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Tegeril

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
All I know is it won't run any of my real estate software (thank god I didn't upgrade my lap top) and it crashes when I try to start up my MS Flight Simulator X

Other than that I like it.

I'm surprised others didn't chime in here that you must be an incompetent PC owner since you can't get that Real Estate software or MS Flight Sim to work.

That's something that Microsoft's own code won't work.

Sounds like Vista is not backwards compatible at all.

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Smilin

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Originally posted by: RebateMonger
Originally posted by: Smilin
I'm confused as ******. You sure you didn't mistype the KBs you mentioned? :confused: :)
What I think happened is:

A new Dell laptop went crazy the morning after the latest Windows Update. That update ATTEMPTED to install KB925902. It never finished and, according to the MS OCA diagnosis, msi.dll was involved.

KB927891 fixed the problem. After the fix, Windows Update was able to successfully install KB925902. I blamed KB92590 because that was the only update that was "installed" that night.

I was doing all this at 2 am for a client, so I didn't have time to fully investigate what was happening. All I really knew for sure was that after the "emergency" ANI update, the PC was running at 100% CPU forever.

But yeah, it could be that a PREVIOUS update had trashed XP's ability to do any more updates, so KB925902 was the first "victim".

Cool. I wasn't knocking you at all I hope you know. This is a landmine that a lot of people step on. I wanted to reply though because it was a great illustration of how an update gets blamed for problems it didn't create.


Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
All I know is it won't run any of my real estate software (thank god I didn't upgrade my lap top) and it crashes when I try to start up my MS Flight Simulator X

Other than that I like it.

I'm surprised others didn't chime in here that you must be an incompetent PC owner since you can't get that Real Estate software or MS Flight Sim to work.

That's something that Microsoft's own code won't work.

Sounds like Vista is not backwards compatible at all.

SimX works awesome here, so yea he *might* be an incompetent PC owner. I'm not going to leap to that conclussion without more info though. That would be sort of like taking his post and leaping to the conclussion that "vista is not backward compatible at all" :roll:

I renew the previous delcaration of Shenanigans on this whole thread of yours dcowen. It's sad that you keep editing the orignal post as people come in here and discredit it a piece at a time.
 

dmcowen674

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Where are the guys that ragged all over me now???

You guys said this wasn't going to happen.

4-12-2007 The End is Nigh for XP

"Computer makers have been told they'll no longer be able to get Windows XP OEM by the end of this year", despite strong ongoing demand for the OS.

Analysts and computer makers are wondering if the move is premature given Vista's ongoing performance and compatibility issues.

Dell recently said it would reintroduce XP on a range of machines due to customer demand but Microsoft will only allow this until the end of the year."

4-12-2007 Microsoft announces end of XP this year



 

juktar

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Where are the guys that ragged all over me now???

You guys said this wasn't going to happen.

4-12-2007 The End is Nigh for XP

"Computer makers have been told they'll no longer be able to get Windows XP OEM by the end of this year", despite strong ongoing demand for the OS.

Analysts and computer makers are wondering if the move is premature given Vista's ongoing performance and compatibility issues.

Dell recently said it would reintroduce XP on a range of machines due to customer demand but Microsoft will only allow this until the end of the year."

4-12-2007 Microsoft announces end of XP this year

And what is wrong with telling people they can't buy the new OS after the end of this year. How is this news? The same things has happened before, and it will happen again. Get over your Vista problem man... I would go talk to someone about this. It is pretty scary when it becomes an obsession.
 

InlineFive

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Obviously they will stop distributing it but that doesn't mean that the support period is over. Give it a rest.
 

Pabster

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And the master of making a mountain out of a mole hill sticks his head up again.

XP will be supported for several years yet. There's a big difference between not being able to get it loaded on your new Dell from the factory and it not being supported.
 

nerp

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Looks like people are too lazy/stupid to actually read the product life cycle information on Microsoft's website.
 

jlbenedict

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This is the way its always been.. from Windows 3.11 -> 95 -> 98 - XP and now -> Vista.

You will still be able to purchase Windows XP from retailers/online that sell software.
Computer manufacturers always go with the latest & greatest.

Windows XP is still available and will be for some time to come. I think people are confusing this with the term "end of lifecycle" and XP is a long way from that.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: jlbenedict
I think people are confusing this with the term "end of lifecycle" and XP is a long way from that.

Dave isn't confused, he's purposely distorting facts and twisting away to make people believe Microsoft is cramming Vista down everyone's throat.

 

Sunner

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In other shocking news, yesterday's newspaper is no longer being sold, in favor of the more up to date Today's Edition.
 

stash

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Could you possibly stop changing your post title and original post every 20 seconds?

Where did anyone say that XP would continue to be available for sale for any considerable length of time after Vista's release? I certainly never said that. What I have said is that XP will be supported until around 2014.

There isn't a lot of software out there that can say they offer that length of support.
 

Markbnj

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Originally posted by: stash
Could you possibly stop changing your post title and original post every 20 seconds?

Where did anyone say that XP would continue to be available for sale for any considerable length of time after Vista's release? I certainly never said that. What I have said is that XP will be supported until around 2014.

There isn't a lot of software out there that can say they offer that length of support.

QFT. Most forums put a time limit on edits.
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: Smilin
I renew the previous delcaration of Shenanigans on this whole thread of yours dcowen. It's sad that you keep editing the orignal post as people come in here and discredit it a piece at a time.


You did it again. Got discredited and are now switching topics again.


What is your point anyway?

NEWSFLASH: Ford Motor Company has announced that it will stop manufacturing all 2007 models as it begins the 2008 model year!!!

dmcowen675 was heard saying, "OMFG. This wasn't supposed to happen! Ford is abusing us!"

 

Smilin

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12 people just came in and slammed dmcowen674 in under an hour.

I foresee a new topic change about to happen again.
 

RebateMonger

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Originally posted by: Smilin
You did it again. Got discredited and are now switching topics again.
At this rate, my grandchildren will be reading this same post, but it'll be titled:
"Micro$oft forcing Windows 2050 down our throats! Make Windows 2040 public domain!"
 
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Originally posted by: Smilin

12 people just came in and slammed dmcowen674 in under an hour.

I foresee a new topic change about to happen again.

That's slow. Imagine if he'd posted this in Off-Topic ... we'd have 12 pages. :D

- M4H
 

Harvey

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There are plenty of problems with Vista, as there have been with every new version of Windows Microsoft has released through their entire history, and there is no reason to believe they will be resolved any time soon.

For those whose system is running well and who need to keep that machine running to earn a living, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." is far more important than a bloated animated index/menu system.

My basic rule is not to adopt ANY new Microsoft OS for at least two years after its release, at least without a STRONG business motivation to run it. If I got a legal copy, I'd load it up on a different drive and play with it long enough to tweak it and feel comfortable with it before adopting it as my main OS.

Until then, it took me long enough to get XP Pro tamed to run everything I use, and I have no incentive to rush into a new setup, let alone squander a couple hundred bucks for an OS that gains me nothing.
 

juktar

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Originally posted by: Harvey
There are plenty of problems with Vista, as there have been with every new version of Windows Microsoft has released through their entire history, and there is no reason to believe they will be resolved any time soon.

For those whose system is running well and who need to keep that machine running to earn a living, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." is far more important than a bloated animated index/menu system.

My basic rule is not to adopt ANY new Microsoft OS for at least two years after its release, at least without a STRONG business motivation to run it. If I got a legal copy, I'd load it up on a different drive and play with it long enough to tweak it and feel comfortable with it before adopting it as my main OS.

Until then, it took me long enough to get XP Pro tamed to run everything I use, and I have no incentive to rush into a new setup, let alone squander a couple hundred bucks for an OS that gains me nothing.

I keep hearing that the only improvement to Vista is the theme they use...

You couldn't be more wrong.

however, I agree that you use what is comfortable for you. But you can not stop change, only stall it for a while.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: juktar
however, I agree that you use what is comfortable for you. But you can not stop change, only stall it for a while.
Like until it's been debugged by all the early adopters, and it works at least as well as what's running very well for me, right now.

Show me a job that pays me well to use Vista, and I'm there. Until then, I've got far better uses for $200 than installing a resource hog and and jackoff light show and having to wait at least a year for Microsoft to figure out how it really should have worked on first release.
 

Arkaign

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Originally posted by: juktar
Originally posted by: Harvey
There are plenty of problems with Vista, as there have been with every new version of Windows Microsoft has released through their entire history, and there is no reason to believe they will be resolved any time soon.

For those whose system is running well and who need to keep that machine running to earn a living, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." is far more important than a bloated animated index/menu system.

My basic rule is not to adopt ANY new Microsoft OS for at least two years after its release, at least without a STRONG business motivation to run it. If I got a legal copy, I'd load it up on a different drive and play with it long enough to tweak it and feel comfortable with it before adopting it as my main OS.

Until then, it took me long enough to get XP Pro tamed to run everything I use, and I have no incentive to rush into a new setup, let alone squander a couple hundred bucks for an OS that gains me nothing.

I keep hearing that the only improvement to Vista is the theme they use...

You couldn't be more wrong.

however, I agree that you use what is comfortable for you. But you can not stop change, only stall it for a while.

Well, I haven't seen much compelling about Vista for general users.

Search? That's pretty much only useful if you have no idea where you put something on your drive. I have a clean folder system, and haven't had to use 'search' on my PC in about a decade.

Security? I haven't had a virus or spyware infection since CIH, and I use decent 3rd party software (Trend, and more recently, Panda) for protection, along with common sense about what web sites I go to, and what attachments I open. Not to mention I couldn't care less if someone hacked me, they'd be hacking the most boring PCs on earth.

Performance? I get better results on my 3ghz C2D w/4gb of DDR2 on my tuned XP install.

DX10? This may be the turning point, as they aren't supporting DX10 for XP, so I may have to start booting into Vista more often. Then again, maybe not, I've sort of outgrown gaming, maybe play for 30 minutes every 6 months or so.

Interface? Move things around, hide things, etc .. change for the sake of change, not for any other discernible purpose. I've yet to hear any customer of mine say they liked Vista yet, and one of the main reasons is "Where the hell did THAT go?". It's like a shell game.

As far as pulling XP from OEM PC Manufacturers, that's a given, although I think if you gave customers a choice, a surprisingly large number of people would choose XP (I've had 30 or so people bring me Vista-loaded HPs, Compaqs, Dells, etc asking for XP) over Vista. This would be an unacceptable public humiliation to Microsoft, so they aren't going to risk it, hence telling Dell to yank it, even though customers STILL want it.

For my uses, browse internet, download files, do remote support, etc, of all the Vista builds all the way back from early Longhorn stuff .. haven't had anything jump out at me as much of an improvement.

For those that do like it, and need the new features, good for them.

To each his own ;)
 

Skeeedunt

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Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: Smilin
I renew the previous delcaration of Shenanigans on this whole thread of yours dcowen. It's sad that you keep editing the orignal post as people come in here and discredit it a piece at a time.


You did it again. Got discredited and are now switching topics again.

Someone's never been to P&N :laugh: He always does this, probably just to annoy the hell out of everyone.
 

hasu

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Do I have any right to accuse Microsoft for what they are doing? Those who blame Microsoft solely depend on Microsoft for software needs. If you look further you will find more options. Come out of the well and you will see that the world is much bigger and beautiful!