5900XT Runs FarCry on VERY HIGH!!!

[gwag]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: gwag
I ordered a 5700xt refurb from newegg and it shows up as a 5950U should I send it back? seetings are indeed 475 950, but has 128M ram?

There are no 128MB 5950Us, why would you think newegg sent you a 5950? Post a picture of it. 5950s have pretty distinctive HSFs, and 256MB of RAM.

I know there is no 128M 5950 but mine shows up as one I guess it was flashed?
speed,size the card looks like a 5700xt?and I am sure is one but it shows up as a 5950 I cant see the bios identifing it goes to fast or doesn't have one?(could always see my 4200ti) my system is only an 1833 tbred but it benched: 5612 3dmark2003, 38,798 aquamarks.
has no arti-facts can be overclocked to 515 1020 O.K.?

my only question is why someone would send it back or maybe they reburished it that way?

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
***Official*** ***Confirmed*** This thread is useless.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

dude once i get a better heatsink my card will blow the 9800pro away

For the cost of a better heatsink and a 5xxx card, the 9800 Pro would be cheaper and still destroy your card.

It's really baffling how the FX series sold at all, given its utterly abysmal performance for the majority of its time. In the last few months it's made gains, but not enough, and with the release of the new generation it hardly matters now anyway.

Buy an x800 XT, then brag about your card.

You should stop trolling and put your brain into gear for once in your life. The 5xxx range doesn't have *abysmal* performance, okay my msi 5900xt doesn't offer anywhere near the performance of my msi 6800gt but it did offer performance close to my 9800pro. I bet you have not even owned a video card from the 5xxx range so imo your just talking out of your arse yet again.

Why would anyone brag about owning a x800 XT which uses such old technology?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Rollo
I've got a Gainward GF3 on the shelf, are any of you jealous of it?!?!?!

Jealous? Most certainly not! I've a Gainward GF3 Ti 200!
Let the jealousy ensue.

Please Avalon, PLEAAAASE!

I will trade you my GF3, my 6800NU, my son's 5800U, and throw in $500 for that Ti200! I cannot stand the horrible jealousy!

Last night, I wanted to make love to my wife, and.....sniff...sob...I couldn't! She asked why, all I could do is mumble,"Avalon has a Ti200, and I don't!" before slinking off to find solace in bourbon.

End my torture, please!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: gwag

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: gwag
I ordered a 5700xt refurb from newegg and it shows up as a 5950U should I send it back? seetings are indeed 475 950, but has 128M ram?

There are no 128MB 5950Us, why would you think newegg sent you a 5950? Post a picture of it. 5950s have pretty distinctive HSFs, and 256MB of RAM.

I know there is no 128M 5950 but mine shows up as one I guess it was flashed?
speed,size the card looks like a 5700xt?and I am sure is one but it shows up as a 5950 I cant see the bios identifing it goes to fast or doesn't have one?(could always see my 4200ti) my system is only an 1833 tbred but it benched: 5612 3dmark2003, 38,798 aquamarks.
has no arti-facts can be overclocked to 515 1020 O.K.?

my only question is why someone would send it back or maybe they reburished it that way?

I would get rid of that card like it was coated with flesh eating virus. Putting a 5950 bios on a 2 pipeline, 128MB mem interface card does not a 5950 make.

Out of curiosity, what are you paying for this? A guy at nVnews has a 9700P for sale for $115, and that would be a lot better than any 5700 anything?
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32291

 

[gwag]

Thanks for your reply. it has 4 piplines all XTs do, the Keep in mind; both the 5900XT and 5950 Ultra are based on the NV35 architecture, so an overclocked 5900XT can give the same performance, or better, than the 5950 Ultra in terms of raw GPU processing power. The 5900XT card is still saddled with only 128MB of DDR memory so it seems is only -128M ram no big deal for me or anyone really I would have bought a radeon but I hat ATI drivers I know the performance is better. I ordered it on a company card I do consulting work for so it cost me about an hour of my time and no taxes so I think i will keep it beats my 4200ti.

whole topic is my bad "and that would be a lot better than any 5700 anything?" I just realized I said 5700xt I meant 5900xt.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

The 5xxx range doesn't have *abysmal* performance, okay my msi 5900xt doesn't offer anywhere near the performance of my msi 6800gt but it did offer performance close to my 9800pro.

Right, and it took a year or driver revisions and IQ slashes to reach where it is today, still in 2nd place.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0703/itogi-video-un2-w2k-aaa-p41024.html

Did you like your 5xxx performance last July?

Why would anyone brag about owning a x800 XT which uses such old technology?

Probably because it blazes by your awesome, new, mind blowing GT? Welcome to the world of mediocrity, at least on this forum anyway.

 

[nRollo]

whole topic is my bad "and that would be a lot better than any 5700 anything?" I just realized I said 5700xt I meant 5900xt.

You had me most confused with the 5700XT flashed to 5950 thing, but it's pretty common to try and flash any and all 5900s upward. I would be most amazed if the memory runs well that far above spec though?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

The 5xxx range doesn't have *abysmal* performance, okay my msi 5900xt doesn't offer anywhere near the performance of my msi 6800gt but it did offer performance close to my 9800pro.

Right, and it took a year or driver revisions and IQ slashes to reach where it is today, still in 2nd place.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/digest3d/0703/itogi-video-un2-w2k-aaa-p41024.html

Did you like your 5xxx performance last July?

Why would anyone brag about owning a x800 XT which uses such old technology?

Probably because it blazes by your awesome, new, mind blowing GT? Welcome to the world of mediocrity, at least on this forum anyway.

I don't know General. I'd rather have a 6800GT than a X800 anything. He's going to see what Far Cry looks like with HDR, you'll have to rely on screenshots?

He gets to run Far Cry in SM3, you do not. IMO, it's cooler to run SM3 even if it is a little slower. Your card is this gen's V5 6K, a relic that has processing power slapped on to make it competitive with new and innovative technology.

Having this gen's V5 6K is not "all that and a bag of chips" GG.

I personally don't know what the heck to do.

On one hand, I don't have any problems with the 6800NU.

On the other, I'd like to have a GT/U/UE, but wonder where the value of them is headed with PCIe upcoming.

On the other, I want to see what the cost of sli is going to be.

On the other, I upgrade my motherboard every year and may want PCIe this year, and not want to have an AGP card at all.

It is tough times to be a gamer.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

He gets to run Far Cry in SM3, you do not. IMO, it's cooler to run SM3 even if it is a little slower.

It's not a little slower, its a lot slower. Though I guess if you only play in the volcano, the XT is only 14% faster. Want to play the rest of the game on a GT? Be prepared to lose up to 33% of your framerate, probably more when HDR is used. None of this has anything to do with raw speed anyway, which is what I was talking about.

If HDR is worth having to give up AA/AF to maintain playable framerates, I'll play farcry on my GT. There are a lot of options this generation, and we have the advantage on being able to pick any of them and not losing out a whole lot compared to any other choice. If you lose out at all.

On the other, I'd like to have a GT/U/UE, but wonder where the value of them is headed with PCIe upcoming.

My guess is the rarity of the 6800 UE and XTPE will hold them higher than the rest of the cards.

 

[nRollo]

General:
I wasn't aware you had a 6800GT? Do you have two high end gaming boxes?

If so, I have to admit you have the best of both worlds.

(but I'm still not impressed with the X800 line- like I said, I'll be damned if I give ATI $400 for the R300 core three years in a row)

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Rollo
I've got a Gainward GF3 on the shelf, are any of you jealous of it?!?!?!

Jealous? Most certainly not! I've a Gainward GF3 Ti 200!
Let the jealousy ensue.

Please Avalon, PLEAAAASE!

I will trade you my GF3, my 6800NU, my son's 5800U, and throw in $500 for that Ti200! I cannot stand the horrible jealousy!

Last night, I wanted to make love to my wife, and.....sniff...sob...I couldn't! She asked why, all I could do is mumble,"Avalon has a Ti200, and I don't!" before slinking off to find solace in bourbon.

End my torture, please!

You strike a hard bargain...

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Just 2 high end cards. I put the GT in my rig and I have the XT in my dad's superior athlon 64 rig.

In anycase, I bought it at compusa during that deal primarily to resell it and make a profit. Though after seeing the XTPE go for $700 on ebay, I'm not sure which card to sell anymore.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: chsh1ca
I'll see your GF3Ti200 with an ATI Rage Fury Maxx and a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP. I'm sure I've also got a 512k trident card sitting around here somewhere.

See your cards, and raise you an original Voodoo1 4MB with box and games.

- M4H

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
Just 2 high end cards. I put the GT in my rig and I have the XT in my dad's superior athlon 64 rig.

In anycase, I bought it at compusa during that deal primarily to resell it and make a profit. Though after seeing the XTPE go for $700 on ebay, I'm not sure which card to sell anymore.

You own 2 video cards but no computers?! You do indeed have an unusual arrangement going on, but I suppose if your dad buys good computers and lets you use them as you see fit, that is a good deal.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

You own 2 video cards but no computers?! You do indeed have an unusual arrangement going on, but I suppose if your dad buys good computers and lets you use them as you see fit, that is a good deal.

Lol, no. I phrased that badly. I have 2 high end cards, but only 1 computer (a barton 2.2 ghz). Because of cpu limitation issues, I stuck the XTPE in my dads Athlon 64 rig (which he uses for business a lot, but I can play on it when he's not using it). It really helps in Unreal Tournament. I really wish I had an Athlon 64 rig, but I can't afford one right now, and I need to save up for school next year.

 

[CaiNaM]

I don't know General. I'd rather have a 6800GT than a X800 anything. He's going to see what Far Cry looks like with HDR, you'll have to rely on screenshots?

at the expense of giving up AA? no thanks...

He gets to run Far Cry in SM3, you do not. IMO, it's cooler to run SM3 even if it is a little slower. Your card is this gen's V5 6K, a relic that has processing power slapped on to make it competitive with new and innovative technology.

not that there is certainly fanboy talk... it's somehow advantageous to run sm3 even tho there's no visual benefit over sm2 - but at least it runs slower? why not just keep the 5800u and leave it at sm1 settings then?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

I don't know General. I'd rather have a 6800GT than a X800 anything. He's going to see what Far Cry looks like with HDR, you'll have to rely on screenshots?

at the expense of giving up AA? no thanks...

He gets to run Far Cry in SM3, you do not. IMO, it's cooler to run SM3 even if it is a little slower. Your card is this gen's V5 6K, a relic that has processing power slapped on to make it competitive with new and innovative technology.

not that there is certainly fanboy talk... it's somehow advantageous to run sm3 even tho there's no visual benefit over sm2 - but at least it runs slower? why not just keep the 5800u and leave it at sm1 settings then?

I don't know Cainam, not fan boy talk IMO. http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040705/farcry-05.html#level_research

If the 6800GT is at 58fps at 12X10 4X8X, and the X800XT PE is at 63fps at the same settings, what's the difference? (BTW - I consider this about optimal settings for these cards- the 16X12 4X8X scores reported here drop a little low for my taste)
Why wouldn't you want to be running cool new tech and helping establish a user base for developers to code for?

The card is a $100 cheaper MSRP, and a lot easier to find as well.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

I don't know General. I'd rather have a 6800GT than a X800 anything. He's going to see what Far Cry looks like with HDR, you'll have to rely on screenshots?

at the expense of giving up AA? no thanks...

He gets to run Far Cry in SM3, you do not. IMO, it's cooler to run SM3 even if it is a little slower. Your card is this gen's V5 6K, a relic that has processing power slapped on to make it competitive with new and innovative technology.

not that there is certainly fanboy talk... it's somehow advantageous to run sm3 even tho there's no visual benefit over sm2 - but at least it runs slower? why not just keep the 5800u and leave it at sm1 settings then?

I don't know Cainam, not fan boy talk IMO. http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040705/farcry-05.html#level_research

If the 6800GT is at 58fps at 12X10 4X8X, and the X800XT PE is at 63fps at the same settings, what's the difference? (BTW - I consider this about optimal settings for these cards- the 16X12 4X8X scores reported here drop a little low for my taste)
Why wouldn't you want to be running cool new tech and helping establish a user base for developers to code for?

The card is a $100 cheaper MSRP, and a lot easier to find as well.

well, i can't argue that it's cheaper and easier to find (well, i could, but it's not an argument that would make much sense.. ), and i am certainly not a proponent of saying it's worth the extra c-note. i was simply replying to your particular statement about choosing a slower card simply because it has featrues which really doesn't offer much...

imo, running hdr (actually mdr) lighting at the expense of giving up AA simply does not seem like a good trade-off. imo you're not really missing anything until cards come out that will have enough power to handle both - pretty similar to your saying last gen sm2 will be more important to you THIS gen when cards are powerful enough to run them w/o compromising something else....

 

[Zebo]

General I can't believe you bought a GT after the XT when you should have spent on a AMD...64.

If I were you I'd grab a 3000+ and a Epox board..less than you paid for GT...which you did'nt need... and slam it to 2.5 with ease....to make gaming a breeze.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

General I can't believe you bought a GT after the XT when you should have spent on a AMD...64.

Heh, I only bought the GT to ebay it. I'll sell it soon for $100 profit or so.

If the 6800GT is at 58fps at 12X10 4X8X, and the X800XT PE is at 63fps at the same settings, what's the difference? (BTW - I consider this about optimal settings for these cards- the 16X12 4X8X scores reported here drop a little low for my taste)

Do you really think Nvidia chosen areas of the game are reflective of the entire experience?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=6

In these 2 randomly chosen areas, the GT gets crushed by 46% and 43%. I'd say these are closer to the actual difference between the GT and the XT in this game.

I also question tom's moronic 4x/4x test setting, especially since ATI cards are practically designed around 8x or 16x AF. So much for their ATI bias.

You might be more interested in the 6800 series due to its newness, but they simply can't match the XT in raw speed.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous

General I can't believe you bought a GT after the XT when you should have spent on a AMD...64.

Heh, I only bought the GT to ebay it. I'll sell it soon for $100 profit or so.

If the 6800GT is at 58fps at 12X10 4X8X, and the X800XT PE is at 63fps at the same settings, what's the difference? (BTW - I consider this about optimal settings for these cards- the 16X12 4X8X scores reported here drop a little low for my taste)

Do you really think Nvidia chosen areas of the game are reflective of the entire experience?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=6

In these 2 randomly chosen areas, the GT gets crushed by 46% and 43%. I'd say these are closer to the actual difference between the GT and the XT in this game.

I also question tom's moronic 4x/4x test setting, especially since ATI cards are practically designed around 8x or 16x AF. So much for their ATI bias.

You might be more interested in the 6800 series due to its newness, but they simply can't match the XT in raw speed.

Nice, you only bought the GT so you can turn around and gouge someone. Not liking your true colors dude. And when your GT "cough" breaks, as you put it, you would RMA without a hitch. This has class act written all over it.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
It's really baffling how the FX series sold at all, given its utterly abysmal performance for the majority of its time. In the last few months it's made gains, but not enough, and with the release of the new generation it hardly matters now anyway.

GF FX series == P4 Celeron of it's time.

The reason that it sold at all, was ... "But dude! It supports DX9.0!".. even though none of the games at the time supported it, and it was slower than older cards, on those same games.

Kind of like desktop P4s with HT too. Same or slower speed than non-HT chips.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: Avalon

Originally posted by: Rollo
I've got a Gainward GF3 on the shelf, are any of you jealous of it?!?!?!

Jealous? Most certainly not! I've a Gainward GF3 Ti 200!
Let the jealousy ensue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the original GF3 model was faster than the later lower-end Ti model, wasn't it? Whereas the Ti 500 had similarly-clocked mem, but slightly faster core? I don't remember the exact numbers, it's been a while.

I wonder how those stack up against a Radeon 9200 (non-SE), at default clocks? One good thing though, no additional GPU fan noises.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: GeneralGrievous
It's really baffling how the FX series sold at all, given its utterly abysmal performance for the majority of its time. In the last few months it's made gains, but not enough, and with the release of the new generation it hardly matters now anyway.

GF FX series == P4 Celeron of it's time.

The reason that it sold at all, was ... "But dude! It supports DX9.0!".. even though none of the games at the time supported it, and it was slower than older cards, on those same games.

Kind of like desktop P4s with HT too. Same or slower speed than non-HT chips.

Total BS. These cards overclock so much the make up any advantage the 9800pro/xt had and trump it all things being equal. Trust me I have both. But anand wrote an atricle about it somewhere someone might remember.

5900XT Runs FarCry on VERY HIGH!!!
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In OPENGL it will just fine on very high...problem is it's not very high