever you want. 🙂

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Or get lucky and cheat/ break the law so you dont have to argue your "license validity" with the annoying MS tele-activation people no more.. That + NLite to rid yourself of the RAID floppies = best scenario!

No thanks. I've owned my WinXP Pro license for years and I've installed probably a dozen times or more. Each time I call MS and they activate it for me. Takes maybe 5-7 minutes and I'm done until the next time I install. Not that big of a deal.

By the way, your sig & MySpace page... Oh. My. Gawd. Hate to say it but that made me question ever becoming a parent. Sorry dude.

Robor · Apr 5, 2007

Originally posted by: BD2003
Seriously, any issues you may be having are completely trivialized by the fact that you do indeed come off as a lunatic.

Vista is the first release of windows in almost 5 years. Because of this, there are some really drastic changes underneath the hood that are going to break some programs. But without that, there would be no progress.

Vista has to support tens of thousands, if not millions of software programs. Alongside millions of different hardware configurations. For millions of different users. That is quite a burden to have to deal with.

99.999% of the problems I've had with Vista are driver or application related. This is and always be the case with any OS that changes so much at one time. The actual core of the OS is a fine piece of work, and I've yet to have explorer, or any other OS component fail on me a single time.

Driver and application support for Vista has also grown by leaps and bounds since day one. Some are still lagging (creative, nvidia), but its quite usable now.

Being that you were a system admin, you should know better than anyone that for the first few months, you WILL have problems with a new OS like Vista, and only those who know what theyre doing and can deal with a few issues should adopt it on release.

Sure, its common sense to think "I installed Vista, stuff doesnt work, therefore it's Vista thats the problem", but you SHOULD know better than that.

The truth is nothing Microsoft can do is going to be 'right' because there's always going to be Microsoft haters. There was an argument, err discussion, in another (non-tech) forum I belong to. In it the subject of 'Walmart - good or bad for America?' came up. I'm not a fan of Walmart for a number of reasons I'll not go into here and I stated them. You'd be surprised how many loyal Walmart fans slammed me for being anti-business, anti-capitalism, and even anti-family.

A similar thread came up about Microsoft and it was a very one-sided slant against them. You know, the typical responses... Micro$oft the Evil Empire, Bill Gates the devil, unstable Windows, blah, blah, blah. When confronted on the reasonings 'M$' was so hated nearly every one could be applied to Walmart equally or more. When I asked why they used software created by a company they so feverishly hated the response was typical back pedeling. The ironic thing is I prefer to use Linux and was the lone Microsoft defender in the thread. 😛

dmcowen674 · Apr 5, 2007

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: ITJunkie

Originally posted by: loup garou
Oh god, please restrain your lunacy to P&N.

Click to expand...

:laugh:

Click to expand...

Seriously, any issues you may be having are completely trivialized by the fact that you do indeed come off as a lunatic.

Vista is the first release of windows in almost 5 years. Because of this, there are some really drastic changes underneath the hood that are going to break some programs. But without that, there would be no progress.

Vista has to support tens of thousands, if not millions of software programs. Alongside millions of different hardware configurations. For millions of different users. That is quite a burden to have to deal with.

99.999% of the problems I've had with Vista are driver or application related. This is and always be the case with any OS that changes so much at one time. The actual core of the OS is a fine piece of work, and I've yet to have explorer, or any other OS component fail on me a single time.

Driver and application support for Vista has also grown by leaps and bounds since day one. Some are still lagging (creative, nvidia), but its quite usable now.

Being that you were a system admin, you should know better than anyone that for the first few months, you WILL have problems with a new OS like Vista, and only those who know what theyre doing and can deal with a few issues should adopt it on release.

Sure, its common sense to think "I installed Vista, stuff doesnt work, therefore it's Vista thats the problem", but you SHOULD know better than that.

Yes, in all fairness nice post but look at the issues at hand.

This is a forced product.

You buy a new machine now and the only option is Vista.

What is so seriously wrong with XP that requires it's demise in favor of a product that takes control and choice away from the user?

Tegeril · Apr 5, 2007

Tegeril · Apr 5, 2007

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